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Posted on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 5:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deaaron tried to talk to Andy and was arrested.
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Deaaron - H? A? M?
Andy - H? A? M?
Did Deaaron know Andy? Did Andy know Deaaron? Was Deaaron arrested within minutes since he tried to talk to Andy? Hours? Days? Months? Years?
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Are both Deaaron and Andy HAMs?

Is the method of communication relevant?

If so, oral? Written? If written, was it done by hand? Electronically? Interception relevant?

Were they face-to-face? Did a telephone exchange occur?

Did Deaaron commit or attempt a crime? All other things being equal, could anyone have legally talked to Andy? Talked to Andy in this manner?
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Deaaron - H? A? M? yes to all
Andy - H? A? M? yes to all, FA lurking
Did Deaaron know Andy? no Did Andy know Deaaron? no Was Deaaron arrested within minutes since he tried to talk to Andy? yes Hours? Days? Months? Years?

Are both Deaaron and Andy HAMs? yes, FA lurking

Is the method of communication relevant? yes

If so, oral? this one Written? If written, was it done by hand? Electronically? Interception relevant? no

Were they face-to-face? yope Did a telephone exchange occur? no

Did Deaaron commit or attempt a crime? yes All other things being equal, could anyone have legally talked to Andy? yes Talked to Andy in this manner? yes
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If Andy had spoken back, would it have likely made international headlines?
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Is the title relevant? Conspiracy theories relevant? Like how conspiracy theorists will say "the proof is all around" when asked for the proof of their ridiculous theories?
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Is Andy a corpse?
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If Deaaron had had other form of communication with Andy, would he still have been arrested?
If Deaaron had met Andy and hadn't tried to speak to Andy, would he still have been arrested?
If Deaaron's attempt to talk to Andy had been successful, would he still have been arrested?
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If Andy had spoken back, would it have likely made international headlines? without a doubt

Is the title relevant? yes, but mostly misleading Conspiracy theories relevant? no Like how conspiracy theorists will say "the proof is all around" when asked for the proof of their ridiculous theories? no

Is Andy a corpse? yope, good question. explore

If Deaaron had had other form of communication with Andy, would he still have been arrested? yes
If Deaaron had met Andy and hadn't tried to speak to Andy, would he still have been arrested? yes, FA lurking
If Deaaron's attempt to talk to Andy had been successful, would he still have been arrested? yes
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Was Deaaron arrested for:
fraud ? lying ? misrepresenting himself ?
murder ? putting someone's life in danger ?
stealing ? robbery ?

Is Andy supposedly "on the other side" ?
Is it known whether Andy is alive ? Does Deaaron know this ?
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Was Deaaron arrested for:
fraud ? lying ? misrepresenting himself ?
murder ? putting someone's life in danger ?
stealing ? robbery ? none of these

Is Andy supposedly "on the other side" ? yes, but...
Is it known whether Andy is alive ? it is known Does Deaaron know this ? lets say yes
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So, is Andy alive? Was he ever alive?
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So, is Andy alive? no Was he ever alive? yes
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Channelling involved at all?

Do/did both men only ever have a single personality?
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If Deaaron had tried to speak instead to some unrelated dead bloke called Joe, would he have been arrested?
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Did Deaaron kill Andy? Is it relevant how Andy died?
Is Andy an archeological finding?
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Channelling involved at all? no

Do/did both men only ever have a single personality? no

If Deaaron had tried to speak instead to some unrelated dead bloke called Joe, would he have been arrested? yes, but not as quickly

Did Deaaron kill Andy? no Is it relevant how Andy died? no
Is Andy an archeological finding? no
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Did a third person report Deaaron to the police?
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Was Deaaron charged with profanation/desecration of the corpse?
Was Andy's corpse integral when Deaaron tried to talk to him?
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Did a third person report Deaaron to the police? no

