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Redwine (Redwine)
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Stephen wrote a few words. Their cost was 220.000.000 $.

I read it as a true story.
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Were any of the words his signature?

Was it a cost to him? Someone(s) else? His company? Some other compan(y/ies)? His government? Some other government(s)?
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Psydkik:
Were any of the words his signature? No.

Was it a cost to him? No. Someone(s) else? His company? This. Some other compan(y/ies)? His government? Possibly a bit of this too. Some other government(s)?
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Did Stephen slander someone/thing?
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I don't mean that, do I? I mean libel?
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Psydkik:
Did Stephen slander someone/thing? I don't mean that, do I? I mean libel? No to these.
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Is Stephen in IT . Is he writing computer code?

Does he cause damage to something? cause a project to be scrapped? enable many people to claim monies they weren't entitled to?

Just to clarify that the figure is 220 million US Dollars, yes? Space program relevant?
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Peter365:
Is Stephen in IT .No. Is he writing computer code? No.

Does he cause damage to something? Yes, DOYD of "damage". cause a project to be scrapped? Noish. enable many people to claim monies they weren't entitled to? No.

Just to clarify that the figure is 220 million US Dollars, yes? Yes. This is the figure that was mentioned in my source. Space program relevant? No.
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Is he engaged in finance? A trader?
Did he write anything intentionally false?
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Yojimbo:
Is he engaged in finance? A trader? No to both.
Did he write anything intentionally false? No, but...
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Was the cost:
- the replacement cost of fixing/replacing the something that was broken?
- legal fees?
- fines?
- damage to reputation?
- decrease in share values?
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Psydkik:
Was the cost:
- the replacement cost of fixing/replacing the something that was broken?
- legal fees?
- fines?
- damage to reputation?
- decrease in share values?
In fact, all could have been very minor factors. But none of them is the major factor that formed most of the cost.
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Punctuation relevant?
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Solo:
Punctuation relevant? No.
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Did he write something false unintentionally?
Was he given faulty or misleading information?
Did he misinterpret accurate information?
Does he damage his company's reputation? Credit rating? Its credibility?
Does he damage his country's foreign relations?
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Yojimbo:
Did he write something false unintentionally? No.
Was he given faulty or misleading information? No.
Did he misinterpret accurate information? No.
Does he damage his company's reputation? Credit rating? Its credibility? All three are possible, but only as further consequences.
Does he damage his country's foreign relations? No.
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Is his company predominantly one that manufactures things? Is it in the service industry? Is it American?

Did it cost him $220mil because that's how much his company lost $220mil? Or because it didn't gain $220mil it would otherwise have gained?
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Psydkik:
Is his company predominantly one that manufactures things? No, but you may want to rephrase this question. Is it in the service industry? No. Is it American? Irrelevant, the source mentioned Canada.

Did it cost him $220mil because that's how much his company lost $220mil? Or because it didn't gain $220mil it would otherwise have gained? Both, but the latter is most important.
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Did Steve's words cause a product to flunk? So that his company didn't made a low profit (or perhaps a loss) instead of a big profit?
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Psydkik:
Did Steve's words cause a product to flunk? No. So that his company didn't made a low profit (or perhaps a loss) instead of a big profit? This is OTRT.
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Did Steve run the company? A senior figure in the company? Just an employee of the company?

Did Steve's words cause fewer customers to pay the company for goods? or for services?

Were Steve's words written in a company document? In a letter to someone? In the media?
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Psydkik:
Did Steve run the company? A senior figure in the company? Just an employee of the company? This one.

Did Steve's words cause fewer customers to pay the company for goods? or for services? No to these.

Were Steve's words written in a company document? In a letter to someone? In the media? No to these.
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Were Steve's words written on a computer? On paper?

Did the lost money relate to manufactured goods? To services?

Did Steve's words cause a change in the selling price of the goods/services?
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Psydkik:
Were Steve's words written on a computer? On paper? Neither.

Did the lost money relate to manufactured goods? Yes, although I doubt "manufactured" is appropriate word. To services? No.

Did Steve's words cause a change in the selling price of the goods/services? No.
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Are the goods:
- items that are created?
- items that are collected?
- items that are bred? Are the goods animals?

Were Steve words written in ink? in pencil/crayon? in paint? electronically? engraved? in blood? in something not designed for writing?
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Psydkik:
Are the goods:
- items that are created?
- items that are collected? This is closest, but still not exact.
- items that are bred? Are the goods animals?

Were Steve words written in ink? in pencil/crayon? in paint? electronically? engraved? in blood? in something not designed for writing? Ink, crayon or paint. Irrelevant which one.
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So it could have been done in ink or crayon, but not pencil? Or is pencil ok as well?

Were the words in a particular colour, and the situation would have been significantly different if they were in a different colour?
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Psydkik:
So it could have been done in ink or crayon, but not pencil? I doubt if pencil would be visible... Or is pencil ok as well? If it could be visible when written in pencil, then pencil is all right too.

Were the words in a particular colour, and the situation would have been significantly different if they were in a different colour? No.
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Are the goods:
- items that are donated?
- items that are grown?
- items that are found lying around?

Does Steve's company make money by selling the goods?

Does Steve's company do anything to the goods between acquiring them and selling them?
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Did Steve write a suicide note on glass or something, and then kill himself, causing the stock price to plummet?
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Psydkik:
Are the goods:
- items that are donated?
- items that are grown?
- items that are found lying around? None of these.

Does Steve's company make money by selling the goods? Yes.

Does Steve's company do anything to the goods between acquiring them and selling them? They put their product into containers.

Yojimbo:
Did Steve write a suicide note on glass or something, and then kill himself, causing the stock price to plummet? No. Steve did not do anything relevant besides writing.
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Were Steve's words just written once (ie just the time Steve wrote them)? Or were they copied and duplicated by Steve or other people? eg by being printed on all the containers?
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Psydkik:
Were Steve's words just written once (ie just the time Steve wrote them)? Yes. Or were they copied and duplicated by Steve or other people? No. eg by being printed on all the containers?
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Does Steve's company:
- make goods from raw materials?
- assemble goods from ready-made parts?
- buy goods and sell the same goods at a profit? like a shop?

Did Steve write a sentence? A few sentences? More? Or a collection of words that don't form a coherent sentence?

Did someone act on information on Steve's writing, and that action cause the money to be lost?
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Psydkik:
Does Steve's company:
- make goods from raw materials?
- assemble goods from ready-made parts?
- buy goods and sell the same goods at a profit? like a shop? None of these, in fact. You're overlooking one branch of industry... I would not say that Steve's company makes goods. "Collecting" was closest so far.

Did Steve write a sentence? This. A few sentences? More? Or a collection of words that don't form a coherent sentence?

Did someone act on information on Steve's writing, and that action cause the money to be lost? Yesish.
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"Collecting" -- Trash hauling? Recycling? Ranching? Commercial fishing? [hope so: everyone knows how I adore fish...]
Farming or other agriculture?
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Yojimbo:
"Collecting" -- Trash hauling? Recycling? Ranching? Commercial fishing? [hope so: everyone knows how I adore fish...]
Farming or other agriculture? None of these, I'm afraid.

FREE HINT: That was an industrial company. Their product is quite expensive. As far as I know, they do not modify the product they acquire, they just pack it and sell it. Where the company was located is also relevant.
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Mining relevant? surprised I left that out of my "collecting" query
Location [for kicks, I'll type out the list]:
Africa?
Antarctica?
Asia?
Australia?
Europe?
N America?
S America?
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Yojimbo:
Mining relevant? surprised I left that out of my "collecting" query YES!
Location [for kicks, I'll type out the list]:
Africa?
Antarctica?
Asia?
Australia?
Europe?
N America? This.
S America?
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Mining:
coal?
precious metals?
gold? silver? platinum? uranium? copper? tin?
[will resist invoking LTPF periodic table...]
specific area in N America relevant? NW? NE? SW? SE?
Midwest?
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Yojimbo:
Mining:
coal?
precious metals?
gold? silver? platinum? uranium? copper? tin?
[will resist invoking LTPF periodic table...] None of them, periodic table would be of no help.
specific area in N America relevant? NW? NE? SW? SE?
Midwest? The source said only it was in Canada. Also, something else about the location is relevant.

Clarification: I'm not sure if there is a specific word for *getting* that particular product, my dictionary said "mining".
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Is it a mineral? A compound?
Petroleum relevant?
Tar Sands relevant?
"Fracking" relevant? [now there's a word for one's dictionary...]
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Yojimbo:
Is it a mineral? A compound? This I think.
Petroleum relevant? YES! Well done.
Tar Sands relevant?
"Fracking" relevant? [now there's a word for one's dictionary...]
The rest is not relevant to this puzzle.
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Was employed by an oil-drilling company? Or a refinery? Or one engaged in distribution of petroleum products?
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Yojimbo:
Was employed by an oil-drilling company? This. Or a refinery? Or one engaged in distribution of petroleum products?
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Did Steve's words cause his company to:
- drill in the wrong place?
- cause an oil spill?
- lose out to a competitor?
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Psydkik:
Did Steve's words cause his company to:
- drill in the wrong place?
- cause an oil spill?
- lose out to a competitor? No to all.
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Was the loss an actual loss, as in damaged or missing inventory or other real goods, or a virtual loss, as in a loss of anticipated income?
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Yojimbo:
Was the loss an actual loss, as in damaged or missing inventory or other real goods, or a virtual loss, as in a loss of anticipated income? Both. There were expenses and also the company did not bring income.
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Was a lawsuit involved?
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Was a lawsuit involved? No.
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Did the oil company have expectations of profit from drilling on a certain bit of land, but as a result of Stephen's words, they lost access to the land? And also the expected profit?
Stock prices relevant?
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Yojimbo:
Did the oil company have expectations of profit from drilling on a certain bit of land, but as a result of Stephen's words, they lost access to the land? No. And also the expected profit?
Stock prices relevant? No.
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HINTS: Stephen wrote a kind of general complaint. He did not write on paper. Also, the surrounding of the scene is worth exploring.
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Is the landscape snowy or otherwise frosty and cold?
Did Stephen write on glass? Draw with his finger on a grimy window? Or a piece of oil-drilling equipment or other vehicle?
Was he a subordinate employee of the oil company? Working in the field?
Was he an executive?
Working in the office?
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Yojimbo:
Is the landscape snowy or otherwise frosty and cold? Could be, the temperature is not relevant.
Did Stephen write on glass? Draw with his finger on a grimy window? Or a piece of oil-drilling equipment or other vehicle? No to these, but the last guess is OTRT.
Was he a subordinate employee of the oil company? Working in the field?
Was he an executive?
Working in the office? His exact position in the company is not relevant. He was working in the field.
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Did he write on something owned by the company? One of the buildings? Some piece of equipment?

Was his complaint acted upon? Was it misinterpreted, then acted upon? Was it acted upon in an unintended way?
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Wizardofnz:
Did he write on something owned by the company? Yes. One of the buildings? YES. Some piece of equipment? No.

Was his complaint acted upon? Yes. Was it misinterpreted, then acted upon? Not misinterpreted, rather overreacted. Was it acted upon in an unintended way? Yes.
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Is the specific building relevant? Did the overreaction to the complain lead to the building getting destroyed? More than the building getting destroyed? Was there an explosion? A fire?
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Is the specific building relevant? Not really - it was a toilet. Did the overreaction to the complain lead to the building getting destroyed? No. More than the building getting destroyed? No. Was there an explosion? No, but OTRT. A fire? No.
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Did some kind of contamination occur?

If so, did the product get contaminated? Did something get contaminated by the product? The grounds? Something outside the company grounds (water supply, food, grasslands etc.)?
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Did some kind of contamination occur? No.

If so, did the product get contaminated? n\a Did something get contaminated by the product? n\a The grounds? n\a Something outside the company grounds (water supply, food, grasslands etc.)? n\a
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OK, so is there something relevant about the location other than it being in Canada?

Does the drilling occur at/near the ocean? In a lake? In the oil sands? Around glaciers?

Did Stephen make a generic complaint, such as 'it's too cold'?
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OK, so is there something relevant about the location other than it being in Canada? Yes.

Does the drilling occur at/near the ocean? In a lake? In the oil sands? Around glaciers? Could be any of these, except at the ocean.

Did Stephen make a generic complaint, such as 'it's too cold'? No, not that specific.
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Did Stephen write something like "This sucks" which was then literally misinterpreted by someone who thought it was a device for sucking and did a load of damage by trying to use it to suck something which it instead spat at? Or something along those lines of his complaint being misinterpreted as a definition of the equipment, or instructions for its use?
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This Stephen would certainly stay well clear of any toilet with suction power
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Psydkik:
Did Stephen write something like "This sucks" which was then literally misinterpreted by someone who thought it was a device for sucking and did a load of damage by trying to use it to suck something which it instead spat at? No, but good thought. The meaning of his writing was more or less the same as if he wrote "This sucks", but the wording is relevant. Or something along those lines of his complaint being misinterpreted as a definition of the equipment, or instructions for its use? No.
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Was his writing meant to amuse his colleagues in the field, but was seen by others who held the purse strings, so to speak, and as a result, funding dried up?
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Yojimbo:
Was his writing meant to amuse his colleagues in the field, but was seen by others who held the purse strings, so to speak, and as a result, funding dried up? Somehow OTRT, but the result was different.
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Was the writing intended for amusement? Rather conventional graffiti? Was it critical of his company?
Don't know if this has been addressed, and I can't find my glasses so I'd have to squint to examine the thread: Is the wording of what he wrote specifically relevant? Should we try to determine that?
[seems like a dumb Q; I imagine that if we knew what he wrote, the puzzle would soon collapse...]
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Yojimbo:
Was the writing intended for amusement? It was, but the wording did not indicate that. Rather conventional graffiti? I have no idea what is a conventional grafitti... Was it critical of his company? Could be regarded like that, but only in a very general way.
Don't know if this has been addressed, and I can't find my glasses so I'd have to squint to examine the thread: Is the wording of what he wrote specifically relevant? Yes. Should we try to determine that? Yes.
[seems like a dumb Q; I imagine that if we knew what he wrote, the puzzle would soon collapse...]
As soon as you discover what he wrote and what was the surrounding, the rest will be more or less obvious.
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Is the terrain relevant? The topography? The climate?
Does this take place in wilderness? Near habitation?
Did he write with paint? with ink? pencil? Was his writing easy to see from a short distance?
Did his writing reference anything specific? or anyone?
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Did the wording refer to a part of the human body? Did it refer to something religious?

Were any of the words used "colloquial", "slang" or "offensive"?
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Yojimbo:
Is the terrain relevant? The topography? The climate? No to these.
Does this take place in wilderness? Yope. Near habitation? Noish.
Did he write with paint? with ink? pencil? Could be any, as long as it was visible on the toilet's wall. Was his writing easy to see from a short distance? Yes.
Did his writing reference anything specific? No. or anyone? No.

Psydkik:
Did the wording refer to a part of the human body? No. Did it refer to something religious? No.

Were any of the words used "colloquial", "slang" or "offensive"? Possibly colloquial - and in that case it would be an expression, not a single word. Not slang, not offensive.
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Written on the inside wall, or outside? I don't know if that's been asked, and I still can't find my glasses.
Is any nearby habitation merely the "encampment" provided to field workers?
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Yojimbo:
Written on the inside wall, or outside? Inside. I don't know if that's been asked, and I still can't find my glasses.
Is any nearby habitation merely the "encampment" provided to field workers? No. There is also another structure that is often located away of habitation.
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HINT: The company had to stop producing for two weeks, and this is what costed them most.
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thanks for the hint... I felt stuck...
Did the writing impact the oil drilling company's ability to do business?
Did it prevent them from extracting crude oil? From refining it? From transporting it?
If any of the above, from damage to equipment? As a result of pending legal action?
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Yojimbo:
Did the writing impact the oil drilling company's ability to do business? The writing - no.
Did it prevent them from extracting crude oil? From refining it? From transporting it? The company had to completely stop working.
If any of the above, from damage to equipment? No. As a result of pending legal action? No, but OTRT.
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Was the content of Stephen's writing perceived to be derogatory? Discriminatory? Defamatory?
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Yojimbo:
Was the content of Stephen's writing perceived to be derogatory? Discriminatory? Defamatory? No to all. Remember that it was very general.
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If Stephen had written anything on the inside wall [of a privy, as I take it], would it have had the effect of shutting the company down for two weeks? Or were the words he wrote specifically relevant?
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Yojimbo:
If Stephen had written anything on the inside wall [of a privy, as I take it], would it have had the effect of shutting the company down for two weeks? No. Or were the words he wrote specifically relevant? Yes, specific words are relevant.
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Was the statement perceived as strike action, or a sign of some organised refusal to work by all the employees? Something in this vein?

Did the decision to stop work come 'from the top' as it were? Was it done due to fears about safety or legal repercussions from their actions?
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Wizardofnz:
Was the statement perceived as strike action, or a sign of some organised refusal to work by all the employees? No. Something in this vein? No.

Did the decision to stop work come 'from the top' as it were? Not from the company management. Was it done due to fears about safety THIS! or legal repercussions from their actions? No.
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Was his message read by other employees, who feared for their safety and stayed away from work for a fortnight, causing work to cease?

Was it something like 'This job is killing me' or 'This job will be the death of me' or something?
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Or 'working on this rig makes me sick'?
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Wizardofnz:
Was his message read by other employees, who feared for their safety and stayed away from work for a fortnight, causing work to cease? No, other employees probably regarded it as a joke.

Was it something like 'This job is killing me' or 'This job will be the death of me' or something? Or 'working on this rig makes me sick'? This level of generalities, yes, but other wording. Try starting with "I would..."
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Was the message read by health inspectors? Someone responsible for on-site safety? An external body responsible for health and well-being? A concerned middle manager?

Did he write that he would rather [do something] than keep working here?
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Wizardofnz:
Was the message read by health inspectors? Someone responsible for on-site safety? This is most probable... An external body responsible for health and well-being? A concerned middle manager? but in fact any of these would do.

Did he write that he would rather [do something] than keep working here? The sense was along these lines, but he did not use rather-than sort of expression.
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Does his statement mention death? Illness? Disease? A specific occupational hazard? Explosions?
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Wizardofnz:
Does his statement mention death? Illness? Disease? A specific occupational hazard? Explosions? THIS!, no to the rest.
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I suspect I'll be here all morning if I keep trying to guess at specific wordings, so:

Did he say that he would explode if he kept working here?
Did he say that he wanted to cause an explosion because he worked here?

Was the specific type of explosion or explosive device relevant?

Did he say this job was dynamite?
Did he say this job was the bomb?
Were his initials T.N.T.?
Was he playing battleship with someone on the toilet wall and entered the co-ordinates C4?
Was he coy about using words for biological functions and said he had to go boom-boom?
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Wizardofnz:
I suspect I'll be here all morning if I keep trying to guess at specific wordings, so:

Did he say that he would explode if he kept working here?
Did he say that he wanted to cause an explosion because he worked here? THIS ONE! It was something like: I would blow this whole place up.

