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A New Zealander would regularly invite well-known local figures around for elaborate meals. Already very costly to the man in terms of time and money, these meals got progressively more extravagant. He always fed his guests well and treated them with the utmost respect. However, there was a cunning and malevolent purpose behind all this feasting. What was it?
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Were the well-known figures all adult humans?

Were they the same people on each occasion?

Did the malevolent purpose require them to be specific people?

Would the malevolent purpose have been met if they had met for dinner at a restaurant instead of at the New Zealander's house?

Would the malevolent purpose have been met if they had met to watch a film or play a game of Puerto Rico instead of for dinner?
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Would the purpose have been met if the host was Australian? French?
Did all meetings have the same menu? Every time totally different menu? Is menu relevant at all?
Did the host arrange any activity for his guests, different than eating, drinking and talking by the table?
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Was he a professional tennis player, who invited all his opponents round, fed them up on fatty food, and then defeated them in the match because they were all too bloated to run around? And the fatter they got, the more he had to feed them? :-D
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Psydkik:

Were the well-known figures all adult humans? yes

Were they the same people on each occasion? no

Did the malevolent purpose require them to be specific people? yes

Would the malevolent purpose have been met if they had met for dinner at a restaurant instead of at the New Zealander's house? I don't think so - at least, not fully

Would the malevolent purpose have been met if they had met to watch a film or play a game of Puerto Rico instead of for dinner? As previous answer, but to a greater extent

Redwine:

Would the purpose have been met if the host was Australian? French? To the best of my knowledge, such a scenario has never existed in Australia or France
Did all meetings have the same menu? Every time totally different menu? Is menu relevant at all? no
Did the host arrange any activity for his guests, different than eating, drinking and talking by the table? not relevantly

Psydkik:

Was he a professional tennis player, who invited all his opponents round, fed them up on fatty food, and then defeated them in the match because they were all too bloated to run around? And the fatter they got, the more he had to feed them? :-D No. One would think professional athletes would exercise more self-control. Well, more self-control in that sphere at least :P.
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Was the reputation of the visitors his target? i.e. bug the banquet hall and record the conversations to use individuals' words against them later? Probably too blatant, but I figured I'd ask anyway...

Did he get some sort of tax break or similar for these events because of the identity of the guests, and therefore the "stated purpose" of the events that he could claim?
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Was the reputation of the visitors his target? as per your elaboration, no i.e. bug the banquet hall and record the conversations to use individuals' words against them later? see above Probably too blatant, but I figured I'd ask anyway... Quite rightly (:

Did he get some sort of tax break or similar for these events because of the identity of the guests, and therefore the "stated purpose" of the events that he could claim? no
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Did this happen IRL? If so, time period relevant? If so, 20th century? 19th? 18th?
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Did this happen IRL? yes If so, time period relevant? yes If so, 20th century? 19th? yes 18th? this too, although the label of 'New Zealander' becomes controversial at this point
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Well, apparently it doesn't recognize me old password and username, gregoryuconn, so now I am gregoryuconn1. Meanie.

Southern Hemisphere relevant? Any laws in New Zealand? Could this have happened in Australia? Fiji? Tuvalu? Argentina? Zeeland, Netherlands?
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Was the host's motive to have an associate commit a crime elsewhere during the dinner, such as at the guest's home?
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Well, apparently it doesn't recognize me old password and username, gregoryuconn, so now I am gregoryuconn1. Meanie. Welcome back, and commiserations on being caught up in the great purge of 2013. Your pain is shared by all those who first registered within the last 7 years or so.

Southern Hemisphere relevant? outside of being the setting, no Any laws in New Zealand? no Could this have happened in Australia? Fiji? Tuvalu? Argentina? Zeeland, Netherlands? The paramaters allowing this scenario to occur have never existed in any of the countries or provinces you listed.
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Was the host's motive to have an associate commit a crime elsewhere during the dinner, such as at the guest's home? no
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Was the host's motive to gain financially? To improve his social life? social position?
Was the host himself beneficiary from the situation? Host's family? Guests? Someone else?
Was the host's motive to be seen by prominent people at certain time?
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Was the host a Maori? the guests?
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anything to do with an alibi?
Were the meals always at the same time?
Same place?
Important who he invited?
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anything to do with an alibi?
Were the meals always at the same time?
Same place?
Important who he invited?
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Redwine

Was the host's motive to gain financially? yes, although not primarily To improve his social life? as above social position? as above, but this is closest
Was the host himself beneficiary from the situation? yes, primarily Host's family? them, too Guests? no! Someone else? yes
Was the host's motive to be seen by prominent people at certain time? no

Solo1

Was the host a Maori? yes the guests? yes

Deholmes

anything to do with an alibi? no
Were the meals always at the same time? irrelevant
Same place? yes
Important who he invited? yes, very
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Were all guests of the same profession? Were all guests men? All women?
Were all guests politicians?
Did the host want to influence his guests' decision upon certain issue?
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Were all guests of the same profession? yes Were all guests men? yes All women? no
Were all guests politicians? yes!
Did the host want to influence his guests' decision upon certain issue? no
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Was the host also a politician?

