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Robert did something that could be considered sexist. As a result, he was asked if he were a feminist.

I call myself Robert here as it is not a really true story but might have happened to me. He = Robert as well.
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Would it have been considered sexist against women? Against men?
Did he do it to someone else? More than one someone else?
Was the something an action? Something he said?
Chivalry relevant?
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Would it have been considered sexist against women? This Against men?
Did he do it to someone else? More than one someone else?
No to both is closest

Was the something an action? Yesish Something he said? No
Chivalry relevant? No
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Would the perceived sexism in this 'doing' arise from the act itself, or the supposed underpinnings of the act (i.e. the 'doing' was based on assumptions/a perspective that was once held to be inalienably true but has been deemed sexist in modern times?)
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Would the perceived sexism in this 'doing' arise from the act itself Yes, or the supposed underpinnings of the act (i.e. the 'doing' was based on assumptions/a perspective that was once held to be inalienably true but has been deemed sexist in modern times?) Nothing of this kind
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Was this act considered sexist against one woman in particular? Against all women? A certain group of women? Was the act considered sexist because it was perceived to exclude women? Perceived to harm women? Insult women?

Was the act perceived to reference a hot-button political issue of particular importance to feminists? If so, equal wages? Glass ceilings? Abortion? Contraception? Rape? Divorce? Sexual Harassment? Pornography?

Would the typical apolitical man think his action was sexist? Would he have to be well-informed to pick up on the implication?
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Was this act considered sexist No - beware FA
against one woman in particular? Against all women? this is closest, if we substitute "could be" A certain group of women? Was the act considered sexist because it was perceived to exclude women? Perceived to harm women? Insult women? Maybe this, if we substitute "could be"

Was the act perceived to reference a hot-button political issue of particular importance to feminists? Not to all If so, equal wages? Glass ceilings? Abortion? Contraception? Rape? Divorce? Sexual Harassment? Maybe a tiny ish here Pornography?

Would the typical apolitical man think his action was sexist? unlikely Would he have to be well-informed to pick up on the implication?
Tricky - must say yope here
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I think it's time for a hint:
If Robert had been American, after doing the maybe-sexist thing, he might have been asked if someone had died.
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If Robert had been British, would he have been asked this?
If Robert (you) had been German, but speaking in English, would he have been asked that?
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If Robert had been British, would he have been asked this? probably
If Robert (you) had been German, but speaking in English, would he have been asked that? No
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Is the country this happening in relevant? Is it happening in Germany? Would American and British Robert be asked if they were mourning because they speak English? Because of a shared cultural aspect?
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[Hamilton]

Is the country this happening in relevant? no
Is it happening in Germany? Yes-ish
Would American and British Robert be asked if they were mourning because they speak English? No
Because of a shared cultural aspect? Yope - I don't know if "cultural" is the right word
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Does it have anything to do with the fact that German, like most languages, has grammatical gender, and English does not?
Or with the custom, in English, of calling some things, e.g. boats, "she?"
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Does it have anything to do with the fact that German, like most languages, has grammatical gender, and English does not? No
Or with the custom, in English, of calling some things, e.g. boats, "she?" Still no language issues relevant, sorry
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Are there other nationalities besides American and British where Robert would have been asked if he were mourning? Are there other nationalities where he would have been asked if he were a feminist?

Is the Robert who was asked if he was a feminist German?

Does which question he gets asked depend on the other person knowing Robert's nationality? Does Robert's nationality change how Robert performs the action, and therefore which one he gets asked?
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Are there other nationalities besides American and British where Robert would have been asked if he were mourning? Yes Are there other nationalities where he would have been asked if he were a feminist? Yes

Is the Robert who was asked if he was a feminist German? Yes

Does which question he gets asked depend on the other person knowing Robert's nationality? No
Does Robert's nationality change how Robert performs the action, and therefore which one he gets asked? Yes!
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If American/Brit Robert was to perform this action in his home country, would they ask if he was in mourning? Would he be asked if he was a feminist? Or would it not be seen as unusual at all?

