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Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Been a long time since my last puzzle, so I might be a bit rusty. But here goes:

Because the red light didn't work, George wasn't hit by the car.
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Was the red light a traffic light? Or a brake light on a car?
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Was the red light a traffic light? Or a brake light on a car? neither
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Red light district?
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Red light district? no
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Was the red light at home, at work, outside, near the road, on the road, anything to do with a vehicle?
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Was the red light at home, at work, outside, near the road this, on the road, anything to do with a vehicle not really?
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[previously-deleted Yojimbo is back...]
time of day relevant?
Is George a HAM?
George's occupation relevant?
Was the "red light" a permanent installation? Was it traffic-related?
[I've been to the RLD in Amsterdam, so thought of that, but recall there isn't really much vehicle traffic there. The peril, if any, seemed to be drunken tourists.]
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time of day relevant? not really
Is George a HAM? yes
George's occupation relevant? it is indeed!
Was the "red light" a permanent installation? no Was it traffic-related? no
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Was George on a pavement? In a road?
Was George a pedestrian? On a bike? In a car?
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Was George's occupation related to the red light -- e.g., an electrician, traffic engineer/technician, law enforcement, or otherwise bringing him into proximity to the roadway, or the red light?
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Was George on a pavement? yes In a road? so no
Was George a pedestrian? yes On a bike? In a car? so no

Was George's occupation related to the red light yes it was -- e.g., an electrician, traffic engineer/technician, law enforcement, but none of these or otherwise bringing him into proximity to the roadway, or the red light? but yes, he was near both the road and the light because of his job
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Was the light a neon light, like letters on a sign?
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Was the light a neon light, like letters on a sign? no
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Was it George's job to fix the broken light?
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Was it George's job to fix the broken light? no
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Is it relevant that the light was red?

Is it relevant that the light lit up the surroundings (when lit)? And that therefore because it was broken, George didn't see something he would otherwise have seen?
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Is it relevant that the light was red? yes with a slight -ish

Is it relevant that the light lit up the surroundings (when lit)? no, indeed the light did to a very small degree light up its surroundings
And that therefore because it was broken, George didn't see something he would otherwise have seen?again, the light didn't really illuminate that much
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Traffic conditions relevant ? Visibility ? Time of the day ?

Did someone get hurt ?

If the red light were working, would it light continuously ? intermittently ? would it be seen by George ? the car driver ?

Was the red light an indicator ? indicating malfunction ? indicating danger ? indicating the presence of something ?
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Traffic conditions relevant ? kind of, but don't overthink this - it might lead you astray Visibility ? not really Time of the day ? no

Did someone get hurt ? hmm, this is actually kind of hard to answer. There might have been som injuries in another situation loosely connected to this one... But it is safe to say that no one directly connected to the car, red light or George got hurt, the way things worked out. But this would not have been the case had the red light worked...

If the red light were working, would it light continuously ? well, no, not in the sense "never being turned off" itintermittently ? so this is closer, but not really the right word for it either would it be seen by George ? yes the car driver ? depends, but probably not

Was the red light an indicator ? yes indicating malfunction ? indicating danger ? indicating the presence of something ? but none of these
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More about the red light, if it were working:

Would it turn on and off automatically ? at regular intervals ? When turned on, would it typically stay on for hours ? minutes ? seconds ? less ? When turned off, would it typically stay on for hours ? minutes ? seconds ? less ?

Was the light a part of an instrument ? one that George used for his job ?

Did the car stop ? swerve ? any other change in motion ? went ahead ? without noticing George ? Did the car driver realize that George was in the danger of being hit ? Did he realize that George was not hit ? Did he care ?
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More about the red light, if it were working:

Would it turn on and off automatically ? no at regular intervals so no ? When turned on, would it typically stay on for hours ? minutes ? depends, but probably this most of the time seconds ? less ? When turned off, would it typically stay on for hours ? minutes ? seconds ? less ? this completely depends on the situation, in some cases just a few seconds, other times for several hours - or even days

Was the light a part of an instrument ? DOYD of "instrument" one that George used for his job ? but yes

Did the car stop ? swerve ? any other change in motion ? went ahead ? without noticing George ? Did the car driver realize that George was in the danger of being hit ? Did he realize that George was not hit ? Did he care ? the driver very likely drove on straight ahead without ever realizing he might have hit someone.
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Is the title of the puzzle relevant? Is music connected to the scenario?
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Is the title of the puzzle relevant? only in the way that is obvious by now: the light does not function, which was lucky for George since he wasn't hit by a car Is music connected to the scenario? no
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(sorry, something weird happened there - I saw the title as "Background Music" - there isn't even a puzzle with that name!)
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Was the light situated inside the car? Or on the outside of the car?
Or was it on some piece of equipment by the roadside?
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If the light had been working, the car would have hit George?
...because the car would have behaved differently?
...because the driver of the car would have behaved differently?
...because the car and driver would have been in a different location?
...because it would have been a different car? or a different driver?
...because George would have behaved differently?
...because George would have been in a different location?
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Was the light situated inside the car? Or on the outside of the car?
Or was it on some piece of equipment by the roadside? this is definitely the closest


