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Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 11:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, boy! A "man lies dead" puzzle!

A father buys some chips (British: crisps) for his daughter, which she eats. As a result, he and his 2 sons lie dead of poisoning, while his daughter survives in perfect health. How did this happen?
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the daughter present when the father bought the chips? were the sons present?

Was the father present when the daughter ate the chips? were the sons present?

Relevant how much time passes between the father buying and the daughter eating the chips?

Relevant how much time passes between the daughter eating the chips and the men dying?

Relevant where the father bought the chips? where the daughter ate them? where the father and his sons died?

Is the daughter a toddler? child? teenager? adult?
Same questions for the sons.
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the daughter present when the father bought the chips? were the sons present? irrelevant in both cases

Was the father present when the daughter ate the chips? no were the sons present? no

Relevant how much time passes between the father buying and the daughter eating the chips? no

Relevant how much time passes between the daughter eating the chips and the men dying? yesish

Relevant where the father bought the chips? no where the daughter ate them? yes where the father and his sons died? yope

Is the daughter a toddler? child? this, for the sake of the puzzle, but otherwise irrelevant teenager? adult? no to rest
Same questions for the sons.
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Correction: 'where the daughter ate them? yes where the father and his sons died? yope' should read:

'where the daughter ate them? yope where the father and his sons died? yes'

Also,

Same questions for the sons. same answer as for the daughter
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the man and his sons all die at the same time? In the same location?

The amount of time between the daughter eating the chips and the men dying: seconds? minutes? hours? days? weeks? months? years?

Did she eat the chips at home? at school? at somebody else's private residence? in a public building? indoors? outdoors?

Did the father and his sons die where the daughter had eaten the chips?

Did the chips contain the poison?
Did the men die of food poisoning? heavy metal poisoning? gas poisoning? drug poisoning? alcohol poisoning?

Were the men poisoned deliberately? accidentally? Did they commit suicide?

Any other people involved?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the man and his sons all die at the same time? yes In the same location? yes

The amount of time between the daughter eating the chips and the men dying: seconds? minutes? hours? days? most likely this weeks? months? years? no to rest

Did she eat the chips at home? no at school? at somebody else's private residence? in a public building? indoors? outdoors? all others irrelevant

Did the father and his sons die where the daughter had eaten the chips? no

Did the chips contain the poison? no
Did the men die of food poisoning? heavy metal poisoning? gas poisoning? this drug poisoning? alcohol poisoning? no to rest

Were the men poisoned deliberately? no accidentally? yes Did they commit suicide? no

Any other people involved? no

Good questions.
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, the location where the girl ate the chips is relevant only insofar as she didn't eat them at home, right?

Did the men die at home? If so, in the living room? kitchen? bathroom? bedroom? hallway? pantry? basement? garage? front yard? back yard? car?

Did the gas come from a leaking pipe?
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, the location where the girl ate the chips is relevant only insofar as she didn't eat them at home, right? right!

Did the men die at home? yes If so, in the living room? yes kitchen? bathroom? bedroom? hallway? pantry? basement? garage? front yard? back yard? car? no to rest