Was Robert's action something you do with your body? Does it require another person? Does it require a certain object?
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If American/Brit Robert was to perform this action in his home country, would they ask if he was in mourning? possibly Would he be asked if he was a feminist? No Or would it not be seen as unusual at all?possibly

Was Robert's action something you do with your body? Yesish - but beware FA
Does it require another person? No
Does it require a certain object?DOYD

Please don't be concerned that this puzzle might get risqué. It's perfectly family suitable =)
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Was the thing Robert did some sort of physical action? Was it something he did electronically? Was it intended to communicate something to others?

Was Robert's "action" more of a momentary thing, ex. a gesture? Or was it more prolonged, ex. growing a beard?

Did the question about whether he was a feminist come immediately after Robert's action took place? Did it come during the action?
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Was the thing Robert did some sort of physical action? No Was it something he did electronically? Yes! Was it intended to communicate something to others? Yesish

Was Robert's "action" more of a momentary thing, ex. a gesture? rather this Or was it more prolonged, ex. growing a beard? No

Did the question about whether he was a feminist come immediately after Robert's action took place? No Did it come during the action? No
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Did Robert's activity involve the use of a phone? Of a computer? Of the Internet? Email? A social network?

Was Robert asked if he was a feminist a good amount of time after he did the thing? If so, was it minutes, hours, days, months, etc.?
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Did Robert's activity involve the use of a phone? No Of a computer? Yes Of the Internet? Yes Email? No A social network?Not necessarily

Was Robert asked if he was a feminist a good amount of time after he did the thing? Yes If so, was it minutes, hours, assume this days, or this months, etc.?
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Did Robert post something on the Internet? If so, was it text? An image? A link? A 'like' (or something akin to that)?

Would it be possible for him to do what he did without the Internet (i.e. rent a movie instead of go to Netflix)?

Is there a specific website involved? If so, would it help to figure out which one?
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Did Robert post something on the Internet? Noish
If so, was it text? An image? Doyd
A link? A 'like' (or something akin to that)?
</b>No to rest</b>

Would it be possible for him to do what he did without the Internet (i.e. rent a movie instead of go to Netflix)? No

Is there a specific website involved?
Doyd
If so, would it help to figure out which one? Doy same d
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Did the person/people who asked Robert if he was a feminist find out about his action using the Internet?

Did Robert:
Play a game?
Download something?
Upload something?
Stream a video?
Listen to music?

Did he utilize a web browser at all? Or did he just require an internet connection?
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Did the person/people who asked Robert if he was a feminist find out about his action using the Internet? Yes

Did Robert:
Play a game?
Download something?
Upload something? This
Stream a video?
Listen to music?

Did he utilize a web browser at all? Probably
Or did he just require an internet connection?
But this is also possible
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What he uploaded: Was it a picture? A video? Audio? Text? A file? Some combination of the above? Did he upload it to a website? Could others download what he uploaded?

Does the average person use the Internet in the same way that Robert did? Does it require particular skill with computers?

Would the difference between British Robert and German Robert be in how they uploaded it? Would it be in the actual content of what they uploaded?
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What he uploaded: Was it a picture? A video? Audio? Text? A file? This Some combination of the above? Did he upload it to a website? Yes-ish Could others download what he uploaded? No (some ish or doyd might by more accurate, but misleading)

Does the average person use the Internet in the same way that Robert did? Maybe not the average, but this is quite common
Does it require particular skill with computers?
Some skills are required, but far from rocket science

Would the difference between British Robert and German Robert be in how they uploaded it? No
Would it be in the actual content of what they uploaded?Yes
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Torrents relevant? Or podcasts?
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Torrents relevant? No Or podcasts? No
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The content: Would British and German Robert's content differ based on their home country's:
History?
Mass media?
Idioms?
Literature?
Laws or Government?
Etiquette?

