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I used to have a common scrund about blindness, & I bet some of you have it, too. What is it??
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that "the blind" can't see at all?
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that "the blind" can't see at all? no
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Was it that all legally blind people can't see, while many of them can?

Bats relevant? Some other animal that's supposedly blind?

Street crossings relevant? Dogs relevant?
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Was it that all legally blind people can't see, while many of them can? no

Bats relevant? no Some other animal that's supposedly blind? no

Street crossings relevant? no Dogs relevant? no
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Anything typically associated with blind people relevant? White canes? Dark glasses?
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That blind people get offended etc at figures of speech or comments pertaining to sight?
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That their other senses are somehow "superior"?
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Anything typically associated with blind people relevant? yope White canes? no Dark glasses? no
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That blind people get offended etc at figures of speech or comments pertaining to sight? no
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That their other senses are somehow "superior"? no
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Does this have to do with how the blind perform some activity ? how they think ? how their vision works ? how their other senses work ?

colours relevant ? dreams ?
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Anything to do with braille?

Drive through bank machines with braille on them?

Anything to do with the other senses of blind people?
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Does this have to do with how the blind perform some activity ? no how they think ? no how their vision works ? yopehow their other senses work ? no

colours relevant ? dreams ?
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Anything to do with braille? no

Drive through bank machines with braille on them? no

Anything to do with the other senses of blind people? no
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Did you think that the blind existed in a world of pitch darkness?
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Does it have to do with the causes of blindness? The effect blindness has on one's daily life? Some sort of different treatment the blind receive?

Just making sure: By 'blindness', are we talking about the inability of human beings to see entirely? Not color-blindness or metaphorical blindness or some other different definition?
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Did you think that the blind existed in a world of pitch darkness? I thought that of the totally blind. Now all you have to do is realize why I was wrong.
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Does it have to do with the causes of blindness? no The effect blindness has on one's daily life? no Some sort of different treatment the blind receive? no

Just making sure: By 'blindness', are we talking about the inability of human beings to see entirely? yes Not color-blindness or metaphorical blindness or some other different definition? That's right.
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Hmm, looks like I have this scrund, too. Do the totally blind sense changes in light level? In the same way that you and I can when we close our eyes? Alternatively, do the totally blind actually see light, but are unable to process it?

Would this scrund apply only to the blind who still have eyes? As opposed to a person who lost his eyes?
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Are we talking about the "legally blind"? If so, then they just have to have 20/200 vision or worse.
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Hmm, looks like I have this scrund, too. Do the totally blind sense changes in light level?{I don't think so}In the same way that you and I can when we close our eyes? noAlternatively, do the totally blind actually see light, but are unable to process it?no

Would this scrund apply only to the blind who still have eyes? As opposed to a person who lost his eyes?
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Are we talking about the "legally blind"? No, this puzzle is about the totally blind. If so, then they just have to have 20/200 vision or worse.
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Can totally blind people still imagine what it's like to see light, so they are "seeing" imagined light rather than actual light? or the opposite, since they never see light, do they have no sensation of "darkness", since that only has meaning relative to lightness?
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Can totally blind people still imagine what it's like to see light, so they are "seeing" imagined light rather than actual light? no or the opposite, since they never see light, do they have no sensation of "darkness", since that only has meaning relative to lightness? no, but you're ORT
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That the blind have no visual sense at all? i.e., that they can't conjure up mental images?
read an interesting Oliver Sachs essay about this phenomenon some years ago. A fellow blinded by a chemical accident was still able to get on his roof and clean his gutters, but alarmed his neighbors by doing it at night...
Would your scrund apply to people who had sight but were somehow blinded?
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That the blind have no visual sense at all? i.e., that they can't conjure up mental images? no
read an interesting Oliver Sachs essay about this phenomenon some years ago. A fellow blinded by a chemical accident was still able to get on his roof and clean his gutters, but alarmed his neighbors by doing it at night...
Would your scrund apply to people who had sight but were somehow blinded? yes
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So is blind people's perception of what darkness is the key element of your scrund?

Crazy though this but I'm wondering if it's possible for a blind person to still have a fear of darkness?

Can light still affect their eyes? e.g would staring at the sun affect them in similar ways as it does to us? headaches ? light spots?
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Oh and one more. Would looking at light help a blind person to sneeze? Did you think it wouldn't?
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So is blind people's perception of what darkness is the key element of your scrund? yes

Crazy though this but I'm wondering if it's possible for a blind person to still have a fear of darkness? irrel

Can light still affect their eyes? irrele.g would staring at the sun affect them in similar ways as it does to us? irrelheadaches ? irrel light spots? irrel
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Oh and one more. Would looking at light help a blind person to sneeze? irrel Did you think it wouldn't?I've never had any beliefs on this subject!!
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Did you think that it would make no difference to a blind person whether they slept with a light on or off?
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Did you think that it would make no difference to a blind person whether they slept with a light on or off? That's not it.
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To clarify, would it relate exclusively to those who had sight but were later blinded, or would it apply to people who were blind since birth? Or did you think some statement applied to both classes, but it really only applied to one? The other way around? If so, did you think it applied to those who lost their sight at some point in their life? Or those who were blind since birth? Or in the reverse case, did it really apply to [LTPF list of groups in the previous question]?
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To clarify, would it relate exclusively to those who had sight but were later blinded no, or would it apply to people who were blind since birth? yes Or did you think some statement applied to both classes, but it really only applied to one? noThe other way around? noIf so, did you think it applied to those who lost their sight at some point in their life? n/a Or those who were blind since birth?n/a Or in the reverse case, did it really apply to [LTPF list of groups in the previous question]? n/a
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HINT: People would not have this scrund about deafness.
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Is the usage of words such as "dark" or "darkness" by blind people relevant?
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Is the usage of words such as "dark" or "darkness" by blind people relevant? no
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RECAP: Add the following to the puzzle statement: The scrund involves the experience of total blindness. It's irrel whether the totally blind person ever had vision.
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On October 15, the following exchange occured:

