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Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 12:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When they posted the $poiler, everything was fine.

[has nothing to do with the LTPF, aside from enthusiastic participation at same...]
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Posted: on a forum? On the internet? On a wall? In a paper? In the mail? $poiler: to a story? Puzzle? Movie?
Was everything not fine before? Did they post the $poiler in order to make it fine? Was someone worried?
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Posted: on a forum? On the internet? On a wall? this, and elsewhere In a paper? In the mail? $poiler: to a story? Puzzle? Movie? none of these... the "$poiler" is unconventional, and, we hope, rather "lateral"
Was everything not fine before? indeed Did they post the $poiler in order to make it fine? yes Was someone worried? vexed and frustrated, at least -- and likely also worried
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Is a riddle relevant? A mystery? The sort of weird ad campaign where you don't get to know what's being advertised?
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Is a riddle relevant? not this... A mystery? ...but this The sort of weird ad campaign where you don't get to know what's being advertised? oh, my sheltered life: I have no idea to what you're referring... so: no
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A criminal mystery? A prank? A joke? A play?
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A criminal mystery? A prank? A joke? A play? none of these
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Did the people who posted the $poiler create the mystery? Was the mystery intended to vex and frustrate anyone? Encryption relevant? Any ad campaign at all relevant?
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Did the people who posted the $poiler create the mystery? no Was the mystery intended no to vex and frustrate anyone? no Encryption relevant? no Any ad campaign at all relevant? no
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Did the people solve the riddle? Solve the riddle first? Did they intend to vex and frustrate? Did they post the $poiler in order to help anyone? Hurt anyone? Cause trouble? Avoid trouble? Are their motivaitons for posting it important? Relevant how many people were vexed and frustrated?
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Did the people solve the riddle? let's call it a vexing conundrum -- and yes, they solved it Solve the riddle first? uh, no Did they intend to vex and frustrate? the $poiler posters were vexed and frustrated... Did they post the $poiler in order to help anyone? to help themselves Hurt anyone? Cause trouble? Avoid trouble? no to these others Are their motivations for posting it important? to them, and perhaps others, extremely important Relevant how many people were vexed and frustrated? no; a small immediate group, but possibly also many others... had they never posted the $poiler...
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"$poiler": something that reveals an ending or a plot twist? Is this a real-life $poiler?
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"$poiler": something that reveals an ending or a plot twist? not this time Is this a real-life $poiler? I have to say yes on this one, but with "$poiler" in quotes -- all will be made clear when we arrive at the real-life LTPF $poiler
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Relevant how the conundrum came to be? Was it created by a person? Several persons? A machine? Animals? Is it a problem that needs a solution? Math problems relevant? Disasters? Apollo 13?
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Relevant how the conundrum came to be? yes Was it created by a person? Several persons? yes, but inadvertently, resulting in a mysterious, inexplicable scenario A machine? Animals? Is it a problem that needs a solution? yes Math problems relevant? Disasters? Apollo 13? none of these -- but the title is relevant, of course
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Did something happen that should've been impossible? Did something not happen, that should've happened? Is a machine involved? A computer? Speech relevant? Computer speech?
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Did something happen that should've been impossible? Did something not happen, that should've happened? mostly this, and it was highly implausible and inexplicable Is a machine involved? loosely this; no to the rest A computer? Speech relevant? Computer speech?
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Loosely machine: vehicle? Simple mechanical device? Electricity involved? Water? Gas? Fire? A game of chance? Another game?
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Loosely machine: vehicle? no Simple mechanical device? no Electricity involved? Water? Gas? Fire? A game of chance? Another game? not these; manufacturing is relevant
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Mass manufacturing? Was there a defect in something that was manufactured? Is a tool involved? An instrument? Is the mismanufacture of the Hubble space telescope mirror relevant? Was a measurement made incorrectly?
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Mass manufacturing? Was there a defect in something that was manufactured? this Is a tool involved? An instrument? neither Is the mismanufacture of the Hubble space telescope mirror relevant? no Was a measurement made incorrectly? all specs were correctly applied, and yet: the conundrum
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Was the thing made from: glass? Plastic? Wood? Ceramics? Leather? Fabric? Fiberglass? Plant fiber? Synthetic fiber? Metal? Silicone? Clay? Paper? Bone? Liquid? Gas? Foodstuff?
Did something unforeseen happen? Was a discovery made as a result? Is a chemical reaction relevant? Was something not taken into account during manufacture? Or taken into account incorrectly?
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Was the thing made from: glass? Plastic? Wood? Ceramics? Leather? Fabric? Fiberglass? Plant fiber? Synthetic fiber? Metal? Silicone? Clay? Paper? Bone? Liquid? Gas? Foodstuff? this
Did something unforeseen happen? yes Was a discovery made as a result? they discovered a vexing conundrum Is a chemical reaction relevant? in a sense... Was something not taken into account during manufacture? no Or taken into account incorrectly? yope...
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Is someone making food? Was the product incorrect in: taste? Smell? Shape? Size? Color? Consistency? Yeast relevant? Did one ingredient change another? Or destroy it? Temperature relevant?
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Is someone making food? yes Was the product incorrect in: taste? mostly this Smell? Shape? Size? Color? Consistency? Yeast relevant? no Did one ingredient change another? Or destroy it? Temperature relevant? no to rest
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Does it taste incorrect to: all people? Some people? Does it taste bad? Is a genetic mutation relevant? Do we need to know the ingredients? The correct taste?
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Does it taste incorrect to: all people? all who know the food Some people? Does it taste bad? tastes "wrong" Is a genetic mutation relevant? Do we need to know the ingredients? The correct taste? no to rest; knowing the type of food will help, though...

