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Psydkik (Psydkik)
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Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 12:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some days I have item "A". Some days I have item "B". If the manufacturers of item "B" made one small change, I would more often have item "B" and less often have item "A".

What is the change and why would it mean I have more?
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Are A and B foodstuffs, or otherwise perishable?
Along those lines, a change in ingredient[s]?
Do you use, or otherwise "have," A or B daily?
Multiple times a week? Weekly? Less often?
Are A and B common items widely available for sale?
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Is item A? item B? something one can wear?
Is item A? item B? connected with transportation?
Can a child have? use? item A?
Can a child have? use? item B?
Do you have/use item A in your work?
Do you have/use item B in your work?
Is it possible to have both item A and B at the same time?
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Yojimbo:

Are A and B foodstuffs, or otherwise perishable? Yes - food

Along those lines, a change in ingredient[s]? No

Do you use, or otherwise "have," A or B daily? Yes
Multiple times a week? Weekly? Less often? Therefore no

Are A and B common items widely available for sale? Yes


Redwine:

Is item A? item B? something one can wear? No

Is item A? item B? connected with transportation? No

Can a child have? use? item A? Yes

Can a child have? use? item B? Yes

Do you have/use item A in your work? No

Do you have/use item B in your work? No

Is it possible to have both item A and B at the same time? Yes, but I wouldn't do that
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Are A&B bread? Otherwise made from grain?
Are A&B made from fruits or vegetables?
Sugars relevant?
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Do you have item A always on the same days of the week? Item B?
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Yojimbo:

Are A&B bread? No
Otherwise made from grain? Yes
Are A&B made from fruits or vegetables? No
Sugars relevant? No


Redwine:

Do you have item A always on the same days of the week? Item B? No
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Breakfast cereal relevant?
Are A/B made from processed grain, among other things?
Crackers [okay, biscuits in the UK] relevant?
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I'm a simple being. I just had breakfast cereal - it's 5:36 p.m. here! - because Yojimbo mentioned it.

Does the relevant item come packaged? If so, packaging size relevant?
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Yojimbo:

Breakfast cereal relevant? Yes

Are A/B made from processed grain, among other things? They're both fairly standard breakfast cereals

Crackers [okay, biscuits in the UK] relevant? No - and we do have crackers here too ;-) (Biscuits are sugary, crackers are usually plainer and salty rather than sugary)


Doriana:

I'm a simple being. I just had breakfast cereal - it's 5:36 p.m. here! - because Yojimbo mentioned it.
At times I've had to suggest to my wife, a cereal fiend, that perhaps four meals a day, all of cereal, is not a balanced diet!


Does the relevant item come packaged? Yes
If so, packaging size relevant? Yes
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thanks for the point about crackers --
Do you have a particular preference for A or B?
Is item B packaged in individual servings, which, as a responsible steward of the planet, you consider wasteful? If item B were available in bulk packaging, would you have it more often?
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Does item B contain enough for, let's say, 2.5 servings, and you would buy it more often if it was enough for either 2 or 3 servings?
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Yojimbo:

Do you have a particular preference for A or B? I tend to eat one for a while each morning, then I eat the other for a while each morning.

Is item B packaged in individual servings, which, as a responsible steward of the planet, you consider wasteful? If item B were available in bulk packaging, would you have it more often? No, though I've avoided buying other things for that reason!


