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A bird told him.
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A bird - is exact species of bird relevant to this puzzle?
Him - H? A? M? Was he a scientist? An ornitologist?
Did the bird tell also someone else?
Are more people than him relevant to the puzzle?
Would it help to discover time? and location? of the puzzle?
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Was the 'bird' a female human?
Did she tell him to stop calling her a 'bird'? ;-)
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A bird - is exact species of bird relevant to this puzzle? yes
Him - H? A? M? yes he a scientist? yes An ornitologist?
Did the bird tell also someone else? yes
Are more people than him relevant to the puzzle? in a way
Would it help to discover time? and location? of the puzzle? both
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Was the 'bird' a female human? nope
Did she tell him to stop calling her a 'bird'? ;-) Had she been a female human, and he'd been calling her a "bird," I'd like to think that she would have been charmed. But that's irrelevant.
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Were they finches?
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Were they finches? no
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Was the bird a big one, like an eagle? Small one, like a swallow? Water one, like a swan? Was it a species that people raise for practical use?
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Was the bird a big one, like an eagle? no Small one, like a swallow? no Water one, like a swan? no Was it a species that people raise for practical use? no
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Was it a tropical bird? Was this bird held in captivity? Did he see that bird in its natural environment?
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Was it a tropical bird? no Was this bird held in captivity? no Did he see that bird in its natural environment? yes
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Was the bird alive when he saw it?
Did seeing the bird lead man to a discovery? If yes, did the discovery concern physics? biology?
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Was the bird alive when he saw it? yes
Did seeing the bird lead man to a discovery? yes If yes, did the discovery concern physics? no biology? no
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Could the bird fly?

Did he discover his discovery on the evidence of just the one bird? Did he need also to see more birds? Or other things too?

Did he see the bird in Asia? N America? S America? Europe? Africa?

Did this discovery happen in the 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? earlier?
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Could the bird fly? yes
Did he discover his discovery on the evidence of just the one bird? yes, and others of its species Did he need also to see more birds? yes Or other things too? other things are not as relevant
Did he see the bird in Asia? N America? this S America? Europe? Africa?
Did this discovery happen in the 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? this earlier?
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Was the discovery something to do with bird biology? That he was able to expand on to discover something about biology more generally?
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Was the discovery something to do with bird biology? no That he was able to expand on to discover something about biology more generally? no
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If the bird could not fly, would he still have made his discovery? Is his discovery related to a technical invention?
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oops, asked about biology when already knew it wasn't... confused it with another current puzzle where biology is already known to be relevant!

Was his discovery to do with the bird's:
- actions?
- communication?
- living arrangements?
- food?
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Was his discovery to do with the bird's:
- actions?
- communication?
- living arrangements?
- food?
none of the above
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Could you please answer my questions?
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oops -- sorry I missed your Qs...
If the bird could not fly, would he still have made his discovery? yes, although his conclusion would be suspect Is his discovery related to a technical invention? no
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Was it a scientific discovery? As in the sort of discovery that if you made one today of equal significance you'd write it up in a scientific journal?

Was it a discovery about an ongoing investigation into something? Like a discovery about the murderer in a murder case? Or a discovery about the disappearance of a racehorse?

Could he have made the same discovery if instead of watching a bird, he had instead watched:
- a bat?
- a butterfly?
- a steam-powered helicopter? (they had those in C18, right? ;-))
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Was it a scientific discovery? yes As in the sort of discovery that if you made one today of equal significance you'd write it up in a scientific journal? yes; it was highly significant and insightful, particularly for the time
Was it a discovery about an ongoing investigation into something? Like a discovery about the murderer in a murder case? Or a discovery about the disappearance of a racehorse? none of these -- and he discovered something which had never been considered, to accurately address "ongoing investigation"
Could he have made the same discovery if instead of watching a bird, he had instead watched:
- a bat?
- a butterfly?
- a steam-powered helicopter? (they had those in C18, right? ;-))
none of these; only the bird could have told him
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did the bird have a different 'accent' than another bird of the same sort?
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did the bird have a different 'accent' than another bird of the same sort? it did, and still does, but it's irrelevant
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Did he make discovery in the field of mathematics? chemistry? Social sciences?
Did he make his discovery instantly when he saw the bird? And if yes,
Did the bird do anything relevant when the discovery was made?
Did he expect/plan to see the bird?
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Did he make discovery in the field of mathematics? chemistry? Social sciences? none of these
Did he make his discovery instantly when he saw the bird? fairly promptly And if yes,
Did the bird do anything relevant when the discovery was made? no
Did he expect/plan to see the bird? no
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Did his discovery concern medicine? Geography?
Was he surprised to see this bird?
Was he surprised to see this bird at that time?
Was he surprised to see this bird in this location?
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Did his discovery concern medicine? Geography? loosely this
Was he surprised to see this bird? possibly
Was he surprised to see this bird at that time? irrelevant
Was he surprised to see this bird in this location? he may have been, but let's say not that relevant
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Are bird migrations relevant to this puzzle? Is climate relevant to this puzzle?
Did he see the bird in [LTPF list of continents]?
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Was the bird:
- a bird of prey?
- nocturnal?
- waterfowl?
- a member of the crow family?
- generally found at the seaside rather than inland?
- a 'garden bird'?

