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Posted on Friday, October 04, 2013 - 9:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Paul is a fireman. Gary thinks that Paul is a policeman. Why?
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Presumably, Gary doesn't know Paul, or if so, not that well.
At the time of Gary's misperception, is Paul on duty?
Is Gary's occupation relevant? If so, is he on duty aAt the time of his misperception?
Is there a relevant incident? Anything on fire?
Traffic control relevant?
Relevant whether this is FYOE? or FYOI?
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Is Paul on duty when Gary makes the assumption? Do they know each other? Have Gary actually seen Paul? Spoken to him? Have they only met once? Or several times? Or not at all?

Relevant what kind of fireman Paul is?

Are there any relevant facts about Gary we should figure out?

Oh, and are they both HAM?
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Whoops, cross-posted with Yojimbo there.
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Two hammers might crack nuts faster...
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Yojimbo:

Presumably, Gary doesn't know Paul, or if so, not that well. Correct

At the time of Gary's misperception, is Paul on duty? No

Is Gary's occupation relevant? Yes

If so, is he on duty aAt the time of his misperception? Yes

Is there a relevant incident? There was a moment of misperception, which I suppose is a 'relevant incident'; depends on definition of 'incident'.

Anything on fire? No

Traffic control relevant? No

Relevant whether this is FYOE? or FYOI? Not relevant - but let's say 'based on a true story' ;-)


Jondahr:

Is Paul on duty when Gary makes the assumption? No

Do they know each other? Not really

Have Gary actually seen Paul? No

Spoken to him? No

Have they only met once? Or several times? Or not at all? Not at all

Relevant what kind of fireman Paul is? No

Are there any relevant facts about Gary we should figure out? Yes

Oh, and are they both HAM? Yes, both human adult males
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Is Gary a reporter?
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Does Gary hear about Paul? Read about him? Is this the first time he's heard about him?
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Yojimbo:

Is Gary a reporter? No - you're welcome to get ready a list to invoke though :-)

Jondahr:

Does Gary hear about Paul? 'hear' as in 'audibly'? No

Read about him? Yes

Is this the first time he's heard about him? As in 'audibly'? He didn't hear about him. As in 'learned of his existence'? Yes
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..."No - you're welcome to get ready a list to invoke though :-)" -- As you know, I already have The List, but am holding back.
Is Gary engaged in law enforcement or public safety?
Did Gary read an article about Paul?
Had Paul done something notable [e.g., heroic], and was thus featured in the media?
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Yojimbo:

Is Gary engaged in law enforcement or public safety? No, but he does wear a uniform

Did Gary read an article about Paul? No

Had Paul done something notable [e.g., heroic], and was thus featured in the media? No
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Is Gary employed by:
a hospital?
the military?
the food industry?
the transportation industry?
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Yojimbo:
a hospital? No
the military? No
the food industry? No
the transportation industry? Not exactly, but this is the closest of the four
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Does Gary operate a vehicle, or otherwise use one in his work?
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Yojimbo:

Does Gary operate a vehicle, or otherwise use one in his work? Many of his profession use either a van or a bicycle in addition to their own feet, though some might just walk - not really relevant which of those Gary himself uses, but let's say he's one of the ones that drives a van as well as walking.
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Ah -- he's a letter carrier, a postman.
Does he deliver mail to Paul's residence?
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Assuming my last post is on-target, notice I got by without The List. I feel good about myself.
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Yojimbo:

Assuming my last post is on-target, notice I got by without The List. Keenly noted! :-)
I feel good about myself. And so you should, because...


Ah -- he's a letter carrier, a postman. Yes

Does he deliver mail to Paul's residence? Yes
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and the mail includes letters from the Policemen's Benevolent Association, and things like that?
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it's a stutter-post -- in my excitement, I left the next bit out...
...but the mail contains nothing, or very little, pertaining to firefighters?
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Yojimbo:

and the mail includes letters from the Policemen's Benevolent Association, and things like that? It doesn't, no

...but the mail contains nothing, or very little, pertaining to firefighters? Correct - nothing
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Does the post indicate to Gary something that makes him think Paul is a policeman?
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Yojimbo:

Does the post indicate to Gary something that makes him think Paul is a policeman? Yes
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Does Paul's post include catalogs of law enforcement equipment, or other police-related or police-specific items, such as "Police Weekly" magazine?
Or is Gary making assumptions based on something else in the post?
Anything about Paul's mail receptacle relevant?
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Does Paul's middle name begin with C?
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Yojimbo:

