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Hamilton (Hamilton)
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Nimue just had a puzzle about a very dangerous scrund. Well until recently, I had a very common scrund that some people would call the most dangerous scrund of all time! Some of you might even have it. Can you guess it?
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Does the scrund have to do with people? animals? plants? minerals?

If people are involved, is it a certain race? a certain nation? a specific person?
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Does the scrund have to do with people? Yope animals? plants? minerals? No to the rest

If people are involved, is it a certain race? Noa certain nation? No a specific person? Yesish

Not sure why I accidentally made two threads. Let's use this one.
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Could the scrund (or acting upon it) cause death? if so, of yourself? other people?
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Could the scrund (or acting upon it) cause death? no if so, of yourself? other people?
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Could it cause physical harm? financial loss / loss of property?

Is it about...
politics?
government?
law?
literature?
history?
science?
food?
art?
languages?
medicine?
transportation?
(Sorry for stealing your list from Nimue's puzzle!)
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Could it cause physical harm? financial loss / loss of property? No to all

Is it about...
politics?
government?
law?
literature?
history? Noish
science?
food?
art?
languages?
medicine?
transportation?
No to the rest
(Sorry for stealing your list from Nimue's puzzle!) If anything, I'm flattered
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anthropology relevant? archaeology? palaeontology?
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anthropology relevant? archaeology? palaeontology? No to all.
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Is the scrund actually dangerous? Or do people just think it is?

Is it dangerous because something bad could happen if you acted upon it?

Do people usually get this scrund as children? teenagers? adults?

Relevant how you got rid of the scrund?

Are recent events relevant?
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Is the scrund actually dangerous? Or do people just think it is? It's a matter of debate whether it's actually dangerous, but many people do believe it is.

Is it dangerous because something bad could happen if you acted upon it? Yes

Do people usually get this scrund as children? teenagers? adults? Probably irrelevant, but I got it as a teen.

Relevant how you got rid of the scrund? No

Are recent events relevant? No
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Could something happen to you? other people?

Genealogy relevant?
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Could something happen to you? Again, it's a matter of debate. Some think so. other people? If it IS dangerous, having this scrund can only harm you

Genealogy relevant? Yesish. I wouldn't focus on it.
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Is it only considered dangerous by those who believe in a certain superstition? or is there actual scientific evidence, though equivocal, that it is dangerous?
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Is it only considered dangerous by those who believe in a certain superstition? Yes! Although "superstition" is a bit loaded or is there actual scientific evidence, though equivocal, that it is dangerous? no
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is it more like a religious belief?

did you believe if you did something you would go to hell?
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is it more like a religious belief? Exactly so

did you believe if you did something you would go to hell? No
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Fate or predestination relevant? reincarnation? belief in an afterlife?
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Fate or predestination relevant? No reincarnation? No belief in an afterlife? Yes
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Is the scrund something that, if you acted on it, would be dangerous to you in the afterlife?

(and therefore if you don't believe in the afterlife, you wouldn't think there was any danger?)
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Is the scrund something that, if you acted on it, would be dangerous to you in the afterlife? Yes, per some beliefs

(and therefore if you don't believe in the afterlife, you wouldn't think there was any danger?)Yes
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Does the consequence of acting on this scrund pertain to where one would spend their afterlife?
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Does the consequence of acting on this scrund pertain to where one would spend their afterlife? Yes

(Assume that all answers about the consequences of this scrund are followed with "... assuming its true")
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The belief that causes this scrund to be dangerous - is it a Christian belief? One or more other religions?
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The belief that causes this scrund to be dangerous - is it a Christian belief? Yes One or more other religions? No
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Does it involve you ending up in hell (instead of heaven)?
Does it involve you ending up in heaven (instead of hell)?
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Does it involve you ending up in hell (instead of heaven)? Potentially
Does it involve you ending up in heaven (instead of hell)? No
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You believed if you did something, you would go to hell?
You believed if you thought something, you would go to hell?
You believed if you didn't do something, you would go to hell?
You believed if you didn't think something, you would go to hell?
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You believed if you did something, you would go to hell?
You believed if you thought something, you would go to hell?
You believed if you didn't do something, you would go to hell?
You believed if you didn't think something, you would go to hell? This one
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You believed that if you didn't believe in God, you would go to hell? But actually God will forgive you not believing in him as long as you realise your mistake and change your mind when your time comes and you find yourselves outside the pearly gates?
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You believed that if you didn't believe in God, you would go to hell? But actually God will forgive you not believing in him as long as you realize your mistake and change your mind when your time comes and you find yourselves outside the pearly gates? No

I should note that although I'm a Christian, my scrund was about a Christian belief I didn't subscribe too. So I wouldn't phrase questions in terms of MY belief.
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Does the scrund have to do with people? Yope
If people are involved, is it a certain race? No a certain nation? No a specific person? Yesish


Is the 'specific person' God?
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Is the 'specific person' God? No
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So is it more accurate to say:
You believed that Christians believe that if they don't think something, they go to hell?