Bigger than a sparrow? Smaller than a sparrow? A similar size to a sparrow? A sparrow?
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Are bird migrations relevant to this puzzle? no Is climate relevant to this puzzle? no
Did he see the bird in [LTPF list of continents]? North America

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Was the bird:
- a bird of prey?
- nocturnal?
- waterfowl?
- a member of the crow family? this
- generally found at the seaside rather than inland?
- a 'garden bird'?

Bigger than a sparrow? this Smaller than a sparrow? A similar size to a sparrow? A sparrow?
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Oh dear, not good on N American birds... I wonder how many are the same in the UK...

Was the bird a:
- Crow?
- Raven?
- Rook?
- Jackdaw?
- Chough?
- Magpie?

Was the discovery to do with psychology?
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Oh dear, not good on N American birds... I wonder how many are the same in the UK...
for your elucidation, I'll put an * next to birds we share

Was the bird a:
- Crow? *ish where I live, we have our very own crow -- the Northwestern Crow
- Raven? * my favorite avian badass -- I see and hear them every day
- Rook?
- Jackdaw?
- Chough?
- Magpie? *
the enlightening bird was none of these
Was the discovery to do with psychology? no
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Before he saw the bird, did he think that this species is extint? That this species does not live in North America? That this species cannot fly? That there is no such a species at all?
Is it relevant in which season of the year he saw the bird?
Did he saw the bird in the forest? On a seaside? On a meadow? In his own garden? Is it relevant where he saw the bird?
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I tried making your username colored a bit more like red wine... what do you think?
Before he saw the bird, did he think that this species is extint? That this species does not live in North America? That this species cannot fly? That there is no such a species at all? no to all
Is it relevant in which season of the year he saw the bird? no
Did he saw the bird in the forest? On a seaside? On a meadow? In his own garden? could be any of these but this Is it relevant where he saw the bird? generally: yes; specifically: no -- hope that's clear...?
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I noticed my new color and I like it very much :-) Thanks Yojimbo.

We know that the bird was seen in North America, is this enough about location that is relevant? Or do we need to find out more specific, yet still general location?
If the latter: was it the rural area? Urban area? On an island? Is temperature in that place relevant?
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I'm so tempted to create a new username called "Mr White" just to see Yojimbo struggle 50% of the time.

Was he unaware of his location? Had he been ditched on a desert island and swum for days to make it to the mainland, and, completely disorientated, looked around to work out what godforsaken country he'd landed on. Looking around hoping desperately for signs of cars driving down the left-hand-side of roads covered in days' worth of rain, to tell him he was in the lovely UK, he instead caught sight of a Northwestern Crow, and his heart sunk as he realised he was stuck in the USA and the best he could hope for was nipping round to Yojimbo's house for a cup of tea and to tell his story so that it could get turned into a lateral puzzle. ?
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Redwine
you're welcome; at least you're more accomodating than Lieutenant Grey, or Mr White, or whoever Psydkik would rather be...
We know that the bird was seen in North America, is this enough about location that is relevant? more will help Or do we need to find out more specific, yet still general location? doesn't need to be too specific - we don't need GPS coordinates - but pinning it down further will help
If the latter: was it the rural area? this; wilderness Urban area? On an island? could have been Is temperature in that place relevant? no - mild climate, though

