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Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2013 - 10:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because of his extraordinary work, Dean was severely punished.
Lynne (Lynne)
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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2013 - 10:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was his work considered good/ethical or bad/unethical?
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2013 - 10:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he punished by the people he did the work for?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2013 - 10:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lynne:
Was his work considered good/ethical or bad/unethical? Neutral, rather good and ethical than bad or unethical.

Jondahr:
Was he punished by the people he did the work for? No.
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2013 - 10:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he do this work in a professional capacity? Was he a student of some sort? Does this involve unpaid work or community service in any form?
Deholmes (Deholmes)
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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2013 - 11:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Dean a police officer? a civil servant?
Psydkik (Psydkik)
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Posted on Saturday, September 28, 2013 - 7:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Dean punished...
by person(s) at work?
by person(s) in his private life?
not by person(s) at all?

is "Dean" the same person as "his"?
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2013 - 1:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was his punishment physical? Financial? Emotional? A scolding? Losing his job? Losing some other privilege? Being ridiculed? Going to prison?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Monday, October 07, 2013 - 11:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wizardofnz:
Did he do this work in a professional capacity? Yes. Was he a student of some sort? No. Does this involve unpaid work or community service in any form? No.

Deholmes:
Was Dean a police officer? No. a civil servant? Noish.

Psydkik:
Was Dean punished...
by person(s) at work? No.
by person(s) in his private life? No.
not by person(s) at all? No.

is "Dean" the same person as "his"? Yes.

Jondahr:
Was his punishment physical? Financial? Emotional? A scolding? Losing his job? Losing some other privilege? Being ridiculed? Going to prison? This. Good q.
Sleepingbeaver (Sleepingbeaver)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 8:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the extraordinary work illegal? Would Dean's "normal" work also be illegal?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sleepingbeaver:
Was the extraordinary work illegal? No. Would Dean's "normal" work also be illegal? No.
Sleepingbeaver (Sleepingbeaver)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 8:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Dean otherwise commit a crime? Was the crime revealed be the "extraordinary work"? Is the particular offence Dean was found guilty of relevant?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 10:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sleepingbeaver:
Did Dean otherwise commit a crime? Yes. Was the crime revealed be the "extraordinary work"? Please rephrase. Is the particular offence Dean was found guilty of relevant? Yes.
Alexanderhamilton (Alexanderhamilton)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 8:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Dean's extraordinary work attract the attention of law enforcement? Did that scrutiny uncover a crime? Was the crime related to Dean's normal work?

Is Dean's job relevant? Does he provide a service? Does he work in finance?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 8:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Alexanderhamilton:
Did Dean's extraordinary work attract the attention of law enforcement? Yes. Did that scrutiny uncover a crime? Yes. Was the crime related to Dean's normal work? Somehow, but may be misleading.

Is Dean's job relevant? Yes. Does he provide a service? Difficult to answer that... it depends from the point of view. Does he work in finance? No.
Alexanderhamilton (Alexanderhamilton)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 8:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Dean's extraordinary work result in a windfall of cash? Either for him or his company?

Does Dean work in:
manufacturing?
law?
education?
sales or retail?
medicine?
sports?
politics?
the arts?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 8:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Alexanderhamilton:
Did Dean's extraordinary work result in a windfall of cash? No. Either for him or his company? The company could possibly gain some money, but not relevantly much.

Does Dean work in:
manufacturing?
law? A little bit of this is relevant.
education?
sales or retail?
medicine?
sports?
politics?
the arts? Yesish, DOYD.
Amol (Amol)
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 7:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the work of Dean itself a crime ? Was that work used for another crime ?

When Dean was doing the work, did he have any idea that he was performing a crime ? that it would lead to a crime ? that it could lead to a crime ? that he was helping someone commit a crime ?

forgery relevant ?

Do we need to differentiate between the process of Dean's working, and the outcome/product of his work ? If yes, which is relevant: process ? outcome ?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 9:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Amol:
Was the work of Dean itself a crime ? No. Was that work used for another crime ? No.

When Dean was doing the work, did he have any idea that he was performing a crime ? No, and he was not performing a crime while doing his work. that it would lead to a crime ? No, FA. that it could lead to a crime ? No, FA. that he was helping someone commit a crime ? No, FA.

forgery relevant ? No.

Do we need to differentiate between the process of Dean's working, and the outcome/product of his work ? I think it's closely connected, so no. If yes, which is relevant: process ? But indeed the process is more relevant to the puzzle. outcome ?
Amol (Amol)
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 2:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The "extraordinary" work: was the output extraordinary ? Is this a particular work ? Or does this refer to the work of Dean in general ? Was the way Dean worked extraordinary ?