If the light had been working, the car would have hit George? it probably would have, yes
...because the car would have behaved differently? no
...because the driver of the car would have behaved differently? no
...because the car and driver would have been in a different location? no
...because it would have been a different car? or a different driver? no
...because George would have behaved differently? yes!
...because George would have been in a different location? noish, depends what you mean by "location"
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(sorry, something weird happened there - I saw the title as "Background Music" - there isn't even a puzzle with that name!)BTW that is pretty odd! What's going on with these forums nowadays? Poltergeist, anyone?
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Is the red light on George's person?
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Is the red light on George's person? no
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Is George holding the red light? Is it next to him, or otherwise near him? Is it a part of something else? And to clarify: it isn't intended to make a motorist stop, as a red light at an intersection would. Correct?
Does the red light indicate that something is functioning properly?
If the red light had functioned, would George have walked into the road?
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Is George holding the red light? no Is it next to him, or otherwise near him? yes, right in front of him Is it a part of something else? yes, remember that "on a piece of equipment" was pretty accurate. And to clarify: it isn't intended to make a motorist stop, as a red light at an intersection would. Correct? no, the motorists would likely not even see it
Does the red light indicate that something is functioning properly? yesish
If the red light had functioned, would George have walked into the road? yes!
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Red/green Colour blind George?
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Red/green Colour blind George? no, George is not colour blind
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(Ooh, thought I'd landed on it then!)
So, to be clear - George was standing by the roadside - correct?
And something by the roadside had a red light on it - correct? (albeit a non-functioning one)
But not a traffic light - correct?
Was it a pedestrian crossing light?
If the red light had come on, would George have seen this as a signal that it was ok to cross the road? Would most people have assumed the same given the same scenario?
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So, to be clear - George was standing by the roadside - correct? correct
And something by the roadside had a red light on it - correct? (albeit a non-functioning one) also correct
But not a traffic light - correct? correctness hat-trick
Was it a pedestrian crossing light? no
If the red light had come on, would George have seen this as a signal that it was ok to cross the road? yope, note exactly "ok", but he would have started crossing the road after seeing it come on Would most people have assumed the same given the same scenario? if you mean, wolud most people have started to cross the street after seeing the light come on, then no, that's highly unlikely
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The red light is related specifically to George's occupation?
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The red light is related specifically to George's occupation? it is, yes
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The red light is part of a device?
Does the device involve control or assessment of traffic flow?
Does it have other lights on it? Buttons or switches? Readouts or other displays? Moving parts?
Railroad crossings relevant?
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Would it be correct to say that the red light is something which alerts George to some activity or condition unconnected to the fact that traffic may or may not be moving along the road?
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Oh, I came across an LTPF list of occupations on my own hard-drive. Let's have a go at George's?

Artistic / musical / writer
Banking / financial / real estate
Clerical / Administrative
Computer related / Hardware
Construction / Craftsman
Criminal / Questionable Repute
Education / Academic Research
Entertainment / Media
Environmental / Outdoors / Nature
Executive / Management
Hospitality / Travel
Legal Services
Manufacturing / Distributions
Medical / Health Services
Politics / Government / Military
Sales / Marketing
Technical / Science / Engineering
Teaching / Child care
Transportation
Food Service
Other?
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The red light is part of a device? you could call it that
Does the device involve control or assessment of traffic flow? nope
Does it have other lights on it? possibly Buttons or switches? absolutely Readouts or other displays? displays are involved, yes Moving parts? yesish
Railroad crossings relevant? in no way

Would it be correct to say that the red light is something which alerts George to some activity or condition unconnected to the fact that traffic may or may not be moving along the road? this would be a very accurate description

Oh, I came across an LTPF list of occupations on my own hard-drive. Let's have a go at George's? veerrry sneaky! ;) good idea!!

Artistic / musical / writer
Banking / financial / real estate
Clerical / Administrative
Computer related / Hardware
Construction / Craftsman
Criminal / Questionable Repute
Education / Academic Research
Entertainment / Media this would be the closest
Environmental / Outdoors / Nature
Executive / Management
Hospitality / Travel
Legal Services
Manufacturing / Distributions
Medical / Health Services
Politics / Government / Military
Sales / Marketing
Technical / Science / Engineering
Teaching / Child care
Transportation
Food Service
Other?
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George involved with a television crew? Is he a reporter? Cameraman?
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George involved with a television crew? Is he a reporter? indeed! :D Cameraman?