Doriana:

Does item B contain enough for, let's say, 2.5 servings, and you would buy it more often if it was enough for either 2 or 3 servings? Yope
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Would your reason for changing from A to B (with or without the small change) be
Simply because you don't wish to eat the same thing every day?
Or for some "medical" reason (in the very loose sense of medical, e.g. one is salty or sugary & you don't want to overindulge)?
Do you buy A and have it until it runs out, then buy B (repeat ad nausum)?
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Plebeian:

Would your reason for changing from A to B (with or without the small change) be
Simply because you don't wish to eat the same thing every day? Yes
Or for some "medical" reason (in the very loose sense of medical, e.g. one is salty or sugary & you don't want to overindulge)? No

Do you buy A and have it until it runs out, then buy B (repeat ad nausum)? I eat A until I get bored of it, then eat B until I get bored of it. Reaching the end of the packet is usually a good switching point, although sometimes I will have a second or third packet of one before switching to the other. I don't like to switch over mid-packet, or the rest of it goes stale.
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If the change was made to cereal B:
Would you buy it more often than you do now?
Would you eat them more often while buying the same number of packages as you do now?
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Redwine:

If the change was made to cereal B:
Would you buy it more often than you do now? Yes
Would you eat them more often while buying the same number of packages as you do now? No
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Is the change related to price? Package? Advertising?
Is there something added as an extra to product A, which makes it a better deal than cereal B?
Does cereal B contain only cereal (as opposed to cereals which are mixed with nuts, raisins, apple pieces etc.)?
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Redwine:

Is the change related to price? No
Package? Yes
Advertising? No

Is there something added as an extra to product A, which makes it a better deal than cereal B? No - the change is to "B" only

Does cereal B contain only cereal (as opposed to cereals which are mixed with nuts, raisins, apple pieces etc.)? Both "A" and "B" are a 'one cereal crop' product.
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Did you buy your cereal already in packages? Are you able to weight and pack yourself the amount you want?
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Change of package would cause more of B to be bought and eaten - is this because of
The Picture? or Wording? on pack B?
Or a change that would make B last longer (e.g. resealable packaging)?
Or would it allow B to be opened more easily?
Or simply that a larger pack of B would mean longer eating it?
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Redwine:

Did you buy your cereal already in packages? Are you able to weight and pack yourself the amount you want? It comes prepackaged


Plebeian:

Change of package would cause more of B to be bought and eaten - is this because of
The Picture? No
or Wording? No
on pack B?

Or a change that would make B last longer (e.g. resealable packaging)? No

Or would it allow B to be opened more easily? No

Or simply that a larger pack of B would mean longer eating it? It's to do with size, but not necessarily larger, so perhaps 'Yope' to this one.
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Would you prefer the dimensions of the package to change? Volume would be the same, but it might be a stubbier box, and thus fit more easily in your cereal cupboard?
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Yojimbo:

Would you prefer the dimensions of the package to change? Yes... (though 'prefer'... I probably wouldn't prefer the change, but I do acknowledge that it would make me eat more of them!)

Volume would be the same ...but no

but it might be a stubbier box, and thus fit more easily in your cereal cupboard? No, nothing to do with me storing it
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Does cereal B come in that sort of packages, in which there is more air than product?
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Redwine:

Does cereal B come in that sort of packages, in which there is more air than product? No
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Do the packages of A and B currently have the same dimensions?
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Doriana:

Do the packages of A and B currently have the same dimensions? No
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Does B come in "multi-packs", where a larger pack contains several individual servings?
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Plebian:

Does B come in "multi-packs", where a larger pack contains several individual servings?
Item B comes in packs of varying sizes, though one size is probably the most common. These packs do contain some inner packaging, but not to package 'individual servings', no.
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Would the change concern shape of packages? Onlu dimensions when shape remain the same? Only one dimension?
Would the change mean that there would be more cereal in the package? Less?
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Redwine:

Would the change concern shape of packages? Yes

Onlu dimensions when shape remain the same? No
Only one dimension? Probably yes

Would the change mean that there would be more cereal in the package? Less? Could be either, but would have to be a different from the current amount
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Does cereal B come in boxes? Bags?
Is it correct to say that current amount of cereal B in one package is inconvenient to you?
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Redwine

Does cereal B come in boxes? Bags? Boxes, each with one or more inner packets

Is it correct to say that current amount of cereal B in one package is inconvenient to you? No
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Are the package dimensions inconvenient for buying the item? carrying it home?
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Doriana:

Are the package dimensions inconvenient for buying the item? carrying it home? No
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Inner packets: shredded wheat biscuits, like Weetabix, relevant? Would you prefer that they weren't in inner packages, but a whole box full of the things? Or more biscuits per inner packet? Fewer?
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Yojimbo:

Inner packets: shredded wheat biscuits, like Weetabix, relevant?
Yes and no:
Yes - "B" is Weetabix
No - the inner packets have only a passing relevance.


