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Alexanderhamilton (Alexanderhamilton)
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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 5:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man recently asked his employer to fire him, much to the chagrin of his coworkers. Why?

This is a true story, fwiw
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Did the man want his employer to terminate his employment?
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Anything to do with sports?
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Did he expect the employer to fire him? Was there any collusion between the man and his employer?

Are his coworkers chagrined because they would miss the man/his contribution to their business? Because the man's being fired or asking to be fired caused them additional problems, whether foreseen or not? Because they wished they'd thought of this tactic first?
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Did the man want his employer to terminate his employment? Yes

Anything to do with sports? No

Did he expect the employer to fire him? PossiblyWas there any collusion between the man and his employer? No

Are his coworkers chagrined because they would miss the man/his contribution to their business? No Because the man's being fired or asking to be fired caused them additional problems, whether foreseen or not? Yes Because they wished they'd thought of this tactic first? No
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Did his colleagues think they'd have to work harder to cover the work he left behind?

Did the man enjoy working at the company (or whatever it was he was working for)?

Had the man done something which would be considered an offence worthy of being fired?
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Did his colleagues think they'd have to work harder to cover the work he left behind? No

Did the man enjoy working at the company (or whatever it was he was working for)? Yope

Had the man done something which would be considered an offence worthy of being fired? No
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Is some bet involved ?

Would being fired by the employer mean the man won't have to give a notice ? would he get some other monetary benefit ?

Had the man got another job ?

Is the total number of employees relevant ? the size of the company ?

Were the others unhappy because the man will leave with some incomplete work ?
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Is some bet involved ? No

Would being fired by the employer mean the man won't have to give a notice ? would he get some other monetary benefit ? No

Had the man got another job ? No

Is the total number of employees relevant ?Noish
the size of the company ? Yope, FA

Were the others unhappy because the man will leave with some incomplete work ? No
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Was this a family business?

Is the reason for the incident a family squabble?

If so, does the employee's leaving disqualify the business from some future benefit? Deprive them of some current relevant status?
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Was this a family business? No

Is the reason for the incident a family squabble? No

If so, does the employee's leaving disqualify the business from some future benefit? No Deprive them of some current relevant status? No
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Did the employer expect being asked to fire the man? Did the employer want to fire the man?
Did the man need to quit the job as a result of employer's decision (as opposed for example to man resigning himself)?
Did the man expect to gain financially on this incident?
Would the man still have asked for being fired if it had made his coworkers happy?
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Did the employer expect being asked to fire the man? No Did the employer want to fire the man? Yope
Did the man need to quit the job as a result of employer's decision (as opposed for example to man resigning himself)? No
Did the man expect to gain financially on this incident? No
Would the man still have asked for being fired if it had made his coworkers happy? Yes
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Did the man do something, that caused employer to fire him (besides just asking)?
Did the man tell something that caused employer to fire him (besides just asking)? If yes, did he tell it to the employer? Someone else?
Did the man justify his request? If yes, is it relevant how?
Did employer's attitude towards the man change? As a result of his request?
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Did the man do something, that caused employer to fire him (besides just asking)? No
Did the man tell something that caused employer to fire him (besides just asking)? No If yes, did he tell it to the employer? Someone else?
Did the man justify his request? YesIf yes, is it relevant how? Yes
Did employer's attitude towards the man change? Noish As a result of his request? Noish
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Was the man simply trying to make a point about the (in)actions of management? Did he do something worthy of being fired because he knew that they wouldn't fire him? Did his coworkers not believe him?
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Was the man simply trying to make a point about the (in)actions of management? YesishDid he do something worthy of being fired because he knew that they wouldn't fire him? NoDid his coworkers not believe him? No
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Would the coworkers' jobs be affected if the man is fired ?
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Would the coworkers' jobs be affected if the man is fired ? Yes
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ObamaCare relevant? Him getting fired would take the company below 50 people, so they wouldn't have to offer healthcare? Some similar law along those lines?
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Some more questions: if the man had simply quit, would his co-workers have been so upset? Or was it not possible for him to simply quit? (Answer the first question as if it were possible even if it wasn't, please)
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ObamaCare relevant? Him getting fired would take the company below 50 people, so they wouldn't have to offer healthcare? Some similar law along those lines? Good one! But no to all