And to clear up a possible FA, your hint says American Robert would be asked if someone had died. Would they think someone close to Robert had died? Would they think he was displaying grief for the dead person?
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The content: Would British and German Robert's content differ based on their home country's:
History?
Mass media?
Idioms?
Literature?
Laws or Government?
Etiquette? None of these

And to clear up a possible FA, your hint says American Robert would be asked if someone had died. Would they think someone close to Robert had died?
Not impossible, as people have done so in mourning - but I assume it more likely that someone asked this as a crude joke
Would they think he was displaying grief for the dead person? Same
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So most likely, the question about someone dying would be tongue-in-cheek? Would they have someone specific in mind for who would have died (his father, Tom Cruise, etc.)? Or would they 'think' that someone in general had died?

So you couldn't download what he uploaded, but could they view it online? Would it help to know the format of the file? Was it a .pdf? A .gif? A .jpeg or some other image file? A .doc?
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So most likely, the question about someone dying would be tongue-in-cheek? Yes
Would they have someone specific in mind for who would have died (his father, Tom Cruise, etc.)? No
Or would they 'think' that someone in general had died? Yes, as in "someone in general close to Robert"

So you couldn't download what he uploaded, but could they view it online? Yes Would it help to know the format of the file? Yes! Was it a .pdf? A .gif? A .jpeg or some other image file? A .doc? None of these
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All right then, was the format:
.avi, .wav, etc.?
.zip?
.mp3 or .mp4?
.html?
An Excel spreadsheet?
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All right then, was the format:
.avi, .wav, etc.?
.zip?
.mp3 or .mp4?
.html? You can assume this (although other formats are possible and more in accordance with "couldn't download")
An Excel spreadsheet?
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Was Robert updating a website? His website? Does he have a blog?

Is the difference between Amerirobert and Germanrbert's HTML file:
Their choice of words?
Their choice of graphics?
Their choice of format?
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Was Robert updating a website? Yes His website? Yes! Does he have a blog? No/irrel

Is the difference between Amerirobert and Germanrbert's HTML file:
Their choice of words? No
Their choice of graphics? One of these, doyd
Their choice of format? One of these, doyd
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Is Robert also being asked if he's a feminist in a tongue-in-cheek manner?

Would it help to find out exactly what kind of website Robert operates? Is it related to an interest of Robert's?

Background relevant? Font or font color relevant? Are colors relevant at all?
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Is Robert also being asked if he's a feminist in a tongue-in-cheek manner?
Even more so, I suppose

Would it help to find out exactly what kind of website Robert operates? No Is it related to an interest of Robert's? It's just his private website, otherwise irrel

Background relevant? Yes! Font or font color relevant? Not this Are colors relevant at all? Yes
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Did one of the Roberts switch his page's background to black, or to something black? Would that explain the mourning jokes?
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Did one of the Roberts switch his page's background to black, or to something black? Yesish - not exactly black, but close to black Would that explain the mourning jokes? Yes
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So would German Robert choose another color for his background? And that color choice could be considered sexist in Germany? Was it pink? Blue?
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So would German Robert choose another color for his background? Yes And that color choice could be considered sexist in Germany? No,and FA/OWT Was it pink? Blue? None of these

Clarification: No German-specific meaning of colours is involved
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The color of German Robert's background:
Red?
Yellow?
Green?
Purple?
White?
Orange?
Black?

Does German Robert get asked if he's a feminist because of the choice of color? Are the Roberts' backgrounds just one color?
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The color of German Robert's background:
Red?
Yellow?
Green?
Purple? This (some sort of)
White?
Orange?
Black?

Does German Robert get asked if he's a feminist because of the choice of color? Yes Are the Roberts' backgrounds just one color? Yes
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Was German Robert's background violet? Indigo? Lavender? Magenta? Is the specific shade of purple relevant?

No German-specific meaning is relevant, but is there any relevant cultural meaning of the color purple?

Is there a reason Robert's nationality determines which color he chooses? Would one of the Roberts choose their color because they want to avoid the tongue-in-cheek connotation of the other color?
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...wait a minute, is the feminist novel The Color Purple relevant?
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Was German Robert's background violet? Indigo? Lavender? Magenta? Actually, I don't know - some darker shade of purple
Is the specific shade of purple relevant? Very (explore why) - but not by name

No German-specific meaning is relevant, but is there any relevant cultural meaning of the color purple? There is, albeit somewhat outdated - but there are enough wise guys around in either country wo still have the association

Is there a reason Robert's nationality determines which color he chooses? Yes Would one of the Roberts choose their color because they want to avoid the tongue-in-cheek connotation of the other color? No

...wait a minute, is the feminist novel The Color Purple relevant? Only the reason for its name...
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I wish I had read The Color Purple.