This 'something' is:
- about a human(s)?
- about a spiritual figure?
- about some other animal?
- about an object?
- about a feeling or other intangible thing?
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You believed that Christians believe that if they don't think something, they go to hell? Yesish


This 'something' is:
- about a human(s)? Yes
- about a spiritual figure? Yes
- about some other animal? No
- about an object? No
- about a feeling or other intangible thing? No
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Ooh, a double-yes, that was a surprise! :-)

So we're perhaps talking about Jesus as being the 'something'?
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Ooh, a double-yes, that was a surprise! :-)

So we're perhaps talking about Jesus as being the 'something'? No
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Something about the Pope? Maybe his alleged infallibility?
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Something about the Pope? Maybe his alleged infallibility? no to both
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Is there just one human and one spiritual figure involved?

Is the human in the 'something' the same being as the spiritual figure in the 'something'? Or does the 'something' involve two beings, one human and one spiritual?
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Is there just one human and one spiritual figure involved? Yes

Is the human in the 'something' the same being as the spiritual figure in the 'something'? No Or does the 'something' involve two beings, one human and one spiritual? Yes
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Is the human alive today? Is it in fact one particular human, or just the human who happens to be fulfilling a certain role at a given time?
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Is the human alive today? No Is it in fact one particular human, This one or just the human who happens to be fulfilling a certain role at a given time?
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Is the spiritual being mentioned in the Bible?
Is it the Devil? An angel?

Is the human mentioned in the Bible?
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Is the spiritual being mentioned in the Bible?
Is it the Devil? An angel? I think you might have mistook my answer that God was not the "specific person" the scrund pertains to also mean God wasn't the spiritual figure. I'll give you a gimme and say that He is.

Is the human mentioned in the Bible? Yes
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Is the belief specifically Catholic?

Is the human mentioned in the New Testament?
Old Testament?
Is it one of the many Marys?

And ta for the gimme - I'd got in a bit of a cafuddle due to asking questions about one figure before I'd realised there were two!
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Is the belief specifically Catholic? Yes

Is the human mentioned in the New Testament? Yes
Old Testament? No
Is it one of the many Marys? Yes
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Something to do with "Hail Marys"?
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Something to do with "Hail Marys"? No
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Is it Mary, mother of Jesus?

Mary Magdalene?

One of the other Marys?
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Is it Mary, mother of Jesus? This one

Mary Magdalene?

One of the other Marys?
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Anything to do with the Immaculate Conception?
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Anything to do with the Immaculate Conception? Yes! I'm sure you've got it, but what's the scrund?
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That the Immaculate Conception refers to Jesus' birth, when it really refers to Mary's?
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You thought that Catholics believe that if they don't believe in the Immaculate Conception, they go to hell? And in fact they believe that they don't?
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You thought that Catholics believe that if they don't believe in the Immaculate Conception, they go to hell? And in fact they believe that they don't? Almost the opposite

That the Immaculate Conception refers to Jesus' birth, when it really refers to Mary's? This is pretty much it.

******SPOILER*******
The Immaculate Conception is defined as a dogma, meaning all Catholics need to profess it to remain in the Catholic Church. IIRC, it's one of the few dogmas that have been declared with infallibility. Despite the relative importance of the doctrine, many Catholics and non-Catholics alike are confused about the very heart of the belief: that it refers to Mary's sinless conception, not the virgin birth of Christ.

One of my Catholic friends corrected my scrund. He celebrates the Feast of the Immaculate Conception by taking a drink for every news story he finds that gives an incorrect account of what the Immaculate Conception actually is. Suffice it to say, he ended up sleeping on my couch last year.

The Catholic Church today isn't in the business of saying who specifically is and isn't going to Hell, but at least some (including my friend) believe that failing to at least research what Catholics believe before rejecting it would put your soul in peril. This Protestant certainly hopes that isn't the case.
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I was raised Catholic, and I definitely had this scrund for a long while. The math didn't add up for me -- Feast of the Immaculate Conception is on December 8, and Christmas is December 25. Even if you presumed that Jesus wasn't actually born on Christmas, as some research has hinted at, the math still didn't work. My scrund was cleared up for me when I mentioned my poor mathy confusion to my mother.
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I've never before heard the phrase "Immaculate Conception". I've heard "Virgin Birth", which makes sense as being a birth, and I suppose it stands to reason that an "Immaculate Conception" would be a conception, roughly 9 months earlier, rather than a birth.

At least you have saved me the worry of ever making this mistake were I to hear the phrase in later life ;-)
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Username: Gregoryuconn

Post Number: 37
Registered: 10-2013
Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 1:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've heard something that said Jesus was born on June 17, which is also my birthday. But the math still wouldn't work.

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