Galfisk: I went for a walk in a forest today, and had thought my subconscious could ponder your "Farmland Foliage" - stumped on what to ask - but ended up with a companion, who was gorgeous and captivating, as was her dog, so I was too distracted to contemplate. I'll see what I can do...
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Does it contain: sugar? Grain? Dairy? Poultry? Fish? Meat? Spices? Root vegetables? Leaf vegetables? Fruit? Berries? Other vegetables? Mushrooms? Mold? A relevant bacteria culture?
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Salt? Preservatives? Coloring agents? Acids? Bases? Oils? Nuts? Dried fruit?
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Does it contain: sugar? Grain? Dairy? this Poultry? Fish? Meat? Spices? Root vegetables? Leaf vegetables? Fruit? Berries? Other vegetables? Mushrooms? Mold? A relevant bacteria culture? and this
Salt? and this Preservatives? Coloring agents? and this Acids? Bases? Oils? Nuts? Dried fruit?
should be easy to figure out what food is involved, now...
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Cheese? Youghurt?
Is one ingredient especially relevant? If so: milk? Rennet? Salt? Colorant? Bacteria culture?
Is a specific step in production especially relevant?
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Cheese? this Youghurt?
Is one ingredient especially relevant? If so: milk? Rennet? Salt? Colorant? Bacteria culture? ingredients aren't relevant, but something else is
Is a specific step in production especially relevant? not production steps, but...
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Not production but: storage? Packaging? Transport? Eating?
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Shape of the cheese relevant? Size?
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Was the packaging changed? Was it better sealed? Was hygiene improved?
Did something not get into the cheese, which should have? Did something not go out of the cheese, which should have? did relevant bacteria: die? Not thrive? Change?
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Not production but: storage? Packaging? Transport? Eating? no to all