Had Dean committed a crime before this work ? Did his work help in the disclosure of the crime ? of Dean's involvement in the crime ?
Amol (Amol)
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Post Number: 104
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 2:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To add:
If Dean had not worked extraordinarily:
would the crime not be committed ?
would there be no need to commit a crime ?
would the crime not be discovered ?
would Dean not be connected to the crime ?

Did Dean commit the crime voluntarily ?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 2:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Amol:
The "extraordinary" work: was the output extraordinary ? No. Is this a particular work ? Yes. Or does this refer to the work of Dean in general ? No. Was the way Dean worked extraordinary ? He dealt with a standard task with standard methods, if it's what you're asking.

Had Dean committed a crime before this work ? YES, very good question. Did his work help in the disclosure of the crime ? No. of Dean's involvement in the crime ? No.

If Dean had not worked extraordinarily:
would the crime not be committed ? No.
would there be no need to commit a crime ? No.
would the crime not be discovered ? No.
would Dean not be connected to the crime ? YES!

Did Dean commit the crime voluntarily ? Yes.
Alexanderhamilton (Alexanderhamilton)
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 5:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was law enforcement aware a crime had been committed before they connected it to Dean? Or did Dean's work alert them to both the crime and Dean's involvement?

Did Dean's work help reveal his motive? Did it reveal evidence of his crime?

Does Dean work in:
Television?
Music?
Movies?
Literature?
Theater?
News media?
Poetry?
Dance?
"Art" (sculpting, painting, modern art, etc.)?
Some other DYOD art I'm forgetting?
King_louie2 (King_louie2)
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 6:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This puzzle almost reminds me of the movie "Catch Me If You Can", with the counterfeiting stuff... is that relevant?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 6:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Alexanderhamilton:
Was law enforcement aware a crime had been committed before they connected it to Dean? Yes. Or did Dean's work alert them to both the crime and Dean's involvement? Only to Dean's involvement.

Did Dean's work help reveal his motive? No. Did it reveal evidence of his crime? Possibly.

Does Dean work in:
Television?
Music?
Movies?
Literature?
Theater?
News media? This one.
Poetry?
Dance?
"Art" (sculpting, painting, modern art, etc.)?
Some other DYOD art I'm forgetting? No.

King_louie2:
This puzzle almost reminds me of the movie "Catch Me If You Can", with the counterfeiting stuff... is that relevant? No counterfeiting stuff in this puzzle, I'm afraid. I do not watch many films, I do not even have a TV...
Amol (Amol)
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 8:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Dean a reporter ? Did he write something that an innocent reporter should not have known ? something the police had not made public ? Was he too curious ?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Amol:
Was Dean a reporter ? Yes. Did he write something that an innocent reporter should not have known ? Very much OTRT. something the police had not made public ? No. Was he too curious ? No.
Amol (Amol)
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Post Number: 106
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Posted on Friday, October 11, 2013 - 10:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the crime:
murder ? rape ? stealing ? robbery ? embezzlement ? (I do not have the LTPF list of crimes).

Did the crime result in harm to a human ? to a group of humans ? to an organization ? to some non-human creatures ?

physical harm ? mental harm ? loss of money ?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Friday, October 11, 2013 - 10:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Amol:
Was the crime:
murder ? rape ? stealing ? robbery ? embezzlement ? (I do not have the LTPF list of crimes). In the news I read, the victim was beaten to death. But I think any crime connected with an assault to a human would do.

Did the crime result in harm to a human ? Yes. to a group of humans ? to an organization ? to some non-human creatures ? No to the rest.

physical harm ? Yes. mental harm ? loss of money ? No to the rest.
Amol (Amol)
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Posted on Friday, October 11, 2013 - 12:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Dean a newspaper reporter ? a TV reporter ? other media ?

So Dean's work showed that he had some information that was not public ? was this information unknown to the police also ?

Did this only make the police suspicious ? Was this enough to convince them of Dean's guilt ?

Did Dean write what the victim was beaten with ?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Friday, October 11, 2013 - 12:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Amol:
Was Dean a newspaper reporter ? a TV reporter ? In the real story he was a member of the TV reporting crew. But I think newspaper reporter would do as well. other media ?

So Dean's work showed that he had some information that was not public ? Yes. was this information unknown to the police also ? Yes.

Did this only make the police suspicious ? Yes. Was this enough to convince them of Dean's guilt ? This make them suspicious. Probably they found the evidence later on.

Did Dean write what the victim was beaten with ? No, but what you've discovered above is enough for the

**************SPOILER****************
At his way back from the party, The Victim was beaten to death. Later on, when the TV crew was preparing the report, Dean showed knowledge about many details of the crime - thus making extraordinary work upon the report. But the details were not even known to the police at that time, and Dean's knowledge make the police suspicious. Soon they discovered that Dean was the perpetrator of this crime.


Thanks to all players, especially Amol for making the last steps to the solution.

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