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Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 - 5:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He was wrong. He was also right. I was surprised when I found this out.
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Was a sport or physical challenge involved?
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DYOD of "sport" or "physical challenge" - I'd be inclined to say no, but the people involved might have said yes, so...Yope?
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True story? FYOI? FSEI?
I = you, Kaylee?
He #1 = He #2 = H/A/M?

Is he a famous person? someone you know? someone on the LTPF?
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True story? yes FYOI? FSEI?
I = you, Kaylee? yes
He #1 = He #2 = H/A/M? yes

Is he a famous person? someone you know? someone on the LTPF? no, yes, and no, respectively
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Is he a relative of yours? friend? acquaintance? classmate? teacher?

Was he right and wrong about the same thing?
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Is he a relative of yours? thisfriend? acquaintance? classmate? teacher?

Was he right and wrong about the same thing? yes
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Was a game involved? A competition? A challenge of some kind? Something that was won by someone or a group of people?

Were you surprised because you had thought he was only right? That he was only wrong? That he could be one or the other but not both?
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Was a game involved? no A competition? of a sort A challenge of some kind? you may call it this Something that was won by someone or a group of people? YES.

Were you surprised because you had thought he was only right? That he was only wrong? Yes That he could be one or the other but not both? Yes
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Was a bet involved?

Was the thing won by one person? A group of people? Was it lost by one person? More?

Did the 'he' of the puzzle statement win? Lose? Observe the challengy-thing without being involved? Was it a statement that he made which was both wrong and right? Was the way in which he was wrong and right connected to who won? Was it by his saying this thing that the challengy-thing was won and lost?

Was he right and wrong in the sense of being factually correct and incorrect? Morally right/wrong? Was he right and wrong at the same moment? Was he half right and half wrong? Right about a part and wrong about another part? Would some people claim he was wholly right, and others that he was wholly wrong?
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Was a bet involved? No

Was the thing won by one person? A group of people? this Was it lost by one person? More? Yes

Did the 'he' of the puzzle statement win? Lose? FA Observe the challengy-thing without being involved? FA Was it a statement that he made which was both wrong and right? Yes Was the way in which he was wrong and right connected to who won? YesWas it by his saying this thing that the challengy-thing was won and lost? no - that happened nearly a thousand years ago; what is done, is done

Was he right and wrong in the sense of being factually correct and incorrect? thisMorally right/wrong? Was he right and wrong at the same moment? yes Was he half right and half wrong? yes Right about a part and wrong about another part? yes Would some people claim he was wholly right, and others that he was wholly wrong?

only if they knew what he was talking about - most people probably couldn't care less
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Was it a war? Were the winning and losing groups armies? Countries? Parts of a country?

Did he say 'x won'? 'y lost'? Is there a clear cut answer as to who won? As to whether anyone won?
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Was it a war? there was a war, yes Were the winning and losing groups armies? yesCountries? Yes/noParts of a country? no/yes (to be clear - one country was invaded by part of another one)

Did he say 'x won'? 'y lost'? oh no, it's quite common knowledge who won and lost. Is there a clear cut answer as to who won? As to whether anyone won? Yes to both - the Normans certainly won. Who won the war wasn't the issue at hand...
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The title is *We* are the Champions for a very specific reason...
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Is the Battle of Hastings relevant? The Normans conquering England more generally?

Was the issue to do with how the Normans won? A specific event in the war? Whether or not a certain fact is true?

Were the FAs in your answers a couple of posts up just because 'he' lived long after the events he was talking about? Or is there more to them?
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Is the Battle of Hastings relevant? The Normans conquering England more generally? this

Was the issue to do with how the Normans won? A specific event in the war? Whether or not a certain fact is true? this.

Were the FAs in your answers a couple of posts up just because 'he' my dad, by the way lived long after the events he was talking about? yesOr is there more to them? If the Normans had come to England in 1066 and settled there without fighting anyone, so long as one condition was met, this puzzle would still work.
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Is a particular person or persons involved in the Norman conquest relevant? Is the effect it had on England relevant? The English language?
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Is a particular person or persons involved in the Norman conquest relevant? in a manner of speaking, though I couldn't say how many. Could be one person, could be a group. No one famous, so far as I know, but... Is the effect it had on England relevant? The English language? not particularly for either
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Were the reasons for the conquest involved? The reaction in England?
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Were the reasons for the conquest involved? The reaction in England? Hm...were they involved in the thing my dad believed? No. The thing he said was about a person, or persons, who came over with William the Conqueror from Normandy, and the ancestors of that person/persons.
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May I use my personal knowledge of your family to ask a couple questions?
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you may indeed =)
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Your family has some Norman heritage, correct? Is this relevant?

I know that your father once told you, regarding your heritage, "We are champions". Is this the statement you are referring to as being both right and wrong?
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Your family has some Norman heritage, correct? Is this relevant? Yes, and yes

I know that your father once told you, regarding your heritage, "We are champions". he did indeed, though sometimes there's more to it, and this is extremely relevant. Is this the statement you are referring to as being both right and wrong? Yope
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Does he imply or directly state something relevant about your personal characteristics? About your property? About your personal history? About your family history? About something else?
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Does he imply or directly state something relevant about your personal characteristics? Yesish About your property? No About your personal history? no About your family ancestral, at any rate history? yes About something else? Close enough for a restatement of the puzzle statement:

He was right about our family name. He was wrong about our family name.
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Same family name?