Did the gas come from a leaking pipe? no
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the father and sons die at home? In a public place?
Were they murdered?
Did the daughter eat the chips at home? In a public place?
If she hadn't eaten the chips, would the fellows have died?
Was the poisoning accidental? Suicide?
Did the father kill the sons and himself?
Was one of the sons the killer?
Is the father's occupation relevant?
Is the mother at all involved?
Is the daughter present when her brothers and father die?
Passage of time between chip-eating and poison-dying: minutes? hours? a day? a few days? a week? a few weeks? longer?
If father had bought another type of food, or other item in general, would he and his sons still have died?
Is the poison a common household item [e.g., bleach, etc.]?
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ah, I was composing my previous post while the others were already going up...
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the deadly gas natural gas, or propane? carbon monoxide?
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 1:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the father and sons die at home? yes In a public place? no
Were they murdered? no
Did the daughter eat the chips at home? no In a public place? irrelevant
If she hadn't eaten the chips, would the fellows have died? no
Was the poisoning accidental? yes Suicide? no
Did the father kill the sons and himself? no
Was one of the sons the killer? no
Is the father's occupation relevant? no
Is the mother at all involved? no
Is the daughter present when her brothers and father die? no
Passage of time between chip-eating and poison-dying: minutes? hours? possibly a day? likely a few days? also likely a week? a few weeks? longer? no to rest
If father had bought another type of food, or other item in general, would he and his sons still have died? the likelihood would decrease
Is the poison a common household item [e.g., bleach, etc.]? as in, common household moveable consumer good? no
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 1:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the deadly gas natural gas, or propane? carbon monoxide? this
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 1:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the CO a product of a wood fire, as in a stove or fireplace? charcoal? was their home on fire?
was the stove or fireplace flue faulty or otherwise disabled?
were there other fumes involved? were the fellows asleep?
per the puzzle statement, it seems that the chips - or their purchase - is/are somehow associated with the generation of the CO. Is that correct?
thanks for answering all my previous Q's, especially the ones that included information which had already determined.
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 1:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the CO a product of a wood no fire yes, as in a stove or fireplace this? charcoal? this is closestwas their home on fire?
was the stove or fireplace flue faulty or otherwise disabled? no
were there other fumes involved? no were the fellows asleep? Apparently not (this is a true incident)
per the puzzle statement, it seems that the chips - or their purchase - is/are somehow associated with the generation of the CO. Is that correct? yope :P
thanks for answering all my previous Q's, especially the ones that included information which had already determined. No worries. I just hope the answers are consistent. I've gotten into trouble for their not being so, in the past
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 1:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, and their house wasn't on fire.
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 2:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were they using a charcoal grill, or a barbecue, to heat their home, but were unaware that the fumes could kill them?
it does happen...
is the reason why the daughter wasn't at home relevant?
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 2:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were they using a charcoal grill, or a barbecue, to heat their home, but were unaware that the fumes could kill them? no
it does happen... After solving the albatross soup puzzle, I'm willing to suspend disbelief to remarkable extents
is the reason why the daughter wasn't at home relevant? no
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 4:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the burning charcoal or other combustible intended to provide warmth, or intended for cooking? Was it an "open" fire, or in a [supposedly] closed unit?
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So, is it relevant what kind of chips they were? How they looked? Tasted? Smelled? Did the girl eat them all? Or did anyone else get a taste? Would events still have passed the way they did if her father had bought them for her but she had not eaten them? If she had only eaten half of them? If she had shared them with one brother, is it likely that brother would have survived too?
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Just before the three men died, did they have those chips in the house ? Leftover chips from the earlier purchase for the daughter ? Another set of chips purchased later ? Did they plan to eat the chips ?
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Would there have been the same outcome if the chips had come in different packaging?
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Was the girl leaving the house a consequence of the father buying the crisps (I'm British!)? Or simply that he bought crisps which the girl went on to eat, which happened to be out of the house?
Did something relevant happen involving the packet after consumption?
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 9:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yojimbo:

was the burning charcoal or other combustible intended to provide warmth this, or intended for cooking? no Was it an "open" fire no, or in a [supposedly] closed unit? yes

Jondahr:

So, is it relevant what kind of chips they were? no How they looked? Tasted? Smelled? no to all Did the girl eat them all? yes, but largely irrelevant Or did anyone else get a taste? not relevantly Would events still have passed the way they did if her father had bought them for her but she had not eaten them? no If she had only eaten half of them? yope If she had shared them with one brother, is it likely that brother would have survived too? no

Amol:

Just before the three men died, did they have those chips in the house ? no Leftover chips from the earlier purchase for the daughter ? no Another set of chips purchased later ? no Did they plan to eat the chips ? no

Psydkik:

Would there have been the same outcome if the chips had come in different packaging? no!

I may have to ban you :P.

Plebeian:

Was the girl leaving the house a consequence of the father buying the crisps no (I'm British!) ?An aside: New Zealand's subject to cultural influences from the UK, US and Australia. On the positive side, this results in a broad comprehension of dialects. On the negative side, it means that there's nothing on television except 4 different localisations of MasterChef (including our own).

Or simply that he bought crisps which the girl went on to eat, which happened to be out of the house? yes
Did something relevant happen involving the packet after consumption? yes!
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Posted on Friday, October 04, 2013 - 1:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the chips packaging relevant in the generation of the CO? is it somehow blocking the flue?
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Posted on Friday, October 04, 2013 - 1:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the chips packaging relevant in the generation of the CO? yes is it somehow blocking the flue? yes

Anyone want to administer the death blow?
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So they tried to burn the chip bag in the fireplace to dispose of it, but it blocked the flue when burning up (or it didn't burn and just plugged the darn thing anyway) and the guys in the house died from carbon monoxide?
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Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2013 - 10:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So they tried to burn the chip bag in the fireplace to dispose of it, but it blocked the flue when burning up (or it didn't burn and just plugged the darn thing anyway) and the guys in the house died from carbon monoxide? yes, indeed

***** SPOILER *****

The daughter had taken the chips to another place in order to eat them (in a tupperware container, perhaps, or had taken a single packet of chips from a larger multi-pack), and the original packaging had gone on the fire at home, while the father and sons were in the lounge. Unfortunately, the packet had gone on the fire as it was cooling, and was blown into the flue rather than burning up. It subsequently blocked the flue and filled the lounge with carbon monoxide, killing the father and sons.


Based on the following true story: http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/10695202.Dad_and_two_children_died_after_discarded_snack_packet_got_stuck_in_chimney/

Congratulations to all who took part.

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