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Two birds helped ensure the safety of the King
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King: Ruler of a country? Chess piece? Fictional ruler? A person who is the best at something? A god? Elvis? Safety: from death? Health issues? Loss of power? Financial loss?
Birds: actual birds? Species relevant?
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King: Ruler of a country? yes Chess piece? Fictional ruler? no A person who is the best at something? A god? Elvis? Safety: from death? yes Health issues? Loss of power? Financial loss? and therefore all of these ;-0
Birds: actual birds?yes Species relevant?not particularly; pigeons to save invoking The List
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Carrier pigeons? Wild pigeons? Did the birds: do something relevant? Be somewhere relevant? Build a relevant nest? Eggs relevant?
Death by: poison? Disease? Weapon? Firearm? Fall? Fire? Drowning? Explosion? Traffic accident? Assassination? Accident? Suicide? Act of war?
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Carrier pigeons? Wild pigeons? these I think, no specific carrying relevant Did the birds: do something relevant? yes Be somewhere relevant? yes Build a relevant nest? no Eggs relevant? no
Death by: poison? Disease? Weapon? yes Firearm? Fall? Fire? Drowning? Explosion? Traffic accident? Assassination? yes Accident? Suicide? Act of war? it may have been part of this, but not relevant
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Projectile weapon? Were the birds hurt? Killed? did they distract the assassin? Interfere with a projectile?
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Projectile weapon? not actually relevant Were the birds hurt? no Killed? no did they distract the assassin? in a manner of speaking Interfere with a projectile? no
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Did they interfere with the assassin? Injure him/her? Was there more than one assassin?
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Did they interfere with the assassin? no Injure him/her? no Was there more than one assassin? probably but n/r
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Did they coo or whatever it is pigeons do? and alert the king of danger?
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Did they coo or whatever it is pigeons do? and alert the king of danger? no to both
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Are pigeon's feeding habits relevant? Is their propensity for pooing on statues etc. relevant?
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Are pigeon's feeding habits relevant? no Is their propensity for pooing on statues etc. relevant? LOL no
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Did the assassins(s) actually attempt to kill the king? or were they merely conspiring? If an attempt was made were the pigeons present at the time? Did something the pigeons did actually prevent the assassins' plan from working or did it make them change their mind about killing the king?

I'm much to sensible to make any corny Coo D'etat jokes
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Sorry some more..

Would the king have been aware that he had a close brush with death? Would he have been aware of the pigeon's intervention? Would the Assassins have been aware of the pigeons? and what they did?
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Did the assassins(s) actually attempt to kill the king? well, they planned to, but to be honest I don't know whether he was eventually killed or not or were they merely conspiring? no If an attempt was made were the pigeons present at the time? no successful assassination attempt was made while the pigeons were present Did something the pigeons did actually prevent the assassins' plan from working it foiled them, at least for the time being or did it make them change their mind about killing the king? no

I'm much to sensible to make any corny Coo D'etat jokes haha, too late


Sorry some more.. never apologise!

Would the king have been aware that he had a close brush with death? oh yes Would he have been aware of the pigeon's intervention? very definitely Would the Assassins have been aware of the pigeons? yes and what they did? yes, but the not the reason why
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I actually meant were the assassins foiled in the execution of the assassination or during the planning stage?

Were the pigeons trained to do something? Were they present to protect the King?
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I actually meant were the assassins foiled in the execution of the assassination or during the planning stage? they didn't even get to attempt an assassination that day and the pigeons were nothing to do with the original planning stage

Were the pigeons trained to do something? they didn't need training to do what they did Were they present to protect the King? yes
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So the pigeons did something that's in their nature to do? and this natural behaviour was harnessed in some way to protect the king?

Is how pigeons react to a predator relevant? method of flying relevant? Was the sex of the pigeons relevant? Did they act as an alarm?
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So the pigeons did something that's in their nature to do? yes and this natural behaviour was harnessed in some way to protect the king? yes

Is how pigeons react to a predator relevant? yes method of flying relevant? not the particular method but flying is relevant Was the sex of the pigeons relevant? no Did they act as an alarm? no
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Woudl the predator be another bird? A hawk of some discription? a mammal?
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Woudl the predator be another bird? no A hawk of some discription? no a mammal? these would be involved but were not the predators themselves
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I take it you're including Man in your mammal's answer? Reptiles ? Snakes?
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I take it you're including Man in your mammal's answer? Reptiles ? Snakes? Ah, sorry, I was thinking of animals - train of thought after your mention of birds and hawks. So yes, men were involved and non-predatory animals
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So men are hunting pigeons or birds in general yes? with guns? along with dogs?