Did he state that it was Norman in origin? Is this because of their conquest of England?
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Same family name? Yes...ish

Did he state that it was Norman in origin? Yes Is this because of their conquest of England? Yes
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Did the name change? Is this relevant to the puzzle?
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Did the name change? Yes Is this relevant to the puzzle? Yes
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Did your father know that the name had changed?

If so, was the reason for the name change the part he got right? The part he got wrong?
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Did your father know that the name had changed? No

If so, was the reason for the name change the part he got right? The part he got wrong? n/a
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Did your father claim that the name had not changed? If so, is he right about the name's origins but wrong about the fact that it had not changed?
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Did your father claim that the name had not changed? One might infer this, though not specifically If so, is he right about the name's origins he is both right and wrong about them but wrong about the fact that it had not changed? laeftr
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laeftr?
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if I understand the definition given by (I think) woubit, this acronym - for"left as an exercise for the reader" - means, "judging by the answer to your previous question, not applicable"
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I am not sure of the best way to ask what I want to ask

Did the last name exist among the Normans before the conquest of England? Among the English?
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Did the last name exist among the Normans before the conquest of England? Yes Among the English? Hmm...Not the English...
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Another group then?
-European?
-Asian?
-African?
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Another group then?
-European? yes, technically. No to rest
-Asian?
-African?
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*randomly begins guessing European countries in no particular order*

Italy? France? Spain? Greece? Germany? *randomly stops for a moment*

Is it a country that is governed by a European country but is located elsewhere? Is it a country in the European area that is governed by a country on another continent? Is it a country that is now considered European that was not always considered so? Vice versa? I'm curious as to what "technically" means in this context.
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*randomly begins guessing European countries in no particular order*

Italy? France? Spain? Greece? Germany? *randomly stops for a moment* no to all

Is it a country that is governed by a European country but is located elsewhere? \b {hard to answer, lol} Is it a country in the European area that is governed by a country on another continent? No. Is it a country that is now considered European that was not always considered so? Vice versa? I'm curious as to what "technically" means in this context. It means, it's an island, not on the mainland. xD
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Oh. Ok.

So, *consults Google due to terrible geographical memory*:
-British Isles?
-Danish islands?
-Estonian?
-Swedish?

I'll wait to see if it's one of these before continuing
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Oh. Ok.

So, *consults Google due to terrible geographical memory*:
-British Isles? This.
-Danish islands?
-Estonian?
-Swedish?

I'll wait to see if it's one of these before continuing
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Pick any that apply:
Great Britain
Ireland
The Channel Islands (Jersey, Guernsey and others)
The Isle of Man
The Orkney Islands
Lundy Island
The Shetland Islands
The Hebrides
The Isles of Scilly
The Isle of Wight
Anglesey (Welsh: Ynys Mon)
Achill Island
Aran Islands
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Great Britain Scotland more than England, at first, but mostly...
Ireland chiefly here, after the first friendly visit by the neighbourhood Vikings (ha...chiefly...)
The Channel Islands (Jersey, Guernsey and others)
The Isle of Man probably here
The Orkney Islands
Lundy Island
The Shetland Islands
The Hebrides
The Isles of Scilly
The Isle of Wight
Anglesey (Welsh: Ynys Monand maybe in Wales, here and main)
Achill Island
Aran Islands

but Ireland is what I was aiming for.
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Was the name in existence in Ireland before the Norman conquest of England? Relevant?
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Was the name in its earliest form in existence in Ireland before the Norman conquest of England? Relevant? Yes, and yes.
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So, your father was wrong about the name's earliest origins but right about its association with William the Conqueror?
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So, your father was wrong about the name's earliest origins but right about its association with William the Conqueror?
More or less. That will do for a

***SPOILER***

The surname "Nield" does, in its earliest incarnation - the Gaelic "Niadh" which was a baptismal name - in fact mean "champion". In the 9th century, Norse (Viking) invaders came to the British Isles, and though they hied themselves right back to Scandinavia for the time being, they took the name - "Njall" to them - back with them. Norsemen/Vikings being a particularly violent lot, or so I heard, they then tried invading France.

France, instead of telling them to piss off, told them, "All right, you can stay - so long as you don't overrun *everything*." So they got a piece of land called "Normandy" and hung around for a while.

In the late eleventh century, William II, Duke of Normandy, figured he'd try again. This time, he landed in England, where he had an arguably legitimate claim to the throne, and the Battle of Hastings ensued.

He won, and brought his fellow Norman French with him. (Not all of them, of course.)

Some of these bore the surname Nigel - the Norman French version of the name - while in Ireland it had become Neill or O'Neill (son of Neill), borne by the Irish High Kings. In England, it was Nigel (Latinised Nigellus, as in Phineas Nigellus of the Most Noble and Ancient House of Black...that explains the French motto!) and then as English spelling wasn't standardised for a while yet, went through Neald, Neeld, Neild and so on, before our branch was settled with Nield.

We are the champions, my friends...

=D

Kudos to Ciaobella and Enjay for soldiering through to the answer. Doriana, Dave, well done too. Cheezburgerz all round. =)

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