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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 9:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I used to have a scrund about crime and punishment. I bet some of you still do. What is it?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Is a specific type of crime relevant? If so, homicide? assault? rape / sex-related crimes? robbery? theft? drug-related crimes? white-collar crimes?

Police investigations relevant?
Trials relevant?
Jails relevant?
Capital punishment relevant?

Does this scrund apply to the US? Other countries?
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Doriana (Doriana)
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Is a specific type of crime relevant? If so, homicide? assault? rape / sex-related crimes? robbery? theft? drug-related crimes? white-collar crimes?

Police investigations relevant? yes
Trials relevant? possibly
Jails relevant?yope
Capital punishment relevant? yope

Does this scrund apply to the US? yesOther countries? It probably applies to many, although I'm not positive.
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 10:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You didn't answer my first question about the types of crime.

Is a special method of investigation relevant? If so, securing of evidence? analyzing evidence? interrogations? DNA tests? profiling?

Statute of limitations relenvat?

Is the scrund about the role of a specific person? If so, victims? suspects? police officers? judges?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Doriana (Doriana)
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Is a specific type of crime relevant? noIf so, homicide? assault? rape / sex-related crimes? robbery? theft? drug-related crimes? white-collar crimes?
Doriana (Doriana)
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You didn't answer my first question about the types of crime. REctified (above) with my apologies

Is a special method of investigation relevant? yesIf so, securing of evidence? noanalyzing evidence? nointerrogations? yews DNA tests? noprofiling?

Statute of limitations relenvat? no

Is the scrund about the role of a specific person? If so, victims? suspects? police officers? judges? suspects
Doriana (Doriana)
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Are the suspects' rights relevant? Relevant what they have / don't have to say?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 11:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doriana (Doriana)
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Are the suspects' rights relevant? yopeRelevant what they have / don't have to say? yope
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Relevant what the police investigators are allowed to ask? Relevant whether the subjects are allowed to lie? to refuse an answer?
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Right to remain silent? Interrogation techniques relevant?
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Signed confessions relevant?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Doriana (Doriana)
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Relevant what the police investigators are allowed to ask? noishRelevant whether the subjects are allowed to lie? yopeto refuse an answer? yope
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Right to remain silent? noishInterrogation techniques relevant? yesish
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Signed confessions relevant? yes
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
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Is it relevant that confessions taken under duress are typically thrown out as evidence? Relevant that the defendant can change their mind about the confession?
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Is it relevant that confessions taken under duress are typically thrown out as evidence? possibly Relevant that the defendant can change their mind about the confession?can they?
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Relevant that the defendant can change their mind about the confession? can they?

Whoa wait a minute! I Thought this was USA, but now you're saying that this puzzle takes place in a world where a suspect can not change his or her mind about a confession. Or at the very least, you're not sure. Would we be OTRT to guess the country where this took place?
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Relevant that the defendant can change their mind about the confession? can they?

Whoa wait a minute! I Thought this was USA, but now you're saying that this puzzle takes place in a world where a suspect can not change his or her mind about a confession. Or at the very least, you're not sure. Would we be OTRT to guess the country where this took place? no. I know that the puzzle works for the USA, I don't know about other countires. As for revoking a confession, judging from "Law & Order," a confession is not automatically invalidated just because the suspect later repudiates it.
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Does this have to do with false confessions? And the challenges lawyers face with making a "False Confession" defense? Anything to do with the Detective telling the accused that it's "in their best interests to confess to the crime?"
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Does this have to do with false confessions? yes And the challenges "Challenges"?! Do you mean problems??lawyers face with making a "False Confession" defense? Anything to do with the Detective telling the accused that it's "in their best interests to confess to the crime?"possibly
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Did you have a scrund that people would never give a false confession?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
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Did you have a scrund that people would never give a false confession? Well, not never,but very rarely.

********** SPOILER ***********
I used to take it for granted that, at least in a country like the US, where suspects' rights are reasonably well protected, almost no one would confess to a crime he did not commit. But apparently, it's not so rare.
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Nope, not rare at all! There's all sorts of psychological tactics interrogators use to encourage confessions. Sometimes the stress is so much that the subject wants to get out of there by any means possible. I'm really surprised that confessions are admissible evidence.
Nimue (Nimue)
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Well, I'm no longer surprised, but I agree that they should not be.

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