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Mr White and Lieutenant Grey are always welcome
Was he unaware of his location? it was new to him Had he been ditched on a desert island this is oddly OTRT and swum for days to make it to the mainland, and, completely disorientated, looked around to work out what godforsaken country he'd landed on. he didn't land in a country... Looking around hoping desperately for signs of cars driving down the left-hand-side of roads covered in days' worth of rain, ...although it was indeed possibly quite rainy where he landed... to tell him he was in the lovely UK, he instead caught sight of a Northwestern Crow, and his heart sunk as he realised he was stuck in the USA ...but it wasn't the USA, and he'd never been to the UK... and the best he could hope for was nipping round to Yojimbo's house for a cup of tea and to tell his story so that it could get turned into a lateral puzzle. ? ...and we'd have loved having him as a guest, and could have managed a passable conversation, had we been alive at the time
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Oh, so he is no longer alive?
Did he live in the 20th century, 19th, 18th?
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Rescind that last question. I see it was answered above.
May I make a WAG about the identity of 'him'?
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May I make a WAG about the identity of 'him'? go for it -- how polite of you to ask...
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Did the bird tell him that he could survive in that area? Did the birt tell him where he was? Was he a castaway?
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Did the bird tell him that he could survive in that area? Did the bird tell him where he was? neither Was he a castaway? eventually, but well after his enlightening encounter with the bird, so it's irrelevant to the discovery, but an interesting part of his story
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Did the bird come to the place where it was seen by him from somewhere important? Does the man's discovery concern history? Antropology? Means of transportation?
Is that species of bird held captive/bred by humans in other parts of the world?
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Did the bird come to the place where it was seen by him from somewhere important? OTRT Does the man's discovery concern history? Antropology? Means of transportation? none of these
Is that species of bird held captive/bred by humans in other parts of the world? no, but doing fine on their own
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Has it been established if this is RL or not? FSEI? FYOI?
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Has it been established if this is RL or not? FSEI? FYOI? Real HAM -- eventually a castaway, but that's not relevant to the puzzle -- and a real bird
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Did he discover a new land? New type of landscape? A source of water?
Is it relevant what this species of bird eat? How it builds its nests?
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Did he discover a new land? New type of landscape? A source of water? none of these
Is it relevant what this species of bird eat? no How it builds its nests? no
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Did his discovery (or its results) appear on maps?
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Did his discovery (or its results) appear on maps? yope
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Could it have happened in his garden if his garden had been in another location?

If the Crow had been dead, could he still have made his discovery?
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Could it have happened in his garden if his garden had been in another location? I suppose it could have
If the Crow not a crow, but related had been dead, could he still have made his discovery? yes
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You said earlier that the conclusion of the discovery would be suspect if the bird could not fly. Would the same apply to the situation when the bird is dead?
Does the discovery have to do with the anatomy of the bird?
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You said earlier that the conclusion of the discovery would be suspect if the bird could not fly. Would the same apply to the situation when the bird is dead? perhaps hard to answer - he would assume, having found a dead bird, that it was capable of flight. My previous answer to your question might have misled, but his contemporaries might have said, "It can't fly? Well, then, how did it get there?" Let's say the bird's capacity for flight is irrelevant -- although, FMOE, they're marvelous flyers
Does the discovery have to do with the anatomy of the bird? no
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So, was the discovery connected with where the bird came from? Did its presence prove it came from a distant location? Location of relevant features?
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So, was the discovery connected with where the bird came from? yes Did its presence prove it came from a distant location? yesish Location of relevant features? not sure what you mean...
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Did the bird's presence prove it came from certain location (like: from the mountainside, from the seaside etc.)?
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Did the bird's presence prove it came from certain location (like: from the mountainside, from the seaside etc.)? something about the bird indicated a connection to somewhere else
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Did the bird come from another continent? From another type of surrounding? Did it flee from the zoo? Was the bird part of experiment?
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Did the bird come from another continent? this is OTRT From another type of surrounding? Did it flee from the zoo? Was the bird part of experiment? no to the rest
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Was there anything attached to the bird?
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Did the bird's presence prove there had to be some land between the location where the bird came from and the location where he saw it?
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Was there anything attached to the bird? no

