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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 7:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The USA has a law that is common knowledge among its citizens and almost everyone considers illogical and unfair but that arouses little if any protest, even though it's about something important and no one has ever violated it. What is it?
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If no one ever violates it, why is it even a law? (Rhetorical question.)
Does the law involve driving? personal relationships? (e.g. marriage), animals? or, oh..furniture?
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If no one ever violates it, why is it even a law? (Rhetorical question.) Actually, thinking about this might help you solve the puzzle.
Does the law involve driving? nopersonal relationships? no (e.g. marriage) no, animals? no or, oh..furniture? no
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Does the law involve education? food? drugs? health? immigration? homeland security? armed forces? voting?
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Does the law involve education? no food? nodrugs?no health? noimmigration?yesish homeland security?no armed forces? no voting? noish
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Citizenship relevant? Jus soli relevant?
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Citizenship relevant? yope Jus soli relevant? noish
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Phoey - I was hoping it would be the law that forbids the removal of tags from matresses.

Is the post office relevant? Going to the post office if one is a citizen of another country? or of draft age, even though we don't have a draft?
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Phoey - I was hoping it would be the law that forbids the removal of tags from matresses.

Is the post office relevant? noGoing to the post office if one is a citizen of another country? no or of draft age, even though we don't have a draft? irrel
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Only someone born in the US can become president?
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Wait... that was asked already. Oops.
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Only someone born in the US can become president? yes
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Wait... that was asked already. Oops. It was? Where? I googled jus soli & it means something different

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In the US, only a native=born citizen can become president. No one defends that rule, which seems obviously ridiculous, but there's no outcry against it either.
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Jus soli means that one is a citizen if they're born in the US, and only jus soli citizens can become president. I've heard the term used to refer to that law.
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A law that being born in the US makes you a US citizen dies not entail that you have to be born in the US in order to become President.
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True. I'm just saying that I have heard the term used that way before.
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Why is that so ridiculous a rule? I'm curious why you would think that. I agree that it could be argued against, but to say it's "obviously ridiculous", well that's some weighty phrasing there and I wish you would explain why you think that.
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Because I can't imagine any reason against letting a naturalized citizen be President.
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When I asked about jus soli, I meant the law that being born in the US makes you a US citizen.

And - I don't understand why there is no outcry against the law. There would be a huge freaking outcry if there was a similar law here in Germany. I don't see what thinking this law is based on... can someone explain it to me?
One of the French presidential candidates in 2012, for example, was born in Norway and has dual citizenship, French and Norwegian, and the German vice-chancellor was born in Vietnam. Why should they not be allowed to become president/chancellor?!
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I have no idea what the law is based on, but I guess the reason there's no outcry is that is applies to so few people -- just those who actually want to run for President.
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Well, I thought the idea was to eliminate cases where the candidate could be loyal to his or her country of birth (I know, far fetched these days)
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"Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for election to the office of President or Vice President. This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence."

"There was also a perception that a usurper from the European aristocracy could potentially immigrate and buy his way into power."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen_of_the_United_States

Even if somebody IS a natural born citizen, there have been enough Manchurian Candidate stories and movies to incite additional paranoia. (Birther movement, anybody?)
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Oddly enough... pretty much ALL of our congressmen and women BUY their way into power now.
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There've been a few stories about groups wanting to overturn that law (mostly supporters of Ahnold) but nothing's come of it.
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I still don't get it. Imagine someone is born to American parents outside of the US but moves there at the age of 1. Why should s/he not be allowed to become president? In my opinion, this is an obsolete law in a globalized society.
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Of course it's an exaggeration to say they buy their way into power, but it's true that money has way too much influence.on elections. Is this true in other countries?

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