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Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 2:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Judge Di solved criminal case while having a cup of tea.

Judge Di is a historical figure, introduced in my puzzle Nailed. The criminal case is a true story, the protagonists and their motivations are fictional.
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 3:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the cup of tea itself relevant? Did it lead him to a particular insight? Was there a cup of tea involved in the crime? Is poison?
If the tea leads him to an insight, which of the following is relevant: the cup? The tea itself? Time spent drinking? Taste? Smell? Temperature of the tea? Or of the cup? Steam? How the cup is being held? How you drink from the cup?
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Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 9:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Galfisk:
Is the cup of tea itself relevant? If you mean qualities of the cup, then no. Did it lead him to a particular insight? Sort of. Was there a cup of tea involved in the crime? Yes. Is poison? Yes.
If the tea leads him to an insight, which of the following is relevant: the cup? The tea itself? Time spent drinking? Taste? This. Smell? Temperature of the tea? This. Or of the cup? Steam? This. How the cup is being held? How you drink from the cup? No to the rest.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 9:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was someone given poisoned tea? Killed with it? Is the exact poison relevant? A property of the poison? such as smell? Taste? Solubility? Tolerance to heat? does he realize: a possibility he didn't think of? Or that something he thought possible is not? Drinking technique relevant? Slurping very hot tea in order to not burn oneself, thereby not getting a good taste of the tea?
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Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 10:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Galfisk:
Was someone given poisoned tea? Technically speaking, no. Killed with it? Yes. Is the exact poison relevant? No. A property of the poison? No, except that the victim did not trace it in tea. such as smell? Taste? Solubility? Tolerance to heat? does he realize: a possibility he didn't think of? Yes. Or that something he thought possible is not? No. Drinking technique relevant? Drinking - no. Slurping very hot tea in order to not burn oneself, thereby not getting a good taste of the tea? No.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 11:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the person commit suicide? Was poison put in a person's cup? If so: before adding tea? After? Was poison put in a tea kettle? On a teaspoon? In tea leaves? In a tea bag (did they have those way back then?)? Steam condensing on something relevant? Such as eyeglasses? Or a mirror?
Was the poison ingested? Inhaled? Injected?
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Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 12:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Galfisk:
Did the person commit suicide? No. Was poison put in a person's cup? Technically speaking, it was not. If so: before adding tea? After? The poison appeared in the cup after adding tea. Was poison put in a tea kettle? No. On a teaspoon? No. In tea leaves? No. In a tea bag (did they have those way back then?) No idea. In the book they used leaves.? Steam condensing on something relevant? No. Such as eyeglasses? Or a mirror?
Was the poison ingested? This. Inhaled? Injected?
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Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 2:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the poison fall into the cup? Seep into it? Drip? Squirt? Fly? Was it solid? Liquid? Is the temperature relevant, except for the emission of steam? Is the kettle relevant? Is he drinking really hot tea? Moderately hot tea? Warm tea? Is temperature vs. time relevant?
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Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 3:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Galfisk:
Did the poison fall into the cup? Yes. Seep into it? Drip? This is also posiible. Squirt? Fly? Was it solid? Yope. Liquid? Yope. Is the temperature relevant, except for the emission of steam? No. Is the kettle relevant? Yes. Is he drinking really hot tea? This and irr. Moderately hot tea? Warm tea? Is temperature vs. time relevant? No.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 3:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the poison in the kettle? On the spout? Was it in wax form? Solid but meltable? Was it on (or in) the spout, but melted when the tea was poured and fell into the cup? Was it affected by steam and melted from that? Was it in the lid of the kettle, and melted when the tea was boiled?
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Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2013 - 7:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was a leaf from a poisonous plant mixed in with the tea leaves?





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Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 9:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Galfisk:
Was the poison in the kettle? No. On the spout? No. Was it in wax form? Yes. Solid but meltable? Yes. Was it on (or in) the spout, but melted when the tea was poured and fell into the cup? No. Was it affected by steam and melted from that? Yes. Was it in the lid of the kettle, and melted when the tea was boiled? No.

Deholmes:
Was a leaf from a poisonous plant mixed in with the tea leaves? No.
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Posted on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 10:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the poison, before it melted: on the kettle? Ont he cup? In the cup? At a place where the hot cup of tea will send steam onto it? Underneath something? A book? A shelf? some other furniture? Was something used to cover the cup? If so, was the poison on that?
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Posted on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 11:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Galfisk:
Was the poison, before it melted: on the kettle? Ont he cup? In the cup? At a place where the hot cup of tea will send steam onto it? This. Underneath something? A book? A shelf? some other furniture? Shelf and furniture would do, although in the book it was something else. Was something used to cover the cup? No. If so, was the poison on that? No.

The method of murder is more or less complete. Now, how did the judge make his discovery?
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Posted on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 11:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did something of his melt? His waxed mustache? A wax object?
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Posted on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 1:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the poison mixed with wax? Did the judge notice wax flakes on the cup? on the table? on the victim's lips? somewhere else?

Did the judge have his cup of tea in the same place as the victim? Did he notice where the steam goes? and decided to have a closer look on there?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 1:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Galfisk:
Did something of his melt? His waxed mustache? A wax object? No to these.

Mimino:
Was the poison mixed with wax? Could have been. Did the judge notice wax flakes on the cup? OTRT. on the table? on the victim's lips? somewhere else?

Did the judge have his cup of tea in the same place as the victim? Yes. Did he notice where the steam goes? Yes. and decided to have a closer look on there? And yes.

I think it's enough for the
************SPOILER****************
The previous judge in the area was found dead in his locked apartment. The investigation proved he was poisoned and the poison was in his tea. But it was still unknown how was the poison administered to the deceased. Judge used to prepare himself his tea in the room. He used the tea set that stood always in the same place.
The new judge, our protagonist Judge Di, also liked to enjoy a cup of tea in his room and used the same tea set. One afternoon, he noticed pieces of plaster in his tea and observed that they were falling from the ceiling when the steam from tea heated the plaster. He examined it closer and saw that there was a tiny hole, fixed with plaster quite recently, with traces of wax in it.
Then he knew that the murderer came to the apartment as a decorator, made a hole in the ceiling just above judge's tea set and filled it with poison mixed with wax. The hot steam from the tea cup heated and melted the wax and the poison fell to the judge's cup. And the murderer came again when the residence was prepared for the new judge and covered the hole.


Thanks for playing and congrats to Galfisk for lots of work and to Mimino for solving.

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