The pigeons become aware of the hunters presence and do something relevant that is not cooing or flying? Do they huddle into large groups?

Do they become agitated in some way? Is there a hunting season? relevant?
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So men are hunting pigeons or birds in general yes? no with guns? along with dogs?

The pigeons become aware yope of the hunters Beware a FA presence and do something relevant that is not cooing correct or flying? they do fly Do they huddle into large groups? no

Do they become agitated in some way? yope Is there a hunting season? no relevant? no

A FA is causing the necessity of confusing answers.
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Hmm ... let's see

Is the relevant predator man? Are the pigeons trying to protect themselves ? their nest?

Apart from cooing do the pigeons make a relevant sound e.g flapping wings? or perform some action besides flying e.g. puffing out their feathers? tucking their head under their wing?

Are the pigeons wild? enclosed in some way? Are there only two of them that are relevant? Would the king have been saved if there had been only one pigeon? more than two?

You said earlier that species wasn't that important so would any bird have performed the same service? any bird that flies? any flightless bird? an aquatic bird? Is the ability to fly paramount?

Would any other type of animal been able to save the king in the same manner?
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Is the relevant predator man? yes Are the pigeons trying to protect themselves ? indirectly their nest? no

Apart from cooing do the pigeons make a relevant sound e.g flapping wings? yes or perform some action besides flying e.g. puffing out their feathers? tucking their head under their wing? no to both

Are the pigeons wild? I'm guessing so enclosed in some way? yes, good question Are there only two of them that are relevant? yes Would the king have been saved if there had been only one pigeon? yes more than two? yes, but for the sake of the story that I read there were two

You said earlier that species wasn't that important so would any bird have performed the same service? yes any bird that flies? yes any flightless bird? no an aquatic bird? not in this setting Is the ability to fly paramount? yes

Would any other type of animal been able to save the king in the same manner? no, they had to be able to fly like a bird
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I know pigeons' wings when they take off make a very loud noise, is that relevant? Does the noise set off a sensor? Does it echo? Are the birds in a typical pigeon loft? or coup?

Do the pigeons survive whatever event takes place?
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I know pigeons' wings when they take off make a very loud noise, is that relevant? yes Does the noise set off a sensor? no Does it echo? n/r Are the birds in a typical pigeon loft? or coup? no

Do the pigeons survive whatever event takes place? yes
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Try and find out where the King was.
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In a castle? a forest? Was he hiding out somewhere? In exile? Specific country relevant? Was there a war on at the time?
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In a castle? no a forest? yes Was he hiding out somewhere? yes In exile? no Specific country relevant? no Was there a war on at the time? maybe, n/r
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Are the pigeons fed by humans? Was the king in disguise? living in a house? hiding in the forest? living rough? Was he in very close proximity to the pigeons?

I can't help but feel i'm missing something obvious
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Are the pigeons fed by humans? n/r Was the king in disguise? no living in a house? no hiding in the forest? yes living rough? temporarily at least Was he in very close proximity to the pigeons? yes

I can't help but feel i'm missing something obvious probably not, this was a cunning piece of lateral thinking
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Was the forest a game sanctuary?
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Was the forest a game sanctuary? no
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Was the king hiding in the same enclosure that the pigeons were in?
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Was the king hiding in the same enclosure that the pigeons were in? yes indeed, but it wasn't really an 'enclosure' but he was enclosed....
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Is he hiding in a very confined space? Something on which the pigeons roost? Did the king have support e.g did someone bring him food, drink, change of clothing?