if the man had simply quit, would his co-workers have been so upset? No Or was it not possible for him to simply quit? Yope
(Answer the first question as if it were possible even if it wasn't, please)
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So, let's see... he did __________, asked to be fired, and justified it by revealing ________?
He did this to prove a point about management behavior. Was ___________ something that others were doing that he disagreed with, that he was exposing through his actions?
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 9:15 pm:
So, let's see... he did __________, asked to be fired, and justified it by revealing ________? Not really
He did this to prove a point about management behavior. Was ___________ something that others were doing that he disagreed with, that he was exposing through his actions? Yesish
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Did the man do something that should result in his being fired, but the employer did not fire him? Would any of his colleagues have asked for being fired if he/she had been in the man's situation? Would a woman have asked for being fired if she had been in the man's situation?
Did the man want to protest against employer's policy towards particular group of workers?
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Is the Title relevant? Is this connected to The Apprentice?
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Did the man do something that should result in his being fired, but the employer did not fire him? No Would any of his colleagues have asked for being fired if he/she had been in the man's situation? Apparently not Would a woman have asked for being fired if she had been in the man's situation? Yes
Did the man want to protest against employer's policy towards particular group of workers? Yope

Is the Title relevant? Only in that the puzzle is about firing Is this connected to The Apprentice?No
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Is the relevant group of workers:
determined by race?
determined by gender?
determined by political views?
determined by sexual preferences?
determined by religion?
Is the relevant group pregnant women?
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Is the relevant group of workers:
determined by race?
determined by gender?
determined by political views?
determined by sexual preferences?
determined by religion?
Is the relevant group pregnant women?

I'll save you some time and confusion and say the particular group of workers is the man and his co-workers
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Are there other workers in the company than man and his co-workers?
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Were the workers all engaged in similar practices, which the man thought wrong?
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Are there other workers in the company than man and his co-workers? Yes, with a FA

Were the workers all engaged in similar practices, which the man thought wrong? No
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Did the policy the man yopeishly protested against concern hiring? firing? payments? holidays? how the work is divided among people? equimpent they work with? workplace conditions?
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Did the policy the man yopeishly protested against concern hiring? Yopishly this firing? payments? holidays? how the work is divided among people? And yopishly this, no to the rest equimpent they work with? workplace conditions?
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Did the employer actually fire him?
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Did the employer actually fire him? Last I heard, no. Irrelevant
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Were the new workers (just hired) offered better conditions than experienced workers? Was the man (and his coworkers) given more work than they could do? Was there no work to do for man and his coworkers?
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Were the new workers (just hired) offered better conditions than experienced workers? NoWas the man (and his coworkers) given more work than they could do? No Was there no work to do for man and his coworkers? Yes
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Did the man ask his employer to fire him because there was nothing for him to do?
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Did the man ask his employer to fire him because there was nothing for him to do?
More or less
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Were man's coworkers upset because they expected more work as a result of his actions? Would they prefer to keep doing nothing?
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Were man's coworkers upset because they expected more work as a result of his actions? No Would they prefer to keep doing nothing? Yes, wouldn't we all?
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Did the man and his coworkers receive salary only for work done (no work to do = no money)?
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Did the man and his coworkers receive salary only for work done (no work to do = no money)? No, they're salaried employees
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Did the man want to get something to do? Wouldn't he prefer to keep doing nothing, as his coworkers would?
Did something important to the man depend on his achievements at work? Did the man have another job waiting for him?
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Did the man want to get something to do? Wouldn't he prefer to keep doing nothing, as his coworkers would?
Did something important to the man depend on his achievements at work? Did the man have another job waiting for him? No to all
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Did any relevant event happen that prompted the man to go and ask to be fired? Was someone hired?
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Did any relevant event happen that prompted the man to go and ask to be fired? Was someone hired? No to both
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Was the man a professional sportsman?
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Gah, Undo. Undo. Just noticed we asked that ages ago!
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Does the man work for a company? A government? A private individual?
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Does the man work for a company? A government? This A private individual?
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So was the man's boss...
A civil servant?
And MP?
Prime Minister?
President?
and is this relevant?
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So was the man's boss... I'll presume we're talking about his boss in the puzzle statement
A civil servant?
And MP? Close...
Prime Minister?
President?
None of these... and is this relevant? Very
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Would this be UK government?
Or US government?
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Was the man himself a politician?
Would the act of sacking him have an effect on the make-up of the government, over and above the simple fact that he wasn't employed by them any longer?
Would the government majority be affected?
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Would this be UK government?
Or US government? US government, and relevant