Was Deaaron charged with profanation/desecration of the corpse? no
Was Andy's corpse integral when Deaaron tried to talk to him? no. Good question, explore
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Is occultism relevant? Did other people see Deaaron talking to Andy?
Were there Andy's: head? limbs? torso? internal organs?
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Is occultism relevant? no Did other people see Deaaron talking to Andy? no
Were there Andy's: head? yope limbs? torso? internal organs? no to these
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Was Deaaron trying to invoke Andy's ghost? Possibly using his body part(s)?
I'm not sure if it falls under definition of occultism, so I decided to check it even if occultism got a no.
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Was Deaaron trying to invoke Andy's ghost? no Possibly using his body part(s)? no, HINT:no portion of Andy's actual body is part of this puzzle </b>
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Is any part of Andy's virtual body part of this puzzle? Is Andy a fictional character?
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Is any part of Andy's virtual body part of this puzzle? electronic representation? no Is Andy a fictional character? no
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Is a material representation of Andy's body part relevant to this puzzle? A photo? A drawing? A painting? A sculpture? A model?
Is a non-material representation of Andy's body part relevant to this puzzle? A memory?
Did Deaaron try to contact with Andy's soul?
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Is a material representation of Andy's body part relevant to this puzzle? yes A photo? yes A drawing? no A painting? no A sculpture? no A model? no
Is a non-material representation of Andy's body part relevant to this puzzle? no A memory?
Did Deaaron try to contact with Andy's soul? no
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Was the photo made when Andy was still alive? Is it a normal-sized photo? Was it displayed somewhere?
Was Deaaron drunk when he tried to talk to Andy?
Did Deaaron mistake the photo for the living Andy?
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Was the photo made when Andy was still alive? yes Is it a normal-sized photo? noish Was it displayed somewhere? no
Was Deaaron drunk when he tried to talk to Andy?yes, HINT: there is a FA here that is my fault. Andy talked at Andy, but not to him
Did Deaaron mistake the photo for the living Andy? no
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Was it a poster of Andy? Was the photo on an item: a mug? a T-shirt? A calendar?
Was the photo of Andy bigger than a normal-sized photo? Smaller?
Was Deaaron aware that Andy was dead?
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Was it a poster of Andy? no Was the photo on an item: yes a mug? a T-shirt? A calendar? none of these
Was the photo of Andy bigger than a normal-sized photo? no Smaller? this
Was Deaaron aware that Andy was dead? not relevant, but probably
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Was the photo on a pen? In the wallet?
On a banknote?
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Did the police arrive on the scene because
- they were already intending to meet Deaaron?
- they just happened to be passing?
- someone tipped them off?
- some sort of alarm tipped them off?
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Was the photo on a pen? no In the wallet? yesish
On a banknote? yes

Did the police arrive on the scene because
- they were already intending to meet Deaaron? no
- they just happened to be passing? no
- someone tipped them off? no
- some sort of alarm tipped them off? no
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Was the banknote Deaaron's? Did Deaaron try to "invoke" the banknote from someone's wallet? Is Deaaron a pickpocket?
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Did the police arrest Deaaron? By a security guard or similar? By a citizen?
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Was the banknote Deaaron's? yes Did Deaaron try to "invoke" the banknote from someone's wallet? no Is Deaaron a pickpocket? no

Did the police arrest Deaaron? yes By a security guard or similar? By a citizen? no to these
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Was the banknote counterfeit? Was the banknote a valid currency in the place where Deaaron was?
Did Deaaron try to speak to the banknote in public? Did Deaaron try to pay for goods/services with this banknote?
Did Deaaron want to make a point? Protest against something?
Was someone a victim of Deaaron's behavior?
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Was the banknote counterfeit? no Was the banknote a valid currency in the place where Deaaron was? yes
Did Deaaron try to speak to the banknote in public? yesish...he spoke at it Did Deaaron try to pay for goods/services with this banknote? no
Did Deaaron want to make a point? no Protest against something? no
Was someone a victim of Deaaron's behavior? no, thankfully not
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Relevant exactly WHAT he said to/at Andy? Or would he have been arrested no matter what he said? Relevant where he was at while saying it?
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Relevant exactly WHAT he said to/at Andy? not specifically, no Or would he have been arrested no matter what he said? yes, very relevant Relevant where he was at while saying it? yesish
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Would he have been arrested if he had done this an hour earlier? Or the day before?

Would anyone have been arrested if they had tried talking to Andy? Or just Deaaron?

Would he have been arrested if he had tried talking to any other banknote? Or just specifically this one?
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Would he have been arrested if he had done this an hour earlier? Or the day before? yes to both

Would anyone have been arrested if they had tried talking to Andy? possibly Or just Deaaron? anyone could have done what Deaaron did

Would he have been arrested if he had tried talking to any other banknote? yes Or just specifically this one? no
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Is the manner in which he spoke important? The language? The voice?

Was he outside while doing it? Inside? In a public place? Were there many people present?
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Is the manner in which he spoke important? can you rephrase? The language? The voice? not these
Was he outside while doing it? yes Inside? no In a public place? yes Were there many people present? no
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Was speaking prohibited in the place/time when Deaaron spoke at Andy? Was Andy a royalty? Was Deaaron speaking rude?
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Was his tone of voice important? Whether he whispered? or shouted? or spoke in a regular voice? Rapidly or gently? Angry or kind? Would any of these variations have made any difference?
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Were the police at the scene before Deaaron arrived there?
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Was speaking prohibited in the place/time when Deaaron spoke at Andy? no Was Andy a royalty? no Was Deaaron speaking rude? no

Was his tone of voice important? no
Whether he whispered? no
or shouted? no
or spoke in a regular voice? no
Rapidly or gently? no
Angry or kind? no
Would any of these variations have made any difference? no

