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If Dorothy had been less effusive, she could have easily afforded a brand new car.
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Did this involve Dorothy giving of money, financial help to others?
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Deholmes:
Did this involve Dorothy giving of money, financial help to others? No.
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Afforded a new car = she would have a lot of money?
Would the money she had have come from: salary? Tips? Sales? Contest winnings? Lottery winnings? Commission? Other?
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Galfisk:
Afforded a new car = she would have a lot of money? Yes.
Would the money she had have come from: salary? Tips? Sales? Contest winnings? Lottery winnings? Commission? Other? Could be anything.
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HINT: The puzzle statement could also be rewritten: Because Dorothy was effusive, she lost a lot of money.
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Did she lose: a lot of money at once? a lot of money over a short period? Over a long period? Did she know she would lose it? Did she intend to? Was she unlucky?
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Galfisk:
Did she lose: a lot of money at once? This. a lot of money over a short period? Over a long period? Did she know she would lose it? Probably she could have expected it for some time. Did she intend to? No. Was she unlucky? I would not call it "unlucky", but DOYD.
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Did she get sued? Arrested? Found guilty of a crime? Did the money: get destroyed? Go to a person? A group? A company? A government entity?
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Galfisk:
Did she get sued? DOYD of "sued", OTRT. Arrested? No. Found guilty of a crime? No. Did the money: get destroyed? No. Go to a person? Yes. No to the rest. A group? A company? A government entity?
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did she have to pay a fine? did she have to pay costs in a court case?
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Shez:
did she have to pay a fine? No. did she have to pay costs in a court case? Probably this too, but she also had to pay much bigger amount.
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did she have to pay compensation?
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did she enthuse about something? so someone bought it? invested in it?
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Shez:
did she have to pay compensation? No, but OTRT.
did she enthuse about something? so someone bought it? invested in it? No to these.
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did she have to buy something back off someone? refund some money?
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Did she sell something? Give something away? Hold a lottery?
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Shez:
did she have to buy something back off someone? No. refund some money? No.

Galfisk:
Did she sell something? No. Give something away? This is OTRT. Hold a lottery? No.
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RECAP: Because Dorothy was effusive, she had to give a lot of money to a certain person and also pay court fees. Strictly speaking, she was not sued (but OTRT), no investments, lotteries or being unlucky is relevant.
HINTS: Her relation to the recipient is relevant. She was effusive in writing.
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Did she duplicate copyrighted material in her writing? Is it the content? or the mere length? of what she wrote that led to the problem?
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Biograd:
Did she duplicate copyrighted material in her writing? No. Is it the content? This. or the mere length? of what she wrote that led to the problem?
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Was the 'writing' a will?
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Psymann:
Was the 'writing' a will? No.
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Did the writing promise or gift anything of financial value to anyone?

Was the writing just being complimentary about someone? about the recipient?

Is any divorce involved in this?
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Psymann:
Did the writing promise or gift anything of financial value to anyone? No.

Was the writing just being complimentary about someone? Could have been. about the recipient? Yes.

Is any divorce involved in this? YES!!! Excellent question.
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is it significant that she could have afforded a brand new car? as opposed to an exotic holiday or a fur coat?

did dhe lose the car in the divorce?

was she effusive in her protestations of love?
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Shez:
is it significant that she could have afforded a brand new car? as opposed to an exotic holiday or a fur coat? No. It was just an example of considerable sum of money.

did dhe lose the car in the divorce? Could have been. It is not so much relevant what exactly she lost.

was she effusive in her protestations of love? No-ish.
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Did she divorse her spouse?

Did her spouse claim ownership of something(s) valuable during the divorse settlement?

Would her spouse not have been able to claim ownership of this something valuable if she hadn't written effusively?
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Psymann:
Did she divorse her spouse? Yes.

Did her spouse claim ownership of something(s) valuable during the divorse settlement? Yes.

Would her spouse not have been able to claim ownership of this something valuable if she hadn't written effusively? Yes, that's the idea of this puzzle. Now, we need only the details of her effusive writing.
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Was the writing later used by her spouse as evidence that he should get the something in the divorce settlement?

And without the writing, it would have been deemed to have belonged to her?

eg she had written a letter saying "Dearest darling, as a sign of our neverending love, I give to you my family heirloom, this extremely valuable goblet with my family crest on it." And then in the divorce proceedings she'd pointed at her family crest and said it was hers, but her spouse had produced her letter, and proved that she'd given it to him?
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Psymann:
Was the writing later used by her spouse as evidence that he should get the something in the divorce settlement? Yes.

And without the writing, it would have been deemed to have belonged to her? Without writing, she would have possibly gotten much better settlement.
Clarification: In the system I am familiar with, the divorce is performed in court and the judge decides whose fault it was and how the property should be divided.


eg she had written a letter saying "Dearest darling, as a sign of our neverending love, I give to you my family heirloom, this extremely valuable goblet with my family crest on it." And then in the divorce proceedings she'd pointed at her family crest and said it was hers, but her spouse had produced her letter, and proved that she'd given it to him? She did not mention any specific property in her writing. And possibly FA.
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The writing - this was a letter to her spouse?
Written and sent when they were still happily married?
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Was her writing proof that she consented to the terms of the divorce, in such a way that if she had restrained, the divorce (or certain stipulations within) would have been null and void? Did her effusiveness distract her from some of the "small print"?
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Psymann:
The writing - this was a letter to her spouse? No.
Written and sent when they were still happily married Yes, or even before marriage.