Shape of the cheese relevant? Size? neither

Was the packaging changed? no Was it better sealed? no Was hygiene improved? yope
Did something not get into the cheese, which should have? yope Did something not go out of the cheese, which should have? did relevant bacteria: die? Not thrive? Change? no to rest
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Was hygiene changed? Was something else changed? Replaced? Cleaning agents relevant? Tools/utensils? Is the person(s) making the cheese directly relevant?
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Was hygiene changed? relevant... Was something else changed? yes Replaced? Cleaning agents relevant? somewhat Tools/utensils? no Is the person(s) making the cheese directly relevant? no
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Hygiene: on hands? Tools? Work surfaces? Containers? Protective equipment relevant? Such as gloves? Does the relevant step take place before production? After? Was the cheese affected by something it wasn't before? Or not affected by something that it was before?
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Hygiene: on hands? Tools? Work surfaces? this Containers? Protective equipment relevant? no Such as gloves?
Does the relevant step take place before production? assume this refers to "hygiene" -- if so, yes, but with a possible FA -- another relevant bit to discover... After? Was the cheese affected by something it wasn't before? OTRT...it's an odd scenario, and not something which is conventional in the commercial manufacture of cheese [a special course of my own study] Or not affected by something that it was before?
in a previous post, you asked if something had been replaced; I missed that, and would say, loosely, yes -- worth exploring
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Was a work surface replaced? Was a relevant material changed to another? Is only one type of cheese relevant?
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Was a work surface replaced? for svv of "replaced," yes - but much more than this Was a relevant material changed to another? something was changed from one thing to another... Is only one type of cheese relevant? no
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Was the work location changed? Was everything replaced?
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Was the work location changed? this Was everything replaced? everything was relocated; nothing relevant was replaced
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Did they move the production facility? Should they have taken something with them, which they did not? Were they in a building before they moved? Type of building relevant? Pollution relevant? Did they move to a building of another type? Is a specific material relevant?
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Did they move the production facility? this Should they have taken something with them, which they did not? they took everything Were they in a building before they moved? yes Type of building relevant? conventional creamery/cheese plant Pollution relevant? no Did they move to a building of another type? same type Is a specific material relevant? yesish
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Lighting relevant? Ventilation? Surroundings? Local flora? Or fauna?
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Lighting relevant? Ventilation? Surroundings? Local flora? Or fauna? no to all, alas... and remember, they "posted the $poiler" ~~
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Was the cheese $poiled? Was it supposed to be, but wasn't? Car $spoilers relevant? Other wings?
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Was the cheese $poiled? Was it supposed to be, but wasn't? the cheese wasn't what it was supposed to be Car $spoilers relevant? Other wings? neither
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The cheese wasn't what was supposed to be... the "result" was also edible? Was it a threat to safety (thus prompting the $poiler)? Or, by the work of external agents transformed itself to another type of cheese? (Like they were trying to make Gouda and ended up with Gorgonzola, for lack of a better example)
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The cheese wasn't what was supposed to be... the "result" was also edible? very edible, but "not right" Was it a threat to safety (thus prompting the $poiler)? no Or, by the work of external agents transformed itself to another type of cheese? similar, but different (Like they were trying to make Gouda and ended up with Gorgonzola, for lack of a better example) [that would be a cheese-making debacle, but considering the apocryphal story of the discovery of Roquefort - a moldy sheep's-milk cheese sandwich found in a limestone cave - nearly OTRT, in a sense.]
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Recap:
A cheese manufacturing plant was relocated, and all procedures for making the cheese in the new plant were duplicated, but the resulting cheese wasn't quite right, resulting in an enigma for the cheesemakers.
However, after having exhausted all other parameters, they "posted the $poiler," and all was well after that. The cheese was as good as ever, their customer base never knew and thus wasn't alienated, and we can assume that all slept well.
The lateral key: What "$poiler" did they post, and how?
I learned of this in cheesemaking school at the university, and the instructors were as surprised by the "$poiler posting" and ensuing results as the cheesemaker. Perhaps that's a hint: "posting the $poiler" is one of the last things one would do in a cheese plant, as it might be considered extremely unsanitary...
Perhaps another hint: cheese made at the old plant is relevant.
And we hope that drilling down to the puzzle's $poiler doesn't require experience as a commercial cheesemaker -- which is a truly exciting occupation. The only dull moments are waiting for the rennet and cultures to curdle the cheesemilk -- and the aging of the cheese.
On a personal note: I have an untasted wheel of cheddar in one of my refrigerators which is four years older than my 22yo son -- annually, we take it out and sing "Happy Birthday," and he calls it his Big Brother.
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Did they change the cheese recipe?
Did they change something in manufacturing equimpent?
Did they change the decoration of the manufacture?
Did they change any procedure which had been maintained in the old location?
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Did they change the cheese recipe?no
Did they change something in manufacturing equipment?no
Did they change the decoration of the manufacture?OTRT
Did they change any procedure which had been maintained in the old location?no
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Did they harvest culture bacteria from the old plant to use as a "starter" at the new one?
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Did they harvest culture bacteria from the old plant to use as a "starter" at the new one? OTRT
note, also, "Did they change the decoration of the manufacture?" which, for svv of "decoration," is OTRT
more cheesemaking minutiae: cheesemaking plants are nearly as sterile as an operating room, and use fresh cultures for each batch, generally provided by a contracted laboratory. However, this cheese plant DID utilize something from the old plant, and "posted the $poiler." And all was well.
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Were surface(s) used in the process updated, but perhaps provided with an antibacterial surface, which killed the culture during preparation?