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Did the bird's presence prove there had to be some land between the location where the bird came from and the location where he saw it? yesish
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Did he know, as soon as he saw the bird, where from it came?
Did he know, as soon as he saw the bird, which way it took?
Did the bird fly the whole way (as opposed to, for example, taking a ride on the deck of a ship)?
Was the bird in good condition?
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Did he know, as soon as he saw the bird, where from it came? yes, but with a FA
Did he know, as soon as he saw the bird, which way it took? again: yes, but with a FA
Did the bird fly the whole way (as opposed to, for example, taking a ride on the deck of a ship)? yes: same FA
Was the bird in good condition? yes
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Was the bird able to swim, besides being able to fly?
Does the FA concern the amount of time between seeing the bird and making discovery? Or rather the bird's starting point?
Did the bird live in the place where it was spotted and visited *other continent* for a holiday?
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Was the bird able to swim, besides being able to fly? no
Does the FA concern the amount of time between seeing the bird and making discovery? no Or rather the bird's starting point? no
Did the bird live in the place where it was spotted and visited *other continent* for a holiday? no, but that's charming
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So, the bird starts from the point A on one continent, takes a break on Land B and lands finally in point C (on another continent than point A), where it is finally spotted by the man. Correct?
Did it travel over the sea/ocean from point A to B? From point B to C?
Did man's discovery concern the existence/location of Land B? Features of Land B?
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So, the bird starts from the point A on one continent, takes a break FA, but I think, irrel on Land B and lands finally in point C (on another continent than point A) yes, where it is finally spotted by the man. Correct? yes
Did it travel over the sea/ocean from point A to B? From point B to C? no to either
Did man's discovery concern the existence/location of Land B? Features of Land B? OTRT
there’s still a lingering FA about the bird’s activities…
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The not-quite-a-Crow was seen in North America?

It had previously been on another continent? South America?

It had flown between the two places? Or been transported by someone else?
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The not-quite-a-Crow was seen in North America? yes
It had previously been on another continent? FA South America? no
It had flown between the two places? Or been transported by someone else? FA for both
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Did the same one not-quite-a-Crow travel between continents? Was it rather a migration of the whole species?
The bird yesishly came from distant location, other continent was OTRT and the bird flew the whole way... Did the bird travel over the land?
Did the man see the bird at sea? Did the bird travel a long way inside the same continent? Between a continent and territories that are not a continent?
Was the not-quite-a-Crow a totally new species?
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Did the same one not-quite-a-Crow travel between continents? no Was it rather a migration of the whole species? no
The bird yesishly came from distant location, other continent was OTRT and the bird flew the whole way... OTRT Did the bird travel over the land? yesish
Did the man see the bird at sea? no Did the bird travel a long way inside the same continent? yesish Between a continent and territories that are not a continent? no
Was the not-quite-a-Crow a totally new species? to him, yes – he discovered it – but this is not the “discovery” relevant to the puzzle. Explore…
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Gah, in trying to unpick Redwine's FA's, now I have one of my own...

You sure the answer to "It had previously been on another continent?" isn't just "No"? Or is it just that I worded it as a statement with a question mark instead of a question? Let's try that out...


Had it previously been on another continent?

Assuming the answer to that must still be "FA"...