Is it relevant that purple was considered a royal color? Relevant that it's sometimes considered a feminine color? Was the specific shade of purple similar to another famous use of the color purple?

Did anything else about Robert's website provoke the feminist question, other than the background color? If Robert had changed his website's background to dark purple in the year 2012, would he still have gotten the feminist question?
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I wish I had read The Color Purple.

Is it relevant that purple was considered a royal color? Relevant that it's sometimes considered a feminine color?

Let's take a shortcut around this, since this is not really lateral now: Purple, or lilac, was at times used as a symbol of women's rights movements (maybe more so by supporters than the actual acivists), and is therefore still associated with feminism by some, including Robert's buddies =)

Was the specific shade of purple similar to another famous use of the color purple?
No

Did anything else about Robert's website provoke the feminist question, other than the background color? No If Robert had changed his website's background to dark purple in the year 2012, would he still have gotten the feminist question? possibly
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All right, so let's summarize what I've got:

Robert updates his website so that the background is purple. Someone asks him facetiously whether or not he's a feminist, since purple was considered at times a symbol of support from women's rights. Is all this correct?

Am I still missing a big piece of the puzzle? Is it why he changed his background to begin with? Is it why his act could be considered sexist against women? Would a British or American Robert have chosen a black-ish color for a relevant reason?
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All right, so let's summarize what I've got:

Robert updates his website so that the background is purple. Someone asks him facetiously whether or not he's a feminist, since purple was considered at times a symbol of support from women's rights. Is all this correct? Yes

Am I still missing a big piece of the puzzle? Is it why he changed his background to begin with? I think so Is it why his act could be considered sexist against women? Also this Would a British or American Robert have chosen a black-ish color for a relevant reason? Instead of purple, yes
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Could the pro-feminist color be considered "sexist" because of some other content on the website? Because of some current events? Is the date relevant?

Was Robert trying to convey something with his choice of background colors? Did he change his background to commemorate something? Relevant which color he changed it from? Is so, [earlier list of colors]?

Would British/American Robert select blackish after rejecting purple? Or would their first instinct be to select blackish?
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Could the pro-feminist color be considered "sexist" because of some other content on the website? No Because of some current events? No Is the date relevant?

Was Robert trying to convey something with his choice of background colors? No - except that he was bored, perhaps Did he change his background to commemorate something? No Relevant which color he changed it from? No Is so, [earlier list of colors]? Assume white or business shirt blue or the like

Would British/American Robert select blackish after rejecting purple? No Or would their first instinct be to select blackish? No, and FA!
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Was my false assumption that B/A Robert selected a blackish color to begin with? Did they intend to pick another color? Did they not intend to pick a color at all? Did they simply not change their background?

Would the purple background be seen as sexist because it looked like Robert was mocking feminism? Is there any other context necessary to find out why it could be considered sexist? Would a stranger and friend be equally likely to make the tongue-in-cheek comments?

Wait, so it IS relevant why he changed his background color, but the background color wasn't supposed to convey anything? Did he change it because he wanted to? Because something made him? Because he was bored? Because he didn't like the old look?
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Was my false assumption that B/A Robert selected a blackish color to begin with? Yes Did they intend to pick another color? No Did they not intend to pick a color at all? Doyd of "pick a color" Did they simply not change their background? They did!

Would the purple background be seen as sexist because it looked like Robert was mocking feminism? NoIs there any other context necessary to find out why it could be considered sexist? The purple background itself could not be considered sexist Would a stranger and friend be equally likely to make the tongue-in-cheek comments? Probably not

Wait, so it IS relevant why he changed his background color, but the background color wasn't supposed to convey anything? Yes Did he change it because he wanted to? Yes Because something made him? No Because he was bored? Also this Because he didn't like the old look? possibly, but irrel
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You answered "yes-ish" to whether it happened in Germany. Relevant? Did it happen on a foreign military base in Germany? American? British?
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You answered "yes-ish" to whether it happened in Germany. Relevant? Did it happen on a foreign military base in Germany? American? British?

