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When Tom insulted Dick, Dick demanded, "Take that back!" So Tom did, which was even more insulting. How come??
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Tom = H/A/M?
Dick = H/A/M?
Do the two of them know each other?

Racism relevant? homophobia?
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Tom = H yes/A probably but not necessarily/M?yes but irrel
Dick = H/A/M?same as for Tom
Do the two of them know each other? yes

Racism relevant? no homophobia? no
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Are they relatives? friends? co-workers? relevant?

Did he insult him face-to-face? on the phone? on the internet? in a letter?

Were others present when he insulted him?
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Is this a joke or witticism?
If so, I probably know it, and will sit this one out, as I seem to know all the old jokes in existence (the ones that are clean, and some that are not).
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Are they relatives? irrel friends? no}co-workers? irrel relevant?

Did he insult him face-to-face? irrel on the phone? irrelon the internet? irrel in a letter? irrel

Were others present when he insulted him? irrel
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Is this a joke or witticism? yes or yesysh
If so, I probably know it, and will sit this one out, as I seem to know all the old jokes in existence (the ones that are clean, and some that are not).
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Are any other persons relevant to the insult? "Yo mama" jokes relevant?
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Are any other persons relevant to the insult? no"Yo mama" jokes relevant? no
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Did Tom deliberately take back the insult in an insulting way? Did his taking it back imply an even worse insult? Did he take it back by saying that the original insult was untrue? By saying the opposite of the original insult?
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Did Tom deliberately take back the insult in an insulting way? yesish Did his taking it back imply an even worse insult? yes Did he take it back by saying that the original insult was untrue? yesBy saying the opposite of the original insult? yes
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Did the original insult involve comparing Dick to something? Describing Dick in a particular way? Did it involve Dick's appearance? His social life? His skills and abilities? His intelligence? His family? His job?

Did the original insult imply that Dick was at one extreme of a spectrum, and in taking it back Tom implied that Dick was at the other end, which was even worse? Something like 'Dick, you're such a know-it-all' 'You take that back!' 'Sorry Dick, you're right, you don't know anything'?
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Did the original insult involve comparing Dick to something? yes Describing Dick in a particular way? yes Did it involve Dick's appearance? no His social life? yope His skills and abilities? yope His intelligence? no His family? no His job? no

Did the original insult imply that Dick was at one extreme of a spectrum, and in taking it back Tom implied that Dick was at the other end, which was even worse? no Something like 'Dick, you're such a know-it-all' 'You take that back!' 'Sorry Dick, you're right, you don't know anything'? no
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HINT:Find out what Dick is being compared to.
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Is he being compared to an inanimate object? a plant? an animal? another human being?
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Is he being compared to an inanimate object? a plant? an animal? another human being?a non-human animal
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Is the animal a mammal? Bird? Reptile? Amphibian? Insect? Fish? A farm animal? A common pet? Is this animal commonly used as an insult?
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Is the animal a mammal? yes Bird? noReptile? noAmphibian? noInsect? noFish? noA farm animal? yes A common pet? noIs this animal commonly used as an insult? yes
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A pig? A cow?
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Did taking the insult back mean comparing him to something even worse? Highlighting some positive aspect of the animal and saying that Dick does not share this feature? Saying that comparing Dick to the animal would be an insult to the animal? Saying he is actually worse than the animal?
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Did taking the insult back mean comparing him to something even worse? no Highlighting some positive aspect of the animal and saying that Dick does not share this feature? no Saying that comparing Dick to the animal would be an insult to the animal? no Saying he is actually worse than the animal? yesish
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You missed Doriana's questions - was the animal a pig? A cow? Did he compare some aspect of Dick to the animal, or just Dick in general?
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You missed Doriana's questions Sorryu, Doriana!! - was the animal a pig? yesA cow? no Did he compare some aspect of Dick to the animal yes, or just Dick in general no?
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Did he say Dick eats like a pig? Looks like a pig? Lives like a pig? Is dirty like a pig? Sounds like a pig?
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Did he say Dick eats like a pig? noLooks like a pig? no Lives like a pig? No, but this is the most ORT (on the right track) Is dirty like a pig? noSounds like a pig? no
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HINT: How else are people often insulted bu being compared to pigs?
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Did he say that Dick lived in a pigsty? Did he actually use the word 'pig'? Did he just say 'you are a pig'?
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Did he say that Dick lived in a pigsty? no Did he actually use the word 'pig'? yes Did he just say 'you are a pig'? no
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Pig-headed? Chauvinist pig? Is the insult a common expression?
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Pig-headed? no Chauvinist pig? noIs the insult a common expression?Not so common as the ones you mention, but I've heard it outside the anecdote that inspired (?) this puzzle.
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Is eating relevant? Does he say "You eat like a pig?"? "Only a pig would eat this"?
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Is eating relevant? not specifically Does he say "You eat like a pig?"? no"Only a pig would eat this"? no
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Did he call him a disgusting pig? A fat pig? An [adjective] pig? Did he say 'you do x like a pig'?
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Did he call him a disgusting pig? noA fat pig? noAn [adjective] pig? no Did he say 'you do x like a pig'? noish but you're ORT
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does it relate to the behaviour of a pig? messiness? stubborn-ness? manners?

you have the manners of a pig?
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does it relate to the behaviour of a pig?see below messiness? see below stubborn-ness? no manners? yes

you have the manners of a pig? yes!!

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When Tom said to Dick, "You have the manners of a pig," Dick demanded, "Take that back!" ""Okay," said Tom, "You don't have the manners of a pig." This is based on an anecdote I read recently. You have a chance to check out my new puzzle.
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I thought it might be something like that. Or this:
One night in late October,
When I was far from sober,
Returning with my load with manly pride,
My poor feet began to stutter
So I lay down in the gutter,
And a pig came near and laid down by my side.
...A lady passing by was heard to say
"You can tell a man who boozes
By the company he chooses."
And the pig got up and slowly walked away.
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I first heard it recited by W C Fields

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