The not-quite-a-crow existed?
The not-quite-a-crow existed on a continent?
The not quite-a-crow existed on the continent of North America?
It had a past?
At some point in its past it had been somewhere other than where it was now?
It had previously been sitting in front of the TV?
It had previously been having a meal out with a friend?
It had previously been on another continent?
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Had it previously been on another continent? no, but still OTRT
The not-quite-a-crow existed? yes
The not-quite-a-crow existed on a continent? yes
The not quite-a-crow existed on the continent of North America? yes
It had a past? yes: worth exploring
At some point in its past it had been somewhere other than where it was now? no, but OTRT
It had previously been sitting in front of the TV? it's too smart for that
It had previously been having a meal out with a friend? this is possible, and likely, but irrel
It had previously been on another continent? no, but OTRT
hope I haven't misled; I'll look through the thread and see if I've blooped or otherwise need to clarify...
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Had the conditions in its living place changed but it still was able to live there?
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Had the conditions in its living place changed but it still was able to live there? no
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Did the not-quite-a-crow forever live in the place where it was seen by man?
Did the not-quite-a-crow species live on another continent? If yes, is it relevant how it got to the place where it was spotted?
Was the travel from one continent to another made by the whole species during a long period of time, not by the single not-quite-a-crow? (By the way, can that bird get a name?)
Did this not-quite-a-crow species evolve from the species that lived previously on another continent?
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Did the not-quite-a-crow forever live in the place where it was seen by man? no
Did the not-quite-a-crow species live on another continent? not this one, no If yes, is it relevant how it got to the place where it was spotted? although the previous answer was no, this is OTRT
Was the travel from one continent to another made by the whole species during a long period of time, not by the single not-quite-a-crow? yesish (By the way, can that bird get a name?) [for you to discover, I’m afraid – and I’d prefer that you not invoke an [LTPF list of birds in the crow family in N America] until we narrow down where our HAM made his discovery, as there are nearly a hundred possible species
Did this not-quite-a-crow species evolve from the species that lived previously on another continent? yesish – good question – explore
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******* clarification *******
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Did the not-quite-a-crow forever live in the place where it was seen by man? if by "forever" you mean "always," the answer is yes
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I meant just a random name, not to repeat not-quite-a-crow :-) And yes, I meant "always", which totally was out of my mind while asking the question.
Would it be then correct to say that the species from which the Bird X evolve came to the location where Bird X was seen by man from another continent during its evolution in the long period of time? Is it relevant why the species had to move? Is it relevant how specifically did the species evolve? Did the previous species evolve into two or more species?
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I meant just a random name, not to repeat not-quite-a-crow :-) And yes, I meant "always", which totally was out of my mind while asking the question. I see you’ve given it a name… should have figured out that was what you meant…
Would it be then correct to say that the species from which the Bird X evolve came to the location where Bird X was seen by man from another continent during its evolution in the long period of time? yope Is it relevant why the species had to move? no Is it relevant how specifically did the species evolve? no; evolution is a pretty determined engine, attempting to fill all gaps… Did the previous species evolve into two or more species? yes, but not really relevant
...and perhaps a HINT: evolution, although a factor in the “discovery,” is not the nature of the discovery
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Did Bird Y (evolutionary ancestor of Bird X) live on the other continent than the one where Bird X was spotted? Did Bird X also live on that other continent at that time? Did Bird X live only on the continent where it was spotted? Is the point of the discovery how/why it moved? Or was something else revealed by the fact that it moved?
Was the Bird X spotted on a continent? Did the Bird Y live on a continent?
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Did Bird Y (evolutionary ancestor of Bird X) live on the other continent than the one where Bird X was spotted? yes Did Bird X also live on that other continent at that time? no Did Bird X live only on the continent where it was spotted? yes Is the point of the discovery how/why it moved? yesish, with a slight FA Or was something else revealed by the fact that it moved? yes, with the same FA
Was the Bird X spotted on a continent? Did the Bird Y live on a continent? yes to both
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We already know that the bird was spotted in the Northwest of North America, wilderness with a mild climate and that exact GPS coordinates are not required. Do we need to know more about the location where the bird was spotted?
Did the FA in my previous questions concern the word "moved"?
Why it moved: did it look for better conditions for nesting? For reproduction? Did it look for food?
How it moved: did it fly? Were the continents originally (at the times of Bird Y) very close one to another?
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We already know that the bird was spotted in the Northwest of North America, wilderness with a mild climate yeah, it's pretty ideal here and that exact GPS coordinates are not required. Do we need to know more about the location where the bird was spotted? no
Did the FA in my previous questions concern the word "moved"? yes
Why it moved: did it look for better conditions for nesting? For reproduction? Did it look for food? yopish – nature fills all available niches, so any of these might apply, or not -- so let's say not relevant
How it moved: did it fly? likely mostly this Were the continents originally (at the times of Bird Y) very close one to another? yes
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So did the discovery concern movement of continents?
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So did the discovery concern movement of continents? yesish -- good Q; very much OTRT
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Did the fact of appearance of the Bird X in North America prove it was in some point of time very close to another continent?
Is North-West Passage relevant to this puzzle?
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Did the fact of appearance of the Bird X in North America prove it was in some point of time very close to another continent? yesish
Is North-West Passage relevant to this puzzle? no
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Trying to trace and eliminate an ish...
Did the discovery concern movement of lands that are not continents? Did the discovery concern how the continents formed?
Are the relevant continents also today very close one to another but at that time the man did not know it?
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Did the discovery concern movement of lands that are not continents? no Did the discovery concern how the continents formed? no, but OTRT
Are the relevant continents also today very close one to another but at that time the man did not know it? they're close, and were at the time of the discovery, and he knew it
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Pangaea relevant? Tectonic plates? Atlantis?
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Auks? Penguins? (because penguins)
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Pangaea relevant? Tectonic plates? Atlantis? no to all, although a piece of land which now no longer exists is relevant [pretending that Atlantis ever existed...]
Auks? Penguins? (because penguins) neither of these, nor puffins, guillemots, or albatrosses -- perhaps you'll have to wait until I contrive a puzzle set in Antarctica for the penguins to appear...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Auk <--Original penguin O_O
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Did the non-existing piece of land exist at the time discovery was made? At the time the species changed its location?
Was the discovery that the piece of land in question ever existed, and therefore the species was able to migrate?
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Did the non-existing piece of land exist at the time discovery was made? no At the time the species changed its location? OTRT
Was the discovery that the piece of land in question ever existed, and therefore the species was able to migrate? this is closest, so we'll hoist the