Did the host get the others together with the intention of discussing a particular topic?
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Does the man regard this feasting as a corruption? Do the guests? Would it be legally classified as corruption?
Are any laws or regulations relevant?
Did the man commit a crime? Did the guests?
Would the man's plan work if he had kept the feasts on the initial level (instead of getting them more and more extravagant)?
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Psydkik:

Was the host also a politician? yes

Did the host get the others together with the intention of discussing a particular topic? no

Redwine:

Does the man regard this feasting as a corruption? no Do the guests? no Would it be legally classified as corruption? no
Are any laws or regulations relevant? no
Did the man commit a crime? no Did the guests? no
Would the man's plan work if he had kept the feasts on the initial level (instead of getting them more and more extravagant)? Yes, but he would not have executed his plan to the extent he did.
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Did the host arrange his feasts at particular days (like, for example, the days before important votings)?
Was the host superior to the guests? Is it relevant what position the host? the guests? held in local politics?
Were the guests from the same political fraction as the host?
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Did the host arrange his feasts at particular days (like, for example, the days before important votings)? not relevantly
Was the host superior to the guests? yes! (a slight disambiguation may be necessary) Is it relevant what position the host? the guests? held in local politics? yes to both
Were the guests from the same political fraction as the host? no
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Did he spend his own money on these feasts, or government funds? If he spent his own, would he be able to expense part or all of the costs?
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Did he spend his own money on these feasts yes, or government funds? no If he spent his own, would he be able to expense part or all of the costs? no
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Did the host expect his guests to reveal important information after they get drunk?
Did the host expect his guests would feel socially obliged to support him in politics?
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Did he use the feasts to blackmail the guests in the hopes of forcing them to vote with him? Was the host the Prime Minister? And the guests were from the minority party? Or were the guests from the majority party and the host was from the minority party? Have the conditions for this puzzle to arise ever happened in any country besides New Zealand?
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King louie2: "would he be able to expense part or all of the costs?" --- if he was a UK politician, I bet he'd have found a way!!

Was the host the Prime Minister?

Were the politicians all from the same political party?

Was the host trying to gain support relating to an election (either to get his party elected, or to get himself elected within his party)?
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Redwine:

Did the host expect his guests to reveal important information after they get drunk? no
Did the host expect his guests would feel socially obliged to support him in politics? no - but explore this

Gregoryuconn:

Did he use the feasts to blackmail the guests in the hopes of forcing them to vote with him? no Was the host the Prime Minister? no And the guests were from the minority party? no Or were the guests from the majority party and the host was from the minority party? no Have the conditions for this puzzle to arise ever happened in any country besides New Zealand? Similar paradigms have occurred in other countries

Psydkik:

Was the host the Prime Minister? no

Were the politicians all from the same political party? FA

Was the host trying to gain support relating to an election (either to get his party elected, or to get himself elected within his party)? no
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Multiple meanings of "party" relevant? Maybe he said that a lot of politicians had "joined his party"?
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Multiple meanings of "party" relevant? no Maybe he said that a lot of politicians had "joined his party"? Heh.
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Considering these statements...
Was the host superior to the guests? yes! (a slight disambiguation may be necessary) and:
Were the politicians all from the same political party? FA
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Some more questions:

So our host is the highest ranking politician, but not necessarily the other politicians' "boss"... correct?

Were all the politicians elected by the same country?

Branches of politics relevant?
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So our host is the highest ranking politician, but not necessarily the other politicians' "boss"... correct? correct
Were all the politicians elected by the same country? FA

Branches of politics relevant? no
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Was one of the politicians not elected? Was the host the King/Queen of the United Kingdom, who I believe is also the head of state in NZ? But you said it couldn't happen in Australia, and their head of state is the King/Queen too?
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Was one of the politicians not elected? at least one, yes Was the host the King/Queen of the United Kingdom no, who I believe is also the head of state in NZ? but this is correct But you said it couldn't happen in Australia, and their head of state is the King/Queen too? correct on both counts
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Were the politicians prominent on local level? Country level?
Was the host not elected? One of guests? More than one of guests? Did the not-elected politician have a position, to which he did not need to be elected?