Good job! Getting close now, I think.
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Was the red light part of a camera? Did it indicate that the camera was "active?"
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Was the red light part of a camera? Did it indicate that the camera was "active?" yes and yes!
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"Oh, I came across an LTPF list of occupations on my own hard-drive. Let's have a go at George's? veerrry sneaky! ;)"

Aha, that was indeed veeeeerrrrrry sneaky! :-o

So it looks as if George was a reporter, reporting from the scene of some news story that happened to be at the side of a road. He probably had his back to the road, facing the camera and cameraman. Blatently ignoring the Green Cross Code, he put full faith in the cameraman to indicate to him when it was safe for him to walk backwards into the road to be in the right place to look good on camera - as soon as the camera went on, George would walk back into the road. The cameraman was a dufus and didn't look properly, and turned his camera on when it wasn't safe for George to walk back into the road. Had the light worked, George would have known the camera had been turned on, and would have walked back and - SLAM - become a speedbump. But because the light didn't work, George thought the camera was off, so stayed put and survived as a car drove by right behind him. And then probably got told off by his boss for not being ready for his piece to camera.

Or something along those lines?
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So it looks as if George was a reporter, reporting from the scene of some news story that happened to be at the side of a road. He probably had his back to the road, facing the camera and cameraman. Blatently ignoring the Green Cross Code, he put full faith in the cameraman to indicate to him when it was safe for him to walk backwards into the road to be in the right place to look good on camera - as soon as the camera went on, George would walk back into the road. The cameraman was a dufus and didn't look properly, and turned his camera on when it wasn't safe for George to walk back into the road. Had the light worked, George would have known the camera had been turned on, and would have walked back and - SLAM - become a speedbump. But because the light didn't work, George thought the camera was off, so stayed put and survived as a car drove by right behind him. And then probably got told off by his boss for not being ready for his piece to camera. and that sums it up very well, I think! Actually a way better summary than my own!



******SPOILER******

George is a news reporter who is reporting from an ongoing riot in a city. His intention is to cross the street and move in closer to the riot while he is reporting to the camera. A speeding car is approaching, though, and would have hit him had he stepped into the street. BUT the little red light that shows whether the camera is on isn't working, so George doesn't realize he is supposed to start, thus waiting just long enough for the car to pass.


For further details and a well-placed scolding of all the reckless persons involved, see Psydkik's summary above. ;)


Good solve! Especially congrats to Psydkik for wrapping it up and to Yojimbo for working out the vital clue with that sneaky, sneaky list.

Thanks for playing!
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Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 3:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice denouement. Particularly nice summary, Psydkik, but where I come from, the cameraman's appellation would be spelled "doofus."
And are you guys cracking on me for that list? At least I didn't invoke [LTPF list of all the occupations on the planet]. I'd recommend puzzlers copy the list and save it for further use; I think I found it in a puzzle on this forum, sometime ago, long before the LTPF WTF.
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 4:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And are you guys cracking on me for that list?
Not at all! I mean "sneaky" in the most positive manner possible - you solved the puzzle with it, and LTPF lists are perfectly acceptable solving tools. :D
Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 4:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well, then, thanks for your compliment.
I indeed appreciate a posted list, rather than an invoked list. Invoking a list can just be an egregious form of laziness, although I did recently invoke the [LTPF list of continents], but as the quantity of same is so discreet, I was just saving us all time.
I also recently extracted orders of birds from another exhaustive list, and posted that, feeling that it was more "fair-play" than merely asking about all birds on earth. Deployment of lists is an interesting "ethical" issue, isn't it?
Psydkik (Psydkik)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ah, yes, the birdy list appeared in my 'Infection' puzzle. In some way it feels like a bit of a shortcut to the answer, but in another way it's fairly inevitable - if you know someone's profession's important then you can either go through the performance of trying to narrow it down bit by bit, or just go for a list. It might be fun to do it bit-by-bit the first time you do it, but probably wears thin after the seventeenth puzzle where someone has a profession and it's important to find out which. And after all I guess you'll eventually just work out some other efficient series of questions that leads you to the right profession, so you might as well just cut to the chase and give a list.

Same with the birdies on my puzzle - there are only a set number of bird types in the world, so it's only a matter of time before it is narrowed down to a particular one, so you might as well just go for the list :-D

Challenge is to the people setting the puzzles to come up with puzzles that can't be solved quickly with lists - which inspires me to try to think of some! :-D
Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My son and I are professional gardeners, and while working together, we kick around these lateral puzzles ["Pelican Soup" is an all-time favorite]. As this one had been $poiled this morning, I brought it along, and without invoking a list, after having asked whether George's occupation was relevant, he promptly asked, "Entertainment industry?" Then, he rather briskly learned that part of his job involved acquiring information, and immediately arrived at George's job, and the red light on the camera followed soon after.
There are, indeed, different ways to crack a nut. He used the clever squirrel approach, but I went at it with a hammer.
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 6:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haha, wow, that's impressive. There are different approaches indeed, and different personalities use different strategies. That's part of the fun of the puzzles - you never know how quickly a puzzle will be solved. Sometimes people will stumble around for an eternity at something you thought was a quickie because they never start asking the one type of question that will give it all away.
Kalira (Kalira)
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Posted on Monday, October 07, 2013 - 6:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yojimbo, your LTPF list of professional fields is actually on the Wiki page as well (hyperlinked there). Everyone should feel free to take a gander at it from time to time :-)

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