Did the discovery of the problem come as a result of "posting the $poyler", as in the posting was an appeal to others to help find a solution?

trying a couple different lines of thought to get some context...
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Were surface(s) used in the process updated, but perhaps provided with an antibacterial surface, which killed the culture during preparation? no, the process was the same; surfaces in cheese plants are kept as antibacterial as possible.

Did the discovery of the problem come as a result of "posting the $poyler", as in the posting was an appeal to others to help find a solution?posting the $poiler was the solution to a problem of which they had become aware. "Posting" was rather lateral. However, they did post "the $poiler" on a wall, and elsewhere.
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Was the cheese known by its location of manufacture ? For example, the cheese may be originally called "cheese from A", while the plant moved from place A to place B, creating some confusion ?

Did they change the name of the cheese ? the brand ? the logo ?
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Was the cheese known by its location of manufacture ? For example, the cheese may be originally called "cheese from A", while the plant moved from place A to place B, creating some confusion ? location is irrelevant

Did they change the name of the cheese ? the brand ? the logo ? none of these -- but thanks for the visit
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Did they "polish down" the prep surfaces with mold and/or cheese products from the old plant, in order to transfer the original cultures to the new cheese? Or, was hanging cheese from the old plant enough to do the job?
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Did they "polish down" the prep surfaces with mold and/or cheese products from the old plant, in order to transfer the original cultures to the new cheese? Or, was hanging cheese from the old plant enough to do the job?
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Did they "polish down" the prep surfaces with mold and/or cheese products from the old plant, in order to transfer the original cultures to the new cheese? THIS! Or, was hanging cheese from the old plant enough to do the job? not enough, no --

but that brings up the

*******SPOILER*******

A creamery moved their cheese-making operation from Ohio to New York. They brought along all the gear, and set it up just as it had been in Ohio, and although the source of milk was different, but from the same breed, there was no reason the cheese should be any different, as milk is highly consistent.
Nominally the same milk, and with the same series of cultures, the cheese makers expected the cheese to be exactly what it had been, but it wasn’t –- something was off.
They explored all potential parameters, to no avail, until one of the cheese makers had a wild notion, which they executed with success, and were soon turning out cheese just as they had intended it to be.
Cheese plants are kept extremely clean, to operating room standards, with much use of bleach and other sanitizers. However, only after the cheese makers had smeared the walls and equipment of the plant with cheese made in Ohio, and then making a batch of cheese, and finally sanitizing the plant again, were things on track, and all ensuing batches of cheese were precisely what they were expected to be.
I was enamored of the concept of this puzzle, since it involved "posting a $poiler," rather literally, as well as laterally.
And incidentally, it's a true story, which the instructors recounted when I was in cheese-making school.
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Very interesting. Nice puzzle!

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