Peter365: Did you think that the blind existed in a world of pitch darkness?
Nimue: I thought that of the totally blind. Now all you have to do is realize why I was wrong.

So, would I be correct in saying that Peter365 identified the scrund referred to in the puzzle statement, and the puzzle now has the subsidiary question of how it was debunked (for you, personally)?

If I am correct, did you talk to someone who was previously sighted who was able to describe their experience comparatively? Were you with a blind person who reacted to changes in/levels of light or was able to describe or acknowledge the shape or physical presence of an object (s)he was not touching?
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On October 15, the following exchange occured:

Peter365: Did you think that the blind existed in a world of pitch darkness?
Nimue: I thought that of the totally blind. Now all you have to do is realize why I was wrong.

So, would I be correct in saying that Peter365 identified the scrund referred to in the puzzle statement, and the puzzle now has the subsidiary question of how it was debunked (for you, personally)? no. What you need to figure out is what the totally blind "exist in" if not a world of pitch darkness.HINT: Of course, the totally blind can't see anything.

If I am correct, did you talk to someone who was previously sighted who was able to describe their experience comparatively? I read an account by a totally blind woman; I don't know whether she ever had vision. Were you with a blind person who reacted to changes in/levels of light or was able to describe or acknowledge the shape or physical presence of an object (s)he was not touching? no
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Do you mean the same people by 'totally blind' and 'totally blind'?

If so, by 'exist in' do you mean how they process information contained in physical light? (and, thus, how the world would 'appear' to them?)

If so, are you wrong about the level of light they can perceive? The homogeneity of what they perceive? The colour of what they perceive? Are they able to perceive the world in a way in which sighted people could not, and perhaps could not even conceive of in some cases?
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o you mean the same people by 'totally blind' and 'totally blind'? of course. I just wanted to emphasize that these people are, well, totally blind.

If so, by 'exist in' do you mean how they process information contained in physical light? (and, thus, how the world would 'appear' to them?) yes

If so, are you wrong about the level of light they can perceive? noish The homogeneity of what they perceive? noish The colour of what they perceive? yes Are they able to perceive the world in a way in which sighted people could not, and perhaps could not even conceive of in some cases? not that I know of
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So it's not black. Is it a certain other colour? Is it a mix of colours? Is it white? Is it grey? Is it blue? Is it purple? It is a rainbow spectrum? Is it a kind of cyan/magenta/other primary colour of light thing? Do they see shapes? Are these shapes related to real world objects or levels of illumination? Are different levels of light saturation represented as other colours? How would a blind person know what a colour is, anyway? Are they able to perceive the number of microns in physical light some other way?
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So it's not black. Is it a certain other colour? no Is it a mix of colours? no Is it white? no Is it grey? no Is it blue? no Is it purple? noIt is a rainbow spectrum? noIs it a kind of cyan/magenta/other primary colour of light thing? no Do they see shapes? no Are these shapes related to real world objects or levels of illumination? n/aAre different levels of light saturation represented as other colours? no How would a blind person know what a colour is, anyway? I gather that he wouldn't if he had always been blind Are they able to perceive the number of microns in physical light some other way? no
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RECAP: This scrund involves the experience of being totally blind & it's irrel whether the blind people ever had vision. You've established that the scrund is that blind people have the visual experience of blackness; what remains is for you to establish what sort of experience they have instead.
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HINT: What sort of experience of sound do totally deaf people have??
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Even totally deaf people can feel the vibrations of certain sounds. Is this analogous to that?
Is it akin to the "floaters" that sighted people "see?" Or being able to sense when a light is turned on even though your eyes are closed? Anything like that?
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Even totally deaf people can feel the vibrations of certain sounds. Is this analogous to that? No. Maybe my analogy to the deaf was a mistake.
Is it akin to the "floaters" that sighted people "see?" no Or being able to sense when a light is turned on even though your eyes are closed? no. Everyone is overlooking (!) something really obvious!! Anything like that?
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Is it akin to the "floaters" that sighted people "see?" no Or being able to sense when a light is turned on even though your eyes are closed? no. Everyone is overlooking (!) something really obvious!!Anything like that? no
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That blind people don't have any kind of visual experience at all, that they indeed have no idea what "sight" is? (As if someone were to tell you that you had a sixth sense called "gorocking")
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That blind people don't have any kind of visual experience at all yes, that they indeed have no idea what "sight" is? Well, that would hold if they've been blind from birth. Otherwise, of course, they could have memories of vision. (As if someone were to tell you that you had a sixth sense called "gorocking")

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