Was the man himself a politician? No
Would the act of sacking him have an effect on the make-up of the government, over and above the simple fact that he wasn't employed by them any longer? Not in any meaningful way
Would the government majority be affected? No
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So a Senator? Congressman? Mayor?
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Posted on Monday, October 21, 2013 - 3:51 pm:
So a Senator? Congressman? Mayor? It was Congress as a whole
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Sorry, I've not been clear - was the employee a Congressman?
Or the "boss" was Congress?
Was he some kind of secretary? Or Intern?
(I'm not familiar enough with US politics to make a distinction)
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Sorry, I've not been clear - was the employee a Congressman?
Or the "boss" was Congress?
Was he some kind of secretary? Or Intern?
(I'm not familiar enough with US politics to make a distinction)

He wasn't directly employed by Congress, but was a member of the federal government. For some reason, he had to ask all 535 members of Congress to fire him, rather than his direct superior. Hope that helps.
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Did he work in a position elected/appointed by Congress? Did firing him require voting?
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Did he work in a position elected/appointed by Congress? No Did firing him require voting? No, his superior could have fired him. Why go through Congress then?
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To show the problem to the public opinion?
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To show the problem to the public opinion? Yes

You've pretty much got it now, but there's one missing piece: there's a particular reason his coworkers were as angry as they were
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Were man's coworkers not willing to let people know they have nothing to do? Were they afraid that public opinion may demand their being fired too?
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Were man's coworkers not willing to let people know they have nothing to do? Were they afraid that public opinion may demand their being fired too? Yes to both, but there's a specific reason they thought they might be fired
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Would him bringing this to a public arena mean that people would find out that his colleagues:
- had committed a crime?
- had lied?
- had made a significant mistake in work they'd done?
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Would him bringing this to a public arena mean that people would find out that his colleagues:
- had committed a crime?
- had lied?
- had made a significant mistake in work they'd done? No to all
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Is there a relevant regulation which means that firing a man required firing all his coworkers?
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They had a more specific reason for fearing being fired that that the public would be aware that they were employed for doing nothing?

Were they doing nothing and claiming expenses for it?
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Is there a relevant regulation which means that firing a man required firing all his coworkers? No

They had a more specific reason for fearing being fired that that the public would be aware that they were employed for doing nothing? Yes

Were they doing nothing and claiming expenses for it? No

CORRECTION: Now, that I look at it, the initial puzzle statement is misleading. It isn't really the case that his co-workers were chagrined because the man asked his employer to fire him.
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Did the man's request to his employers involve more than just the request to fire him? Also to fire his colleagues? Or to do something else to them they wouldn't enjoy?
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Did the man suggest the whole department for which they worked performed a redundant task?
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Did the man's request to his employers involve more than just the request to fire him? Yes Also to fire his colleagues? Yes Or to do something else to them they wouldn't enjoy? Yes

Did the man suggest the whole department for which they worked performed a redundant task? This is exactly it.

**********SPOILER*************
This past summer, federal employee Mike Marsh wrote Congress asking that he be fired, but in particular, he thought his entire job and department should be eliminated. As you probably know, for the past five years or so there have been intense political arguments over how and where to cut the American federal government's budget. Mike, who worked for an obscure agency designed to promote business in Alaska set up by a powerful Alaskan Senator, could not in good conscience allow it continue, and begged that the money be put elsewhere. Needless to say, his coworkers were less than happy with the idea.

The sad part is that Mike is almost certainly guaranteed to fail. A different Alaskan Senator will be facing a tough reelection next fall, and killing an agency designed to promote business in the state doesn't exactly get voters excited. I read Mike's story in the Washington Post a month ago, and highly suggest you do the same: http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-09-26/politics/42423034_1_economic-development-agency-washington-post-alaska-afl-cio
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Although Senator Stevens left office in shame - a scandal - and then died when a plane he was on slammed into terrain - he was the one who put forth the "200-mile limit," preventing foreign fisheries from plundering the abundant North Pacific off US shores. In my region, those who know of this write off his legislative pandering, and praise him for that one great act, which secures billions of dollars for the US economy.
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If I recall correctly, the prosecution team against Senator Stevens hid evidence that exonerated him, and they were all disbarred while he was posthumously exonerated. With the scandal, he barely lost reelection and was prevented from dying as he lived, a U.S. Senator. I'm prepared to cut his memory a little slack on that count alone.

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