Did the host seek private benefit? Political benefit?
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Forgive me if I'm displaying blatant ignorance about Maori culture, but is a there a relevant system of power within that culture (independent of the NZ system of elected politicians)? Is the host a chief or similar? Is another one of the guests? Are any of the guests elected to their posts?
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Were all guests politicians? yes!
Was the host also a politician? yes
Were the politicians all from the same political party? FA
Oh help... erm...


Were all the people (host and guests, on every occasion that a dinner took place) politicians?

Were they politicians in the sense that they were members of parliament (or whatever the NZ equivalent is) - or had been, or were trying to be - something along that career path? Or some other meaning of 'politician' that is unrelated to the NZ parliament?

Is it true that political parties exist in NZ? And that politicians can be members of them? And can choose not to be?

Were the various politicians all members of the same political party? Or were some members of a different party? Or were some not members of a party at all? Or were none members of a party at all?
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Was one a politician from a foreign country? An ambassador?
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Is it more tribal politics that is involved, rather than national or regional?
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Redwine

Were the politicians prominent on local level? this Country level? no
Was the host not elected? correct One of guests? More than one of guests? this Did the not-elected politician have a position, to which he did not need to be elected? correct

Did the host seek private benefit? his private life did benefit, but that wasn't what he sought Political benefit? yes

Enjay:


Forgive me if I'm displaying blatant ignorance about Maori culture, but is a there a relevant system of power within that culture (independent of the NZ system of elected politicians)? yes! Is the host a chief yes! or similar? Is another one of the guests? yes! Are any of the guests elected to their posts? no

Your instincts about Maori culture of this era were spot on, it appears.

Psydkik:

Were all the people (host and guests, on every occasion that a dinner took place) politicians? yes

Were they politicians in the sense that they were members of parliament no! (or whatever the NZ equivalent is) - or had been, or were trying to be - something along that career path? no Or some other meaning of 'politician' that is unrelated to the NZ parliament? yes!

Is it true that political parties exist in NZ? Certainly is. More Westminster than Westminster, that's the New Zealand government! Do remember the era in which this puzzle occurs, though And that politicians can be members of them? And can choose not to be? yes on both accounts

Were the various politicians all members of the same political party? no Or were some members of a different party? no Or were some not members of a party at all? more than some Or were none members of a party at all? correct!

Gregoryuconn:

Was one a politician from a foreign country? An ambassador? no to both

Solo1

Is it more tribal politics that is involved, rather than national or regional? Yes!

Excellent round of questions from all involved. My compliments.
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Was the host obliged to organize the parties by a tribal tradition? Were the guests obliged to accept the invitation by a tribal tradition?
Is there a relevant tribal tradition concerning the obligations of a person if he was another person's guest?
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Were the guests obliged to reciprocate, and put on an even grander event in return for being invited to the host's? Did he hope to bankrupt the other chiefs, or make them lose face?

Are all the guests chiefs, of different tribes?? Are there different 'levels' of chief? Are some of them less powerful tribal figures?
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Was the host obliged to organize the parties by a tribal tradition? no Were the guests obliged to accept the invitation by a tribal tradition? yes!
Is there a relevant tribal tradition concerning the obligations of a person if he was another person's guest? yes!

Enjay:

Were the guests obliged to reciprocate, and put on an even grander event in return for being invited to the host's? Bam! And there we have it Did he hope to bankrupt the other chiefs that was one desired outcome, or make them lose face? the rival chiefs would have taken every step to avoid this outcome - often leading to outcome A

Are all the guests chiefs, of different tribes?? yes Are there different 'levels' of chief? in terms of an official hierarcy? not relevantly here Are some of them less powerful tribal figures? yes

I think that warrants a

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The man was a Maori chief, taking a rather lateral approach to expansion and tribal warfare. Using the concept of reciprocal feasting (in which a hosted chief/tribe must return a feat with a greater one or risk losing mana (prestige)), he was able to deplete the resources of neighbouring but slightly weaker chiefs, leading to them surrendering or becoming much easier to take over through conventional warfare. Eventually, as his tribe, land, and resources grew, he could try this tactic with larger, more powerful neighbours.


Reciprocal feasting features in a number of other cultures, many of them in the Pacific region. I don't yet know if this concept was ever used as a weapon elsewhere, however.

Congratulations to you all for your excellent questions and some lateral leaps!

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