Is he camouflaged in any way?
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Is he hiding in a very confined space? yessish Something on which the pigeons roost? I guess they do, not being au fait with the roosting habits of birds! - no apparently they don't roost here which is rather surprising Did the king have support e.g did someone bring him food, drink, change of clothing? no

Is he camouflaged in any way? no
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Are the pigeons looked after by anyone or do they manage to feed themselves naturally?
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Are the pigeons looked after by anyone or do they manage to feed themselves naturally? normally they were wild but at the moment they are reliant on somebody to feed them if necessary
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Do we need to establish who is trying to kill the king and why? Just on the enclosed thing, are the pigeons somewhere where they cannot escape from ? does it have a door? Is the entire forest the enclosure?

As an aside just yesterday my wife noticed that I'd been staring out of our kitchen window for over 5 minutes. When she asked me what I was looking at I had to ashamedly admit that I was watching a pigeon. Unfortunately he did nothing that might indicate how he would save a king
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Do we need to establish who is trying to kill the king and why? no, but it would help to work out how his enemies were moving Just on the enclosed thing, are the pigeons somewhere where they cannot escape from? yes, they couldn't escape by themselves does it have a door? I don't think so, but a door would work perfectly well Is the entire forest the enclosure? no...

As an aside just yesterday my wife noticed that I'd been staring out of our kitchen window for over 5 minutes. When she asked me what I was looking at I had to ashamedly admit that I was watching a pigeon. Unfortunately he did nothing that might indicate how he would save a king. Oh he probably did do what the other pigeons did, but just under different circumstances - hence the clever use of thinking on the part of the King
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Were the assassins airborne? on foot? horseback? in some vehicle?

Is the enclosure made of glass? wire? wood? any clever use of mirrors?
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Were the assassins airborne? on foot? horseback? this in some vehicle?

Is the enclosure made of glass? wire? wood? the king was enclosed in this plus other stuff, but the birds were in something else any clever use of mirrors? no

Just to be clear, the King was enclosed, but the birds were further enclosed.
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Is the king hiding in something manmade? a hut or something similar?
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Is the king hiding in something manmade? no a hut or something similar? no
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Me running out of ideas.

Is he using wood/trees for cover? Is he actually up in a tree?

May I request a short recap?
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Me running out of ideas. you have done valiantly!

Is he using wood/trees for cover? yes Is he actually up in a tree? YES

May I request a short recap? indeed you may

RECAP

The King is up a tree and is being pursued by men on horseback. We found out earlier that the pigeons caused a distraction. It is yet to be found out what they are enclosed in and how they caused sufficient distraction to put the potential assassins off track.


The story of the King is apparently well known enough to be mentioned in another book (I'll give the title later when I'm sure of it). Whether the story of the pigeons is true I'm not sure, but it was certainly a legend in the 19th century according to the book I found it in.
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Are the pigeons perched on the same tree that the king is hiding in? Is the idea that the pigeons hear the approaching hoof beats and react in a specific manner which involves their flying?

Is the idea that the sound of their wings flapping is heard by someone else (other than the king and his would be assassins)? or is it meant to be heard by the assassins? Does the sound of wings flapping get confused with some other sound? a signal of some sort? gunfire (pretty unlikely I know)? Some other weapon?
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Are the pigeons perched on the same tree that the king is hiding in? they are with the King in the same tree but they are not perching Is the idea that the pigeons hear the approaching hoof beats and react in a specific manner which involves their flying? they don't exactly react

Is the idea that the sound of their wings flapping is heard by someone else (other than the king and his would be assassins)? or is it meant to be heard by the assassins? this one Does the sound of wings flapping get confused with some other sound? no - but the wings flapping did have a specific purpose a signal of some sort? gunfire (pretty unlikely I know)? Some other weapon? no to the rest
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Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the pigeons tethered?
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Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2013 - 7:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the pigeons tethered? if you mean are they attached by the foot to something, then no, but they are restrained in some way
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Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2013 - 1:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's exactly what I meant by tethered.

Are their wings clipped?

I thought I'd already asked that question but I can't see it anywhere
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Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2013 - 2:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are their wings clipped? no

as you're the only one working on this, and you are valiantly struggling on, let me know if you want this spioled. I'm happy to carry on, but I wonder whether you might want to be like a pigeon and deface this statue of a puzzle
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Posted on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 11:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You mean admit defeat!!!! I think one of your countrymen said it best....