Were the police at the scene before Deaaron arrived there? no
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At the moment when he tried to speak at the banknote, was Deaaron in school? in hospital? in court? on the street? in a shop? in a means of public transportation?
Was someone threatened by his speaking? Did people think that he was speaking at something else? Did he try to convince someone he spoke at something else?
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At the moment when he tried to speak at the banknote, was Deaaron in school? no in hospital? no in court? no on the street? yes in a shop? no in a means of public transportation? no
Was someone threatened by his speaking? no Did people think that he was speaking at something else? no Did he try to convince someone he spoke at something else? no
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So, drunk Deaaaron walks on the street, pulls out a banknote from his own wallet, starts to speak at the guy pictured on the banknote and gets arrested, correct?
Was the banknote a whole? If Deaaron was not drunk, would he stil get arrested? If Deaaron was drunk but not trying to talk at the banknote, doing other stupid thing instead, would he stil get arrested?
Was the banknote altered?
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So, drunk Deaaaron yes walks on the street, no pulls out a banknote from his own wallet, yes starts to speak at the guy pictured on the banknote and gets arrested, correct? yes
Was the banknote a whole? yes
If Deaaron was not drunk, would he stil get arrested? no
If Deaaron was drunk but not trying to talk at the banknote, doing other stupid thing instead, would he stil get arrested? yes
Was the banknote altered? no
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Did Deaaron drive a car? Other means of transportation? Was he arrested for drunk driving? and it was an attempt to talk to a banknote what made police suspect about him?
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Did Deaaron drive a car? yes Other means of transportation? no Was he arrested for drunk driving? yes and it was an attempt to talk to a banknote what made police suspect about him? no
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Did Deaaron try to bribe the police officer who arrested him?
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Did Deaaron try to bribe the police officer who arrested him? no
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Did Deaaron try to talk to Andy before he was stopped for the drunk driving? After?
Were there other people in the car with Deaaron?
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Did Deaaron try to talk to Andy before he was stopped for the drunk driving? After? this
Were there other people in the car with Deaaron? no
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Did Deaaron try to talk at the banknote to convince the police officer he was not sound in mind?
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Did Deaaron try to talk to Andy before he was stopped for the drunk driving? After? yes
Were there other people in the car with Deaaron? no
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Could you please answer my last question?

Did Deaaron try to speak at the banknote to avoid being punished for drunk driving? For other reason?
Is it relevant why the police stop Deaaron? Was it obvious from the way he drove his car that he was drunk?
Did trying to speak at the banknote add some charges to accusation against Deaaron?
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Did talking to the banknote somehow reveal information about Deaaron's blood or breath alcohol content ?
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Did Deaaron try to talk at the banknote to convince the police officer he was not sound in mind? no

Did Deaaron try to speak at the banknote to avoid being punished for drunk driving? no For other reason? yes
Is it relevant why the police stop Deaaron? yes Was it obvious from the way he drove his car that he was drunk? yes
Did trying to speak at the banknote add some charges to accusation against Deaaron? no

Did talking to the banknote somehow reveal information about Deaaron's blood or breath alcohol content ? no, but you're on the right track
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Was Deaaron instructed by police to speak to the banknote? Was he instructed by police to speak, or speak to something else, but spoke to the banknote due to being drunk? Was it some sort of test to determine his level of sobriety, or to establish reasonable grounds to arrest him on suspicion of driving ander the unfluence of ilcohol?
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Was Deaaron instructed by police to speak to the banknote? no, but... Was he instructed by police to speak, or speak to something else, but spoke to the banknote due to being drunk? YES!! Was it some sort of test to determine his level of sobriety, or to establish reasonable grounds to arrest him on suspicion of driving ander the unfluence of ilcohol? yope
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Are language barriers relevant? Did he Ask him to "speak to ten" or "speak to a hundred", meaning count to ten or a hundred, and he got out a bank note worth a hundred and spoke to it?
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Are language barriers relevant? no Did he Ask him to "speak to ten" or "speak to a hundred", meaning count to ten or a hundred, and he got out a bank note worth a hundred and spoke to it? no
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Did the police try to test Deaaron for alcohol presence? Did they use a special detector for that?
Did the police ask Deaaron to show them his driving license? And he pulled out a banknote instead?
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Did the police try to test Deaaron for alcohol presence? no Did they use a special detector for that? no
Did the police ask Deaaron to show them his driving license? yes And he pulled out a banknote instead? no, but explore
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Did Deaaron show the police his driving license as requested? Did the police ask Deaaron to do something else before they arrested him? Did they instruct him to speak to them? Did they ask him a relevant question?
Was the person pictured on the banknote a policeman?
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Did Deaaron show the police his driving license as requested? yes Did the police ask Deaaron to do something else before they arrested him? yes Did they instruct him to speak to them? no Did they ask him a relevant question? no
Was the person pictured on the banknote a policeman? no
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Did they instruct him to speak at all? Did he misheard something for "speak"?
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Did they instruct him to speak at all? yes Did he misheard something for "speak"? no
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Did he in any way mishear what they asked him to do?
Or misunderstand it?
Or did he deliberately talk to the banknote instead?
I take it they didn't actually ask him to speak to the note?
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Did he in any way mishear what they asked him to do? no
Or misunderstand it? