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Mohamed organised a team meeting, where the agenda was followed and completed. Yet no-one spoke the whole time. Why not?
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Was someone supposed to speak?
Did someone communicate in another way?
Was it a meeting of mute people?
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Redwine:

Was someone supposed to speak? No - but they spoke at every other team meeting. Why not this one?

Did someone communicate in another way? Yes

Was it a meeting of mute people? No
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Did everyone from the team attend the meeting? Did the team consist of more than one person? Are the members of the team all human? Were the members of the meeting all physically present in the same room?
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Redwine:

Did everyone from the team attend the meeting? Yes

Did the team consist of more than one person? Yes

Are the members of the team all human? Yes

Were the members of the meeting all physically present in the same room? Yope
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Was it essential for the purpose of the meeting to keep silence?
Was it essential for the purpose of the meeting not to speak?
Was the purpose of the meeting just to check if everybody is around?
Were there any sounds in the meeting room during this meeting?
Was the meeting conducted via electronic means?
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Did they write instead of speak?

Did they think the room was bugged?
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Redwine:

Was it essential for the purpose of the meeting to keep silence? No

Was it essential for the purpose of the meeting not to speak? No

Was the purpose of the meeting just to check if everybody is around? No

Were there any sounds in the meeting room during this meeting? Yope

Was the meeting conducted via electronic means? No
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Doriana:

Did they write instead of speak? Yes

Did they think the room was bugged? No
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Did they write on paper? on a computer?

Should we figure out what kind of team they are? what field they work in?

Relevant how many people are on the team? If so, less than five? less than 10? less than 20? more than that? Are they all H/A/M? H/A/mixed?
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Doriana:

Did they write on paper? No
on a computer? No

Should we figure out what kind of team they are? That might help
what field they work in? That might help

Relevant how many people are on the team? No
If so, less than five? less than 10? less than 20? more than that? There were eleven in the team

Are they all H/A/M? H/A/mixed? H/A/irrelevant - but probably all male
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Are they a football team? Is the meeting held during the break in the match?
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Redwine:

Are they a football team? No
Is the meeting held during the break in the match? No
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Was the meeting conducted in a room? In an open space?
Were they sport team?
Were they afraid someone could overhear them and wanted to avoid it?
Is it relevant in which language did they write?
Did every participant of the meeting see the rest of team members with his naked eyes?
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Redwine:

Was the meeting conducted in a room? No

In an open space? Yes

Were they sport team? No

Were they afraid someone could overhear them and wanted to avoid it? No

Is it relevant in which language did they write? No

Did every participant of the meeting see the rest of team members with his naked eyes? Yes
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Were they communicating electronically?
Were there other participants who participated remotely, as in appearing on a screen or other device? If so, were they speaking?
Was Mohamed present at the open-space meeting?
Or did he participate remotely?
Are occupations relevant?
Want to have another glance at my list? Because I've improved it...
Is the nature of the open space relevant?
Is it a park? Out in the wilderness? Other?
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Did they not speak because it was too noisy in the area to hear each other? Was the team related to a profession? Were they in construction? Aerospace? Scientists? Were they conducting some type of test? Would speaking have ruined the test? Is the fact that there were 11 helpful?
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Yojimbo:

Were they communicating electronically? No

Were there other participants who participated remotely, as in appearing on a screen or other device? No
If so, were they speaking? n/a

Was Mohamed present at the open-space meeting? Yes
Or did he participate remotely? No

Are occupations relevant? Yes, slightly

Want to have another glance at my list? Because I've improved it... ok ;-)

Is the nature of the open space relevant? Yes

Is it a park? No Out in the wilderness? No Other? Yes
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Rubberduck

Did they not speak because it was too noisy in the area to hear each other? No

Was the team related to a profession? Yes

Were they in construction? No Aerospace? No Scientists? No

Were they conducting some type of test? No

Would speaking have ruined the test? n/a

Is the fact that there were 11 helpful? No
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Are they IT? Are they psychologists?
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Was the open space in a city? On the sidewalk? Street? Was the open space in the suburbs? Backyard? Was it a private space? Or could anyone use it?
Was the team all employees of the same company? Or first responders like firemen? Police? Paramedics? Did the team work for a government? Was it millitary? Did the meeting have anything to do with religion? Nature? Was the meeting some sort of practice? Was it a team of musicians? Singers? Anything related to music?
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Redwine:

Are they IT? As in work in Information Technology? No. Or as in "IT" - the answer to life the universe and everything? Still no ;-)

Are they psychologists? No


Rubberduck:

Was the open space in a city? No
On the sidewalk? No
Street? No

Was the open space in the suburbs? No
Backyard? No
Was it a private space? No
Or could anyone use it? Yes

Was the team all employees of the same company? No
Or first responders like firemen? No
Police? No
Paramedics? No
Did the team work for a government? Yes
Was it millitary? No

Did the meeting have anything to do with religion? No
Nature? Yes

Was the meeting some sort of practice? No

Was it a team of musicians? No
Singers? No
Anything related to music? No
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per Nature: birdwatchers relevant? although we can be a chatty group, we're mostly pretty silent, field glasses pressed to our faces, when migrating warblers and others pass through.
Anyone gasping with delight, while not speaking?
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Yojimbo:

per Nature: birdwatchers relevant? No
although we can be a chatty group, we're mostly pretty silent, field glasses pressed to our faces, when migrating warblers and others pass through. Birdhides are indeed not noted for their party atmosphere!

Anyone gasping with delight, while not speaking? Well, it's possible, but irrelevant if so.
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Government team:
Involved in public safety?
Municipal government?
County/shire?
State? Country?
relevant?
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Yojimbo:

Government team:
Involved in public safety? Yes but many other things too

Municipal government? No
County/shire? No
State? No
Country? Yes
relevant? Yes
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Were they Prime Minister and his cabinet?
Was the meeting conducted to watch something? hear something?
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Redwine:

Were they Prime Minister and his cabinet? President and his cabinet

Was the meeting conducted to watch something? No
hear something? No
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Was it only one "silent" meeting of the cabinet? Has it already happened before? After?
Did the cabinet commemorate someone?
Was the meeting held somewhere when sound could put participants in danger? Site of a catastrophe?
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Redwine:

Was it only one "silent" meeting of the cabinet? Yes
Has it already happened before? No
After? No

Did the cabinet commemorate someone? No

Was the meeting held somewhere when sound could put participants in danger? No
Site of a catastrophe? No
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Were they in the place where speaking was forbidden?
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Redwine:

Were they in the place where speaking was forbidden? No
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Did the cabinet meet in the forest? In the cave? In the mountainside? At the seaside? On an island?
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Redwine:

Did the cabinet meet
in the forest? No
In the cave? No
In the mountainside? No
At the seaside? No
On an island? No
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Would it be helpful to discover what country's government was that? Would it be helpful to discover when it happened?
Was it a legal and only government of the country? Did it happen during wartime?
Did any relevant people observe the meeting?
Did the meeting happen in the desert?
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Note: as we've progressed, I've realised this puzzle effectively comes in two parts, and I think the puzzle will be most interesting if both are solved:
Part A: Why did they not speak?
Part B: What caused that situation?

Maybe you'll solve both at once; maybe you'll solve one and then the other. In terms of what's "helpful" or "relevant", I will say "Yes" if it's relevant to either part. This also holds true for previous answers, I believe.



Redwine:

Would it be helpful to discover what country's government was that? Yes

Would it be helpful to discover when it happened? Slightly

Was it a legal and only government of the country? Yes

Did it happen during wartime? No

Did any relevant people observe the meeting? Yes

Did the meeting happen in the desert? No
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Was it a Middle - East country? Asian country? European country? American country? Australia?
Was the place of the meeting essential to the topic and the agenda of the meeting? Was the meeting held in rural area?
Did the cabinet members not speak because they wanted to? Were they forced not to speak? Was their non-speaking determined by the location of the meeting? The agenda of the meeting?
Were they trying to prove the point? To show their care about particular issue?
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Redwine:

Was it a Middle - East country? No
Asian country? Yes
European country? No
American country? No
Australia? No

Was the place of the meeting essential to the topic and the agenda of the meeting? Yesish

Was the meeting held in rural area? No

Did the cabinet members not speak because they wanted to? Yes, in as much as they chose not to speak of their own free will
Were they forced not to speak? No

Was their non-speaking determined by the location of the meeting? Yes
The agenda of the meeting? No, except for the fact that the agenda influenced the location

Were they trying to prove the point? Not exactly
To show their care about particular issue? Yes, this is more accurate
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Were they symbolically silent to demonstrate their concern for, or solidarity with, a group who is for some reason "silenced?"
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Yojimbo:

Were they symbolically silent to demonstrate their concern for, or solidarity with, a group who is for some reason "silenced?" No
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The area is not urban, not suburban, not rural and not in the wilderness...
Is it a sort of protected site of nature? On the water? industrial site outside the city? research site?
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Redwine:

The area is not urban, not suburban, not rural and not in the wilderness... Correct

Is it a sort of protected site of nature? Possibly protected, I don't know, but irrelevant if so

On the water? No
industrial site outside the city? No
research site? No
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Note: For clarification, it's possible that "wilderness" could be considered the correct term for the location - depends on your definition a bit, I guess. So perhaps rephrase the "wilderness" bit to check I've answered correctly?
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Is the type of site where they met unique for this particular country?
Did the cabinet meet in the air? Underground? On a volcano?
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Redwine:

Is the type of site where they met unique for this particular country? No

Did the cabinet meet in the air? No
Underground? No
On a volcano? No
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Did they meet underwater?
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Building on Doriana's idea... Did they wear anything that make speaking impossible/very difficult?
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Doriana:

Did they meet underwater? Yes


Redwine:

Building on Doriana's idea... Did they wear anything that make speaking impossible/very difficult? No
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When they were underwater, were they in a submarine? In a bathyscaphe? In some kind of underwater building/installation? Just swimming?
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Were they doing a simulation of space exploration?
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Redwine:

When they were underwater, were they in a submarine? No
In a bathyscaphe? Hang on...
...*goes to google what one of them is*...
...No

In some kind of underwater building/installation? No
Just swimming? No


Kayleearafinwiel:

Were they doing a simulation of space exploration? No
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Aquaculture relevant?
Coral beds relevant?
other sea-life relevant?
you know how much I adore sea-life...
Were they kitted out with scuba gear?
Snorkeling?
Just in swim suits?
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Were they wet during the meeting? Could they have touched water during the meeting?
Were they in a man-made structure?
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Yojimbo:

Aquaculture relevant? No
Coral beds relevant? No
other sea-life relevant? No
you know how much I adore sea-life... ;-)
Were they kitted out with scuba gear? Yes
Snorkeling? No
Just in swim suits? No


Redwine:

Were they wet during the meeting? Yes
Could they have touched water during the meeting? Yes
Were they in a man-made structure? No
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Is the only reason of non-speaking the fact they were underwater? Or is there more to it?
Were they underwater to see the works concerning any man-made structure (like tunnel, pipes, cables)?
Is any contamination relevant?
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Redwine:

Is the only reason of non-speaking the fact they were underwater? Or is there more to it?

I mentioned before that this puzzle comes in two parts:
Part A: Why did they not speak?
Part B: What caused that situation?

I think it's safe to say you've now solved Part A :-)


***Part-Solution Checkpoint***

Mohamed organised a team meeting, where the agenda was followed and completed. Yet no-one spoke the whole time. Why not?

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President Mohamed organised a meeting with his cabinet. This meeting took place in scuba gear, underwater, where the agenda was followed and completed - without any talking since sound wouldn't travel through water so there was no point trying. Why did they hold this cabinet meeting underwater?

You also know:
- they wrote something, but not on paper or a computer
- the meeting had something to do with nature
- the meeting was not a practice
- it was the only meeting of its kind that they had
- they were not commemorating anyone
- relevant people observed the meeting
- it was an Asian country
- the place of the meeting was 'yopishly' essential to the topic and agenda of the meeting
- they were, sort of, trying to show they care about a particular issue
- they were not planning any space exploration



Redwine:

Were they underwater to see the works concerning any man-made structure (like tunnel, pipes, cables)? No

Is any contamination relevant? Yes
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Did they write on boards the divers use to communicate underwater?
Was the water contaminated with oil? With something radioactive?
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Was Mohamed the president of a coastal state? a land-locked state? Island state? East Asia? West Asia? North Asia? South Asia?
Was the meeting observed by the press?
Did they meet in the sea? a lake? a reservoir?
Was water quality the issue they were addressing?
Contamination:
industrial? spills, leaks, or other emissions?
agricultural? nitrate run-off?
algae blooms relevant?
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Redwine:

Did they write on boards the divers use to communicate underwater? Yes - they wrote on some sort of waterproof whiteboards

Was the water contaminated with oil? No
With something radioactive? No


Yojimbo:

Was Mohamed the president of
a coastal state? No
a land-locked state? No
Island state? Yes

East Asia? West Asia? North Asia? South Asia?
Southwest

Was the meeting observed by the press? Yes

Did they meet
in the sea? Yes
a lake? No
a reservoir? No

Was water quality the issue they were addressing? No

Contamination:
industrial? Partly
spills No
leaks No
or other emissions? Yes
agricultural? Partly
nitrate run-off? No
algae blooms relevant? No
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Southwest Asia - Indian Ocean? Arabian Sea?
Contamination: they weren't addressing contamination of the sea, or water in general?
Contamination of the air, or of land...?
Do ordinary citizens also contribute to the relevant contamination?
Ah: greenhouse gasses relevant?
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Yojimbo:

Southwest Asia -
Indian Ocean? Yes
Arabian Sea? No

Contamination: they weren't addressing contamination of the sea, or water in general?
Contamination of the air, or of land...? Chiefly air, and...
Do ordinary citizens also contribute to the relevant contamination? ...yes, because...
Ah: greenhouse gasses relevant? ...greenhouse gasses are indeed the relevant contamination.
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Would it help to determine which one of greenhouse gases they were concerned of? Were they concerned of greenhouse gases in general?
Did they want to experience a particular effect of greenhouse gases? If yes, melting the ice on earth? Rising ocean level? Did they want to show where would they be if greenhouse gases emission did not decrease?
Were they government of Maledives?
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Redwine beat me to it.
Were they demonstrating their concern about a vanishing coastline?
we ponder these things on my island, although I'm not one of the wealthy living at the shore.
...and Maldives is a country? In my ignorance, I suppose, I've thought it was a territory or colony or something...
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Redwine:

Would it help to determine which one of greenhouse gases they were concerned of? No
Were they concerned of greenhouse gases in general? Yes

Did they want to experience a particular effect of greenhouse gases? No - they actively _didn't_ want to experience it!
If yes, melting the ice on earth? This is relevant because it would have caused...
Rising ocean level? ...this, which is exactly what they didn't want to experience.

Did they want to show where would they be if greenhouse gases emission did not decrease? Yes
Were they government of Maledive The Maldives - Yes


Yojimbo:

Redwine beat me to it. Yes ;-)

Were they demonstrating their concern about a vanishing coastline? More than just the coastline - potentially an entire vanishing country!

...and Maldives is a country? Yes
In my ignorance, I suppose, I've thought it was a territory or colony or something... Indeed not


And so we arrive at the...

***************Spoiler***************

Mohamed Nasheed, President of the Maldives, had - and probably still has - grave concerns about climate change, and believed the powerful countries of the world were doing too little to address the issue. A symptom of climate change is rising sea levels - with 80% of its land less than one metre above sea level, if sea levels continue to rise, the Maldives will mostly end up underwater!

In an effort to bring global awareness to their plight, President Mohamed arranged for his cabinet to show the world what it would be like to govern their country under such circumstances - by donning scuba gear and holding the whole cabinet meeting underwater.

His cabinet team, (I think actually minus a couple on health grounds, but for this puzzle, I said they all attended), were kitted up and sat at tables laid underwater, along with some safety divers and a collection of journalists. They communicated with waterproof pens and whiteboards, along with hand-signals. The main agenda item was to sign a document calling for global cuts in carbon emissions, which they did by passing around a waterproofed document for each to sign.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8311838.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8312320.stm

Talking was of course pointless because although they could have spoken, they wouldn't have been able to hear each other because their ears were full of water. I don't actually know if any of them spoke, but for the purposes of this puzzle I assumed they didn't bother trying.

This happened in 2009, and whether it's had any effect, I don't know. The Kyoto agreement never got agreement from all countries, particularly but not exclusively the USA, and with the global recession, much focus is on economy over ecology. With the recent UN report saying they were 95% sure that humans were the dominant cause of climate change, it's still a topical issue, so perhaps there's hope yet. And for the moment, at least, the Maldives is still above sea level, so if you want to visit it then get going while it's still there! :-D


Well done to all :-)
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Pretty great puzzle; thanks for posting it. Pretty dire situation we're in on our home planet...
I'm going to check out what I can learn about Maldives... er, I could have posted a puzzle: "I used to have a scrund about an island in the Indian Ocean until the LTPF set me straight."
Psydkik, I left a note for you in the chatroom, and I'll include it here: did you find my easter egg for you in the thread of my puzzle "discovery?"
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Very nice and impressive puzzle, thanks Psydkik.

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