I shall go on to the end. I shall solve in France, I shall solve on the seas and oceans, I shall solve with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, I shall solve this puzzle, whatever the cost may be. I shall solve on the beaches, I shall solve on the landing grounds, I shall solve in the fields and in the streets, I shall solve in the hills; I shall never surrender

Having said all that I could use a whopping great hint!
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Posted on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 1:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The information is all here. In fact the recap includes the key word. We know the King is up a tree. We know that men on horseback are in pursuit. We know that pigeons are in a further enclosure. We know that flapping of wings is relevant. Put it all together and you have....
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Posted on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 1:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the assassins see the king? did they hear him? did the assassins see the pigeons? hear them?
Was the king aware of the presence of the pigeons? Were the pigeons anywhere near the king? Were they in a cage? Did the pigeons flap their wings as they became aware of the assassins? as they became aware of the king? Did they think they will be released? fed?
Did the assassins, when they heard (or saw?) the pigeons, make a wrong conclusion? did the assassins think the king cannot be here? the king is somewhere else?
Relevant that it were two pigeons? (one male and one female?)
Could one pigeon alone achieved the same?
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Did the assassins see the king? no did they hear him? no did the assassins see the pigeons? yes hear them? yes
Was the king aware of the presence of the pigeons? yes Were the pigeons anywhere near the king? yes Were they in a cage? the story says a bag, but a cage would work but be less likely Did the pigeons flap their wings as they became aware of the assassins? yope as they became aware of the king? no Did they think they will be released? yope fed? no
Did the assassins, when they heard (or saw?) the pigeons, make a wrong conclusion? yes did the assassins think the king cannot be here? indeed the king is somewhere else? yes
Relevant that it were two pigeons? (one male and one female?) gender not specified. Two mentioned in the account
Could one pigeon alone achieved the same? probably

So close. Just one important fact to ascertain.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - 1:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the assassins see the pigeon flapping it's wings while in a bag and this sight leads them to believe that the king is not present and so they call off their attempt.

Do they think the bird in the bag is something else? The bag is up in a tree? at a considerable height? does it look like something else? sound like? a flag perhaps?
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So the assassins see the pigeon flapping it's wings while in a bag no... and this sight leads them to believe that the king is not present and so they call off their attempt. but this is the result

Do they think the bird in the bag is something else? no The bag is up in a tree? yes at a considerable height? yes does it look like something else? no sound like? no a flag perhaps? no
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Posted on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 2:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK time to put this to bed.

************ SPOILER ****************

Charles II was hiding in a tree. Riders on horseback were searching for him. He had two pigeons in a bag which he released so that it would seem as though the riders startled them and therefore it would appear unlikely that the King was hiding up a tree.


The story comes from a 19th century book called Leisurely Tours in England. (Sorry about the poor formatting but copy and paste didn't work perfectly)

It was down this stairway that Charles II. made his escape into the woods when one of the brothers Penderel (four of whom were keeping constant and tireless watch on the roads around) gave the alarm that soldiers were
approaching, and it was deemed safer for the king
to hide in the woods than to remain in the house.
So selecting a thick-leaved oak, some distance off,
with a tall straight trunk that no one could imagine that a man could climb, Charles II.mounted into its upper branches
by means of a ladder carried there by the faithful Richard Penderel, who hurriedly carried it back to an outhouse
before the soldiersarrived. In connection with the familiar story of
the king's hiding in this oak my guide related to
me an incident that I had not heard before. It
appears that the king took with him into the tree
two pigeons in a bag, as had been arranged he
should, and that when the soldiers rode past below, he released these pigeons as though the soldiers had disturbed them, this to show that no one could be concealed there. The story of the pigeons is told in a quaint carving on the top of an old oak box that is kept in one of the rooms of the house, and is so far confirmed. The carving gives a bold representation of the Royal Oak in full leaf with the two pigeons flying from it, and the soldiers in search below.


This could of course be pure fabrication of the actual event on the part of the guide. But it makes for a good example of lateral thinking. First catch two pigeons... Climb tree.... Other versions have it that Charles II fell asleep in the tree.
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Posted on Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - 12:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh that's very clever and feel a bit of a thickie for not getting it as it's such a simple plan.

Nice puzzle Lynne, deserved a bit more attention than it got.
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Posted on Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - 8:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you for sticking with it!

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