Does Paul's post include catalogs of law enforcement equipment, or other police-related or police-specific items, such as "Police Weekly" magazine? No

Or is Gary making assumptions based on something else in the post? Well, something other than police-weekly magazines, yes

Anything about Paul's mail receptacle relevant? No


Wizardofnz:

Does Paul's middle name begin with C?
Paul's full name is:
Paul Christopher Patrick Harris
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Is Paul receiving mail from the police?
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Yojimbo:

Is Paul receiving mail from the police? No
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I've done a quick check of international friends and it seems there's a small chance you may struggle with one of the steps in this puzzle if you're from some parts of USA or Canada. But not other parts - all seems a bit random. I suspect from what I've read that you won't struggle if you're from New Zealand ;-)
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I'm from the NW USA, and indeed, the situation doesn't make sense, which, considering your post, heightens the intrigue. I'll think it over today...
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I can see from your latest answer that Gary might think Paul was a limited liability builders merchants company in Northampton. Assuming his full name is relevant, might he make the assumption that he was a police officer along similar lines? Or should I really drop this line of enquiry?
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Wizardofnz:

I can see from your latest answer that Gary might think Paul was a limited liability builders merchants company in Northampton. Assuming his full name is relevant, might he make the assumption that he was a police officer along similar lines? Or should I really drop this line of enquiry?
Your line of enquiry is spot on, and it is entirely possible that under circumstances only a tiny gap different, Paul might have been mistaken for a builders merchants for the same reason. So I'm confident enough to pass you this Hat of Smugness which you can wear while others enjoy the heightened intrigue! *passes over hat*
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Are (some of) Paul's initials relevant? Does he go by the initials of his first two names when receiving mail? I seem to recall... am I right in presuming that PC stands for something police-related in the UK? Police Constable (or something along those lines)?
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Kalira:

Are (some of) Paul's initials relevant? Yes

Does he go by the initials of his first two names when receiving mail? Not deliberately

I seem to recall... am I right in presuming that PC stands for something police-related in the UK? Police Constable (or something along those lines)? You are correct. "PC" in the UK can mean "Police Constable". (And "WPC" can mean "Woman Police Constable", though why we use a separate term for them, rather than calling them all PC's, baffles me)

I feel the end is nigh for this puzzle now!
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Is some of Paul's mail addressed to "PCP Harris," or maybe just "PC Harris?" So Gary assumes he's a constable? Something along those lines?
off in my corner of the world, Paul's first name would have to be "Officer" for a similar mistake to happen. Nice insight by Kalira.
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Yojimbo:

Is some of Paul's mail addressed to "PCP Harris," or maybe just "PC Harris?" So Gary assumes he's a constable? Something along those lines?
Yes, something along those lines - though actually with more random spacing: "PC P Harris".


***************Spoiler***************

Gary has just started work as the postman who delivers post to Paul's house.

Paul's full name is "Paul Christopher Patrick Harris".

Since Gary started work, Paul has only had one item of post - a delivery from an internet company. When he ordered it, Paul filled his name in as "P C P Harris". Due to a slight mis-translation somewhere in the administrative bowels of the company - probably because they couldn't cope with two middle initials - this got written as "PC P Harris".

When Gary delivered this parcel, and knowing the chap happened to be called Paul, he assumed that this stood for "Police Constable Paul Harris".


[This is sort-of a true story. A relative of mine has four initials to his name, the first two of which are "PC". He has before now had post addressed in just this format "PC P Harris", where it appears that the company had put down "PC" instead of "Mr", and then put his other middle name as his first name. The bit that's not true is that he's not actually called Paul, he's not a fireman, and it didn't confuse the postman - at least, not to my knowledge!

Another common mistake from companies not being careful with names is that he gets post in the format "Paul C Patrick-Harris", where the second middle name gets turned into a double-barrelled surname. Plus there's the "Paul Cp Harris", where somehow the middle two initials turn into a two-letter middle name. And the "Paul C Patrick", where the three names in the 'forenames' box get put in, and the 'surname' box seems to get ignored completely by the data entry person reading an application form. And perhaps more often, just "Paul C Harris" because they can't cope with two middle names so just delete 25% of his name completely. Silly thing is that it's not even that uncommon to have two middle names, so it's odd that company software can't cope with it.]


Good team effort for the hard graft of narrowing it down to the postal situation, and then that last step for the prize :-)
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Good puzzle, with a nice lateral leap! This reminds me of my teenage goal to become a private investigator-turned-member of parliament, so I could have all official correspondence mailed to Steve Wort, P.I. M.P. Then I, you know, grew up.

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