Would you prefer that they weren't in inner packages, but a whole box full of the things? I don't mind how many inner packets they come in (well, I do for environmental reasons, but that's irrelevant to this puzzle!)

Or more biscuits per inner packet? Fewer? Either of these might work, yes.
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In one box of cereal, is there just enough cereal for definite, full number of servings (let's say 3)? And if there were more (for let's say 3,5 servings) or less (2,5 servings), you would buy them more often to finish the cereal from already opened box and complete the serving with the cereal from new box?
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Do you normally keep the Weetabix in their box, in the inner packets?
Or do you take them out of the box? And/or the inner packets?
Move them into other storage, e.g. a sealed container?
Is the actual shape of weetabix relevant?
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Plebeian:
Do you normally keep the Weetabix in their box, in the inner packets? Yes

Or do you take them out of the box? And/or the inner packets? No

Move them into other storage, e.g. a sealed container? No

Is the actual shape of weetabix relevant? No


Redwine:

In one box of cereal, is there just enough cereal for definite, full number of servings (let's say 3)? And if there were more (for let's say 3,5 servings) or less (2,5 servings), you would buy them more often to finish the cereal from already opened box and complete the serving with the cereal from new box? Yes - which means it's time for:


***************Spoiler***************

Item "A" is cornflakes; Item "B" is Weetabix, and I have one or other of them for breakfast. I tend to go through a phase of eating cornflakes for a few weeks until I get bored of them, then Weetabix for a few weeks until I get bored of them.

Weetabix come in inner-packets of 12, and therefore boxes of 12, 24, 48, sometimes even 72, but always a multiple of 12, and the most-common, best-value size is 48.

During a Weetabix phase, I eat 3 Weetabix for breakfast. It's a factor of 12, so at some point I come neatly to the end of the box, which usually seems like a suitable stopping point for switching to cornflakes.

If Weetabix changed their packets to have a different number - say 11 - in each packet, then I'd have problems. I could now buy boxes of 11, 22, 44 or sometimes even 66. Eating 3 a time, I'd still get neatly to the end of the box with 66, but with 11, 22 or 44, I'd be left with one or two odd Weetabix left, so I'd feel compelled to buy another packet, and another, until I ended up neatly at a multiple of 3, rather than leave an odd one to go stale in the box or offend my autistic genes by having the 'wrong' number for breakfast or mixing them with cornflakes!.

So now, I buy 48 Weetabix, which covers me for 48/3 = 16 days, and then I go back to eating cornflakes.
But if I bought 44, I'd eat 42, which covers me 14 days, with 2 left over, then buy another 44 to give me 46, and I'd eat 45, which covers me for 15 days, with 1 left over, and then I'd buy another 44, plus the 1, gives me another 15 days exactly.

So when Weetabix come in 48's, I eat them for 16 days, and then go back to cornflakes.
If Weetabix came in 44's, I'd eat them for 14+15+15 = 44 days, and then go back to cornflakes.


Or of course, to work it even better to cover people who eat 2 or 4 Weetabix each morning - also factors of 12 - they could just sell in prime-number boxes, so go for boxes of 11, 23, 47. That way everyone ends up with one odd one, though of course it'd be harder to fit them in rectangular boxes without leaving odd gaps, and they'd have to get their machines to make more than one size of inner-packet. And perhaps Weetabix just aren't that mean, or think that we'd be so irritated we'd just stop buying them altogether. ;-)

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