King_louie2:
Was her writing proof that she consented to the terms of the divorce, in such a way that if she had restrained, the divorce (or certain stipulations within) would have been null and void? No. Did her effusiveness distract her from some of the "small print"? No.
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Was the writing sent to a single person?
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Psy:
Was the writing sent to a single person? Yes.
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Was that person a relative of hers? Or ex-relative of hers? Or someone in the legal profession?

Did her effusive writing cause her spouse to be given one extra item in the divorse settlement? Or more than one extra item?
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Psy:
Was that person a relative of hers? Or ex-relative of hers? Or someone in the legal profession? No to all.

Did her effusive writing cause her spouse to be given one extra item in the divorse settlement? Or more than one extra item? Irrelevant to both. The divorce was done on the financial conditions that were bad for her.
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Did she write effusively about a person? Persons? A thing? Things? About something else? Not about anything at all?

Was the recipient
- a friend of hers?
- someone she knew?
- a private individual she was writing to as part of her job?
- a private individual she was writing to not as part of her job?
- someone in business she was writing to as part of her job?
- someone in business she was writing to not as part of her job?

Is her job relevant?

Does she have children or pets? Do we care?
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Psydkik:
Did she write effusively about a person? This. Persons? A thing? Things? About something else? Not about anything at all?

Was the recipient
- a friend of hers? This.
- someone she knew?
- a private individual she was writing to as part of her job?
- a private individual she was writing to not as part of her job?
- someone in business she was writing to as part of her job?
- someone in business she was writing to not as part of her job?

Is her job relevant? No.

Does she have children or pets? Irr. Do we care? No.
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Clarification:
In the legal system I'm familiar with, the divorce can be done only in court, one spouse suing the other. Then, if it's proved that one spouse is exclusively guilty of the end of marriage, the other, not guilty one can use several benefits. Among them, he/she can be granted bigger part of the couple's possessions.
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Aha, thanks - not familiar with divorce thankfully, and hadn't realised it involved suing like that.

Was the person she wrote effusively about someone that she was having an affair with?
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Psydkik:

Was the person she wrote effusively about someone that she was having an affair with? No, but...
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Did she write so effusively about someone that it led others to judge that she was not giving full committment to her marriage?
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Psydkik:
Did she write so effusively about someone that it led others to judge that she was not giving full committment to her marriage? Yes. She wrote something that her husband used in court to convince the judge that she's guilty of divorce.

Now we're missing the couple of details.
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Were her effusive writings about her being overly affectionate with someone other than her husband?
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Psydkik:
Were her effusive writings about her being overly affectionate with someone other than her husband? It certainly looked so.
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Was she actually being overly affectionate with someone other than her husband?

Or did it just seem that way to someone reading the letter out of context?
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Psydkik:
Was she actually being overly affectionate with someone other than her husband? No.

Or did it just seem that way to someone reading the letter out of context? That's the case.
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Was she actually just being friendly with someone else?

Was she actually being friendly to a non-human?
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Psydkik:
Was she actually just being friendly with someone else? Yes, explore.

Was she actually being friendly to a non-human? No.
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She the person she was being friendly with the same person to whom she sent the writing?

Was the writing a normal sort of letter?
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Psydkik:
She the person she was being friendly with the same person to whom she sent the writing? Yes.

Was the writing a normal sort of letter? Yes.
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HINT: Dorothy's husband tried to prove something else than that she was cheating on him.
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So she wrote a letter to a friend, and her husband later used this letter to show she was guilty of the divorce?

And although this letter made it appear that she was overly affectionate to her friend (even though she wasn't), the husband used it not to show that she was cheating on him, but to show something else that caused the divorce?

Was it relevant that she'd appeared overly affectionate to the friend?

Was the friend female?
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Psydkik:
So she wrote a letter to a friend, and her husband later used this letter to show she was guilty of the divorce? Yes.

And although this letter made it appear that she was overly affectionate to her friend (even though she wasn't), the husband used it not to show that she was cheating on him, but to show something else that caused the divorce? Yes.

Was it relevant that she'd appeared overly affectionate to the friend? Yes.

Was the friend female? YES!

As Psydkik discovered the last relevant part, it's time for the


**************SPOILER*************
As a teenager/young adult, Dorothy wrote couple of letters to her female friend. The letters were written in the effusive, affectionate style, common among young ladies. Later, her husband used these letters in their divorce trial as a proof that she was lesbian and therefore was guilty of divorce. That enabled him to get much more of their properties, than he would have gotten if she had not been found guilty.


Thanks for playing and special congrats to Psydkik for finishing this puzzle.
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Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 1:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I sneaked in after others had spent months getting the ground-work done ;-)

Liked this one.
Biograd (Biograd)
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Post Number: 25
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Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 3:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Guilty of divorce"? Is that any more possible than being guilty of marriage? I assume you mean that he would have grounds to divorce her.
Redwine (Redwine)
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Post Number: 245
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Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 1:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, in my country one can be guilty of divorce. People can divorce when they want to, they do not need the grounds. But in every divorce trial, judge declares which party was guilty (or that they both were of the fact, that their marriage no longer exists. If only one part was declared guilty, the other has some benefits granted. But I know that laws concerning divorce differ much in various countries. Hope this clarifies a bit.

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