Was the specific type of explosion or explosive device relevant? No.

Did he say this job was dynamite?
Did he say this job was the bomb?
Were his initials T.N.T.?
Was he playing battleship with someone on the toilet wall and entered the co-ordinates C4?
Was he coy about using words for biological functions and said he had to go boom-boom? None of these, but I like these ideas.
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So, a health/safety official or concerned middle manager decided that there was a disgruntled employee who was going to blow the whole place up and lobbied to have the place closed for a fortnight while all the employees were investigated or the place was searched for explosive devices, causing the company to lose two weeks of production. Is there more to the puzzle?
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Wizardofnz:
So, a health/safety official or concerned middle manager decided that there was a disgruntled employee who was going to blow the whole place up and lobbied to have the place closed for a fortnight while all the employees were investigated or the place was searched for explosive devices, causing the company to lose two weeks of production. Is there more to the puzzle? That's the most of it. There is also a little bit concerning the surrounding of the place, which somehow explains why they were so concerned for safety and why were the costs that big. If no questions show up, I will reveal it in the $poiler.
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Is it to do with the terrain underneath (such as its composition [e.g. ice melting] or the ease of putting explosives there, or infrastructure such as pipes which would be damaged)?

Are they concerned about damage to the environment? To towns and cities? Is the potential area of effect of the damage limited to the immediate surroundings?
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Stephen woke drowsily realising that he'd overeaten the evening before and overslept the morning after. He jumped out of bed and drove quickly to work to make sure he clocked in on time. And after that he wolfed down some late breakfast and headed for the toilet. Ah, the relief when ten hours' of digestive work was expelled; it only just succeeded in struggling its way around the U-bend. He got out a pen and wrote on the wall:

"I would keep out for a while - I just dropped a bomb down the tube."

And some middle-management type with no sense of humour took it literally, thinking the 'pipe' was the main oil suppply line.

(If that's right, I'll go out and phone Aerohog for a cheap flight)
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Wizardofnz:
Is it to do with the terrain underneath (such as its composition [e.g. ice melting] or the ease of putting explosives there, or infrastructure such as pipes which would be damaged)? No.

Are they concerned about damage to the environment? No. To towns and cities? No. Is the potential area of effect of the damage limited to the immediate surroundings? Yes.

Psydkik:
Stephen woke drowsily realising that he'd overeaten the evening before and overslept the morning after. He jumped out of bed and drove quickly to work to make sure he clocked in on time. And after that he wolfed down some late breakfast and headed for the toilet. Ah, the relief when ten hours' of digestive work was expelled; it only just succeeded in struggling its way around the U-bend. He got out a pen and wrote on the wall:

"I would keep out for a while - I just dropped a bomb down the tube."

And some middle-management type with no sense of humour took it literally, thinking the 'pipe' was the main oil suppply line. Very creative, but incorrect I'm afraid.

(If that's right, I'll go out and phone Aerohog for a cheap flight)
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Was the oil field near a wildlife refuge? A competitor's oil field? A military base?
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Yojimbo:
Was the oil field near a wildlife refuge? A competitor's oil field? A military base? THIS ONE!

Well done everybody, and here's the

************SPOILER***************
Stephen worked for oil company. The area was surrounded by military base. Half-jokingly, Stephen wrote on the interior side of the toilet a comment like: "I would gladly blow all this up". The management took it as a serious safety threat for the fields and the military base. Rangers came, interrogations started, the place was searched for explosives and it took two weeks, during which the company could not produce. Their loss, employees fees, cost of Rangers operation etc. added up to $220.000.000.


Thanks for playing. Congrats to Wizardofnz for getting the situation right, to Psydkik for creative ideas and to Yojimbo for getting to the base.

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