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Georg Steller, a German naturalist who sailed with Vitus Bering on his Second Kamchatka Expedition in 1740, was the first non-native to make landfall in Alaska, and on the trip, encountered a number of animals which he was the first to identify.
Among them was the Steller’s Jay, and due to its resemblance to a Eurasian Jay, Steller proposed that the two continents had once been contiguous, connected by a land bridge.
They had been, during epochs of massive glaciation, when the sea level had dropped as water was tied up in polar and other ice, exposing the shallows between NE Asia, and NW North America, a vanished land now known as “Beringia.”
The Jay, indeed, was related to the jay with which Steller was familiar, having had the opportunity to evolve and relocate, along with other related corvids, while there was available land crossing.
Other evidence supporting Steller’s hypothesis about the land bridge finally appeared over two hundred years later, when geologists and others determined the circumstances supporting his theory. And his proposal was merely based upon an encounter with a bird.
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I encourage you to visit related online articles.
The Wikipedia page on Georg Steller suggests that he knew Alaska was connected to North America, based on the Steller’s Jay’s resemblance to the American Blue Jay, but Steller never made it deep enough into North America to encounter the Blue Jay, which has yet to reach the Pacific coast of North America, due to intervening mountain ranges, so this claim is erroneous. Other material on the page is more substantiated, such as when he was marooned, with others on the expedition, on their return trip to Kamchatka. Quite an engaging story.

The Steller’s Jay is also the official provincial bird of British Columbia, Canada, and like all jays, is clever, cheeky, and gregarious. It’s a notorious mimic, well-known for imitating the calls of Red-Tailed Hawks, but I’ve also heard it mimic Bald Eagles, Cooper’s Hawks, Sharp-shinned hawks, and other buteos and raptors. Visit the Cornell Lab of Ornithology’s page on the Steller’s Jay to view stunning photos and other material, such as recordings of its calls and mimicking.
FMOE, I’ve had them visit my porch in droves for peanuts, even entering the house looking for more, and once had the opportunity to kiss a fledgling I found sleeping in the grass – but we won't be going much more into that. They’re stunning, gorgeous, and admirable birds, and I get to see and hear them every day.
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meant to add - props to puzzlers for their work on this, particularly stalwart and tenacious Redwine. Seems that she knocks down my puzzles over half the time with her skewering tenacity, and she has my greatest respect. Also, please visit her bollocks-oriented puzzle, "the bank job."
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Nice puzzle and impressive story of a great person.
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but...but the pumpkin! I never found it! *cries* =(
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Aha, a Jay... we do have them here in the UK too but I didn't think of them when making my little list of local crow species - probably because I haven't seen one in years as there aren't any local to us.
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Psydkik
Not seeing a jay in years would be tragic. Did you check out the link I posted, so you could see how gorgeous these Steller's Jays are?
And folks around here mistakenly call them "blue jays," which are also lovely birds, but as mentioned above, they have crossed the continent but the Cascade Mountain Range to the east of me has prevented them from reaching the Pacific shore. I hope they don't; they might taint our lovely bird's "stellar" genetics.
As long as I'm blathering on about local jays, we also have scrub jays, who are noisy [but amazing], and travel in large flocks, and gray jays, also known as "Canada jays," and "whiskeyjacks." They mainly lurk in the mountains, and are also called "camp robber jays." When backpacking and eating hot couscous for lunch, I've had to shoo them away from my bowl like flies.
Jays are amazing, as are all corvids.
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And yes, lest I forget: the pumpkin. Redwine found it, so she's our benchmark of cleverness. In a few days, I'll $poil that, too -- unless you prevail and I don't need to.
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I didn't find it :-(
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thanks for the email Yojimbo, but I am ashamed to say that even with your clues I still did not find it =(

I would rather be told where it was, I give up...
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thnx for the $poyler on the "pumpkin", I was really lost there. Now I see. =D Is funny.

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