No such things. The ish was just for the Internet.
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Was German Robert being bored the only reason he changed his background? Is there another, more relevant reason? Is the reason he changed his background related to the reason it could be considered sexist? Are they the same reason?

So German Robert and B/A Robert start off with different background colors to begin with? And only German Robert changes it? Is it relevant why the two Roberts have different background colors at the start of the puzzle? Would the puzzle work just as well if B/A Robert's background color started off as red and was changed to black, for example?
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Was German Robert being bored the only reason he changed his background? Is there another, more relevant reason? Add in some macho attitude of Robert's, but nothing serious Is the reason he changed his background related to the reason it could be considered sexist? Are they the same reason? Should be yes then

So German Robert and B/A Robert start off with different background colors to begin with?
No - assume the same standard white-or-business-shirt-blue background for both And only German Robert changes it?
No - "They did" was meant to be "they did change the background"



Is it relevant why the two Roberts have different background colors at the start of the puzzle? FA
Would the puzzle work just as well if B/A Robert's background color started off as red Yes and was changed to black No, it is very relevant that the background color was only close to black for example?
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So when we're talking black-ish, are we talking about a very dark shade of grey? Or is it a very dark shade of another color? If so, is it a very dark shade of [Insert earlier color list here]? Relevant?

Is it necessary to pin down Robert's motivation further, or is boredom + some macho attitude sufficient? Would a viewer of his website know Robert was changing the background color to purple because of his "macho attitude?" Or would they have another reason in mind it could be sexist?

Are all the Roberts changing their background colors for the same reason?
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So when we're talking black-ish, are we talking about a very dark shade of grey? Yes Or is it a very dark shade of another color? If so, is it a very dark shade of [Insert earlier color list here]? Relevant? Actually, we're taking about a dark shade of grey with a minute touch of purple that you won't even notice, and this is very relevant

Is it necessary to pin down Robert's motivation further, or is boredom + some macho attitude sufficient? This is sufficient Would a viewer of his website know Robert was changing the background color to purple because of his "macho attitude?" No Or would they have another reason in mind it could be sexist? No

Are all the Roberts changing their background colors for the same reason? Yes
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Did B/A Robert notice the traces of purple in their color choice? Is it relevant the all Roberts end up with a purplish color? Do all Robert's intend to select a purplish color?

Would this puzzle work just as well if both Roberts had select redish or yellowish colors? Or is there a very specific reason they end up with purple?

If I were to tell you a country, would you be able to tell me if that Robert would select blackish or purple? Would most Roberts select purple? Would most Roberts select blackish?
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Did B/A Robert notice the traces of purple in their color choice? Unlikely and irrelevant Is it relevant the all Roberts end up with a purplish color? This is indeed not just a coincidence, but I think you won't get far if you try to explore the reason Do all Robert's intend to select a purplish color? No

Would this puzzle work just as well if both Roberts had select redish or yellowish colors? No Or is there a very specific reason they end up with purple? See above

If I were to tell you a country, would you be able to tell me if that Robert would select blackish or purple? Not for every country, since I'm not Wikipedia =)
Would most Roberts select purple? Would most Roberts select blackish?
To preempt an LTPF list, I would say blackish for US & most of Commonwealth, and purple for most other countries, but I don't know better...
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Does the reason for the purplishness have to do with computer monitors? I recall that they actually display colors using a combination of primary colors.

Would a non-English speaking Commonwealth nation be as likely to produce a blackish background as an English speaking one? Are citizens of a Commonwealth nations more likely to have something? To think a certain way? To do a certain activity? To share some cultural assumption? To buy something?

Is it a result of Robert's upbringing in a given country that determines which color he chooses? Or is it a matter of current residence? If British Robert had moved to Germany a year before, would he still select a blackish background?
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Does the reason for the purplishness have to do with computer monitors? Not this... I recall that they actually display colors using a combination of primary colors. But getting OTRT

Would a non-English speaking Commonwealth nation be as likely to produce a blackish background as an English speaking one? Don't know - remember that language is not an issue Are citizens of a Commonwealth nations more likely to have something? No To think a certain way? Yes To do a certain activity? No To share some cultural assumption? No To buy something? No

Is it a result of Robert's upbringing in a given country that determines which color he chooses?
Most likely Or is it a matter of current residence? less likely If British Robert had moved to Germany a year before, would he still select a blackish background? Probably yes
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Are hyperlinks relevant?

Are members of Commonwealth nations more likely to hold certain opinions? To associate certain colors with something? To think of a certain color in a certain circumstance? Do they think about or use the Internet differently in a specific way, or is it more broad?

Is the monarchy itself relevant at all? (although I'm not sure why Americans would be included then...)
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Are hyperlinks relevant? No

Are members of Commonwealth nations more likely to hold certain opinions? No To associate certain colors with something? No To think of a certain color in a certain circumstance? No Do they think about or use the Internet differently in a specific way, or is it more broad? No

Is the monarchy itself relevant at all? No (although I'm not sure why Americans would be included then...)
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Symbolisms of colors relevant? As in purple is considered a symbol of one movement in some parts of the world and the opposite movement in others? (I know gay rights activsts in the USA use pink as do gay rights opponents in France, but I can't think of any examples with purple.)
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Purple Ribbon is, among other things, for epilepsy awareness; here is the list of other things (and epilepsy) :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_ribbon
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Symbolisms of colors relevant? As in purple is considered a symbol of one movement in some parts of the world and the opposite movement in others?
No color symbolism is relevant for why the Roberts ended up with different colors.
(I know gay rights activsts in the USA use pink as do gay rights opponents in France, but I can't think of any examples with purple.)

The purple symbolism part is buried around post #50 in this thread. Anyone wants a recap?

Purple Ribbon is, among other things, for epilepsy awareness; here is the list of other things (and epilepsy) :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_ribbon

Impressive list, but not relevant to this puzzle =)
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Are hexadecimal codes for numbers relevant?
Does this have something to do with "ideal" proportions of a woman's body, 90 cm / 60 cm / 90 cm, which would be 36/24/36 in inches? #906090 is a dark purple color, while #362436 would be a darker shade of purple, almost black
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Are hexadecimal codes for numbers relevant?
Does this have something to do with "ideal" proportions of a woman's body, 90 cm / 60 cm / 90 cm, which would be 36/24/36 in inches? #906090 is a dark purple color, while #362436 would be a darker shade of purple, almost black

Well...*sitting here with a face like Simon Cowell after Paul Potts started singing*...I didn't expect that...

Congratulations to the full solution of this puzzle which I expected to be at least two lateral steps away from being finished - on your very first LTPF post!

************* SPOILER **************************

Robert was hosting a private website in the days when you could still impress folks just by having a private website.
One evening, out of boredom, he started toying around with the design, and decided to pull some macho joke nobody would get by setting the background color to RGB code #906090, referring to a woman's stereotypical "perfect" body proportions (in cm).
This resulted in a (dark) purple background, and among the reactions he got were jokes if he had joined the women's rights movement (which used the color purple as a symbol quite frequently in the 70's, not so anymore, but Robert's friends still had that association).

An American Robert, of course, would have thought in inches, and would have ended up with a very dark background which is actually a bit more purplish than I had in mind because I checked with my glasses off, but anyway resembled a mourning color.

Thanks everyone for playing - Now I should really start a new puzle soon, I ran out of them altogether =)
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Thank you! I didn't know any of the names in your post, but from what I learned by googling them, that's quite a compliment!

I have a question a puzzle, though, namely about British Robert using a purple and not blackish color: I thought Britain had adopted the metric system. Am I wrong? Or was the system adopted officially, but British people still think in inches?

Oh, and the "codes for numbers" part in my post is a typo, I meant "codes for colors", sorry if that confused anybody.
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After some Wikipedia research when faced with the question what British Robert would have done, I found that imperial units are still more common in UK in private use.

Maybe one of the Brits will tell me if I'm right...
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With Imperial/Metric we're really a bit of a mixture...


We drive in miles-per-hour, tend to refer to how many miles it is to the shops, and in sentences often refer to things being a few "yards" away...
...but we would almost always measure things in metres, centimetres or millimetres. Using inches to measure things is almost entirely left to people over 60 or trademen who still buy planks of wood in "6x4".

We buy fresh milk in pints (although European directives insist on them being labelled in litres - so my bottle of milk is labelled as 2.27 litres and, in brackets, 4 pints!). We also buy beer in pints...
...but we buy almost all other drinks - including soya milk, UHT milk, wine, spirits - in litres. I'd buy orange juice by the litre in the supermarket, but would ask for a 'pint of orange juice' if I was in a bar.

We almost always measure temperature in Celsius (C) but people over the age of about 60 often still do everything in Fahrenheit (F) so TV weather forecasters often come out with "...so that's about 61F" when the screen is showing 16C.

We measure most things in kilograms - almost everything you buy in the shops by weight would be in kilograms, supported by European directive to use metric...
...but we weigh ourselves in stone and most people know they're 11 Stone, but wouldn't know that they were 75kg...
...and recipes usually have everything in both grams and ounces as it seems to be almost 50/50 which of those people use, and not just that old people use ounces and young people use grams.

My bookcase is 2 metres tall...
...but I am 5'11".

When I worked behind the deli counter in the local supermarket, we sold everything in grams, but I would be asked many times a day for "quarter of a pound" of something, so all the deli staff knew the g/pound conversion off by heart. And various supermarkets put prices per kg and also per pound on vegetables.

In speech, we often refer to 'gallons of stuff' as being a lot of stuff...
...but we hardly buy anything by the gallon any more - petrol has been sold in litres for decades.

Sometimes for historical reasons we use imperial, for example one local swimming pool is 25m long, but another one is 25 yards long, and no-one would describe it as 22.86m long. Similarly, the "6-yard box" in football is never converted to metres, and a badminton net is 5'1" at the edge and 5" in the middle; no-one ever refers to that in metres either. Because no-one's going to rebuild the old swimming pool or change the sizes of playing courts/fields, they'll stay imperials for ages...
...but then the specified size of the holes in the badminton net, and the specified width of the lines on the court are all in mm, not inches, because changing those to metric made no discernable difference to the playing experience.

As for clothing... Gents trousers and shirts are sold in inches for waist/collar, although many younger people who buy a "30" pair of trousers probably aren't aware that it's a measurement in inches, and just know that "30" is the right size. Women's clothing is all sold in mysterious numbers that seem to bear almost no relation to the actual sizes (eg 'size 10' is not inches or cm or any real unit of length). I can't say I ever hear people refer to the 'ideal size' for women in conversation, but I suspect that it's still remembered by people in inches.

And in various situations we still use 'feet' because there really isn't a comparable useful metric equivalent. Measuring in "thirds of metres" really doesn't cut it if you're trying to explain to someone that they need to move about 2 feet to the left. Which is probably why when you play Bowls, the referee always refers to bowls as being X number of feet and inches away from the jack. But at training, I'd be asked to stand about 10m away from my training partner for a particular drill, not 10 yards away.


So it's all a bit of a muddle. Mostly we try to be metric, but some things resist conversion due to reasons of culture (like pints of beer), practical restrictions (eg badminton net height), or because they're too much part of the language (like gallons/yards used in speech even though not in actually measuring anything much). And people over about 60 tend to have a much stronger preference for imperial compared to those under about 60, though that's a very vague generalisation.
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"..at training, I'd be asked to stand about 10m away from my training partner...not 10 yards away." What about paces? Only the very tallest men have a stride of 1 meter.

OTOH, my DH, when asked to "move 2 feet to the left" can step it off, heel-to-toe. He wears a size 10 shoe. I wear a size 10 shoe, too, but not the same size 10. Shoes are measured based on peppercorns, I've heard. Who puts peppercorns in their shoes??

And why don't we measure ourselves in hands, like horses? They're something we always have handy, so to speak. Do horses still run in furlongs?

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