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Lynne (Lynne)
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A manufacturer thought up a good idea for the item that they make. People thought they'd made a mistake. They hadn't, it was quite deliberate, but on the other hand it will be no use if the item is a roaring success.
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Does "roaring success" mean "lots of people buy/use it"?
Does "roaring success" mean "the manufacturer makes a good profit"?

"No use" to the manufacturer?
"No use" to the user/buyer of the item?
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Does "roaring success" mean "lots of people buy/use it"? yes
Does "roaring success" mean "the manufacturer makes a good profit"? that too

"No use" to the manufacturer? no, I'll clarify - no use as in the good idea isn't as good as they thought
"No use" to the user/buyer of the item? they won't benefit as much as the manufacturer's thought they would
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Is the manufacturer one of "they"?
Do all "they's" refer to the same entity?
Does the item use new technologies?
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Is the manufacturer one of "they"? yes
Do all "they's" refer to the same entity? yes
Does the item use new technologies? no
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The manufacturer didn't make a mistake because they produced exactly what they intended to produce?

But they did in fact make a different sort of mistake, because what they intended to produce did not give the outcome they intended to get?
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The manufacturer didn't make a mistake because they produced exactly what they intended to produce? yes they did

But they did in fact make a different sort of mistake, because what they intended to produce did not give the outcome they intended to get? no, again I think I need to clarify, the item itself was fine, but the clever variation, shall we say, wouldn't necessarily be as 'clever' as they thought
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Would the Clever Variation have been clever and useful if they only sold it in small quantities?

But was not so clever and not so useful if they were to sell it in large numbers?

[apologies if questions aren't clear - feel free to get me to rephrase them if they're causing difficulty to answer! :-)]
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Would the Clever Variation have been clever and useful if they only sold it in small quantities? yes

But was not so clever and not so useful if they were to sell it in large numbers? exactly

[apologies if questions aren't clear - feel free to get me to rephrase them if they're causing difficulty to answer! :-)] no problem!
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Is the Clever Variation some method to make your whatever-it-is unique in some fashion?
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Is the Clever Variation some method to make your whatever-it-is unique in some fashion? YES, well done!
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Are there a limited number of ways the Clever Variation can be varied?

Ie a limited number of different fashions to make the item unique?
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Are there a limited number of ways the Clever Variation can be varied? yes

Ie a limited number of different fashions to make the item unique? It would be difficult to top this one but indeed there are other fashions that could make the item unique
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The appeal of the Clever Variation is to have something that no-one else has got?

But due to the limited number of variations, if lots of people get the Clever Variation, it's easy to find two people with the same 'unique' variation?
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The appeal of the Clever Variation is to have something that no-one else has got? yes

But due to the limited number of variations, if lots of people get the Clever Variation, it's easy to find two people with the same 'unique' variation? yes
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And they thought the variations of the variation were more plentiful than what turned out to be the case?

A symbol?
Picture?
Material?
Name?
Shape?
Colour?
Lynne (Lynne)
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And they thought the variations of the variation were more plentiful than what turned out to be the case? no

A symbol?
Picture?
Material?
Name?
Shape?
Colour? this is relevant
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Is the item some form of clothing? Footwear?
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Is the item some form of clothing? Footwear? no

This is certainly the route to take - find the item and why it would benefit from being unique
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Hi Lynne!

Is the item something to do with luggage? the luggage itself? or an accessory of some sort? and designed to make a person's luggage stand out at the airport baggage claim? by being an interesting colour or series of colours?
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Hi Lynne! Hey, how are YOU??

Is the item something to do with luggage? It is indeed luggage the luggage itself? yes or an accessory of some sort? no and designed to make a person's luggage stand out at the airport baggage claim?that's the fellah.... by being an interesting colour or series of colours? yes - but there is one specific thing that they did. Would you like to think what they did. On the other hand, maybe you have the same luggage as us, which goes to prove the point that the more that are sold, the less 'unique' they are
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Does it glow? Make a noise when you press a gizmo?
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Does it glow? Make a noise when you press a gizmo? no to both
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The luggage is a suitcase?

And the luggage comes in a choice of particular colours or colour-combinations (eg 'red' or 'blue and purple stripes')?
Or can be altered by the owner into a choice of particular colours or colour-combinations?

But there's more to it than just the fact that a million people all buying the same shape luggage that only comes in ten colours means that there are a hundred thousand of them that look identical?
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The luggage is a suitcase? yes

And the luggage comes in a choice of particular colours or colour-combinations (eg 'red' or 'blue and purple stripes')? that's not the 'unique' bit
Or can be altered by the owner into a choice of particular colours or colour-combinations? no, they would be hard pressed to alter this feature

But there's more to it than just the fact that a million people all buying the same shape luggage that only comes in ten colours means that there are a hundred thousand of them that look identical? no, that bit was established by Kdoc - no further details to find there. If a hundred thousand are sold, then there are a hundred thousand lookalikes on the airport carousel. You're just looking for what the manufacturers actually did to the suitcase.
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Repeating a bit, sorry, but trying to avoid FAing myself due to possible mutli-definitions of 'item' in previous questions! ;-)

The 'Item' is a suitcase?
The 'Item' was sold with a 'Clever Variation'?

The 'Clever Variation' is something to do with being an interesting colour or series of colours?
The 'Clever Variation' is not just different choices in the exterior colouring of the suitcase?
The 'Clever Variation' is some accessory to the suitcase?
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The 'Item' is a suitcase? yes
The 'Item' was sold with a 'Clever Variation'? yes

The 'Clever Variation' is something to do with being an interesting colour or series of colours? yes with an ish
The 'Clever Variation' is not just different choices in the exterior colouring of the suitcase? no
The 'Clever Variation' is some accessory to the suitcase? no, not an 'accessory' as such
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The 'Clever Variation' is a specific part of the suitcase?
Lynne (Lynne)
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The 'Clever Variation' is a specific part of the suitcase? a specific part of the suitcase has a clever variation
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The tag with owner information?
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Are there any electronics, radio-signals, techie-stuff-like-that involved?
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The tag with owner information? no

Are there any electronics, radio-signals, techie-stuff-like-that involved? no, but that would be interesting being able to call it like the keyring thing. In fact you can get GPS stickers to keep track of where things go, especially if they are lost or stolen. But this is much much simpler
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I just had this nice image of you pressing a keyfob, and half the baggage carousel lighting up and flashing pink lights at you! :-D

Is it a part of the suitcase that you can see, while it goes around the baggage carousel?
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Is it a part of the suitcase that you can see, while it goes around the baggage carousel? yes
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Does the suitcase have Lynne in big letters on the side?
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Does the suitcase have Lynne in big letters on the side? no, this is done at manufacturing level (which is why I thought it would be hardly unique if they made a huge number of sales - FTR we do put a bit of wide red tape (strong as duct tape) around the handle plus a rainbow belt around the body which was made for the purpose, bought at a cheap goods shop)
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Is the 'Clever Variation' the same on each suitcase, apart from being one of a range of different colours on each?
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Is the 'Clever Variation' the same on each suitcase, apart from being one of a range of different colours on each? yes, if I understand you correctly. Like any range of suitcases they will come in different colours, but all the suitcases will have this different something on each, the same on each one
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I probably didn't word that question very well, sorry... will try again:

Regardless of the colour of the actual suitcase's main body...
...the suitcase will have one Clever Variation?
...and the Clever Variation will itself come in a range of colours, unrelated to the suitcase-colour?
...and the only thing that is different between the Clever Variation on one suitcase and the Clever Variation on another suitcase, is that the two Clever Variations are different colours?
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Regardless of the colour of the actual suitcase's main body...
...the suitcase will have one Clever Variation? yes
...and the Clever Variation will itself come in a range of colours, unrelated to the suitcase-colour? no, the clever variations all come in the same colour
...and the only thing that is different between the Clever Variation on one suitcase and the Clever Variation on another suitcase, is that the two Clever Variations are different colours? no, they are the same colour on each of their suitcases
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RECAP

The suitcases come in a wide variety of colours, like anybody else's range of suitcases.
There is a clever variation on all of the suitcases to make it stand out on the airport carousel.
This clever variation is the same colour on each of the suitcases, regardless of the colour of the rest of the suitcase.
If there was only one suitcase on the carousel with this clever variation it would indeed stand out.
But if they sold lots of suitcases, it no longer has a unique variation.

What is the clever variation?
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Was the variation made to the "body" of the suitcase itself?
To the handle?
The wheels (if any)?
The lock?
Lynne (Lynne)
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Was the variation made to the "body" of the suitcase itself?
To the handle?
The wheels (if any)? this one, explore
The lock?
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Adding more wheels to the suitcase?
Bigger wheels?
Wheels of a different colour?
Wheels that stood out in some other way?
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Adding more wheels to the suitcase? no
Bigger wheels? no
Wheels of a different colour? this one
Wheels that stood out in some other way yes

Given that it was a two wheel suitcase, what exactly did they do?
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Did they make wheels that looked like eyes? That had different colours for left and right?
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Did they make wheels that looked like eyes? no That had different colours for left and right? yes

********** SPOILER ***********

We ordered a couple of suitcases and saw that they had one red wheel. The other wheel was black, as were the non-wheel support things. I think we'll still put our own identifying belts and tape on the suitcase in case these suitcases sell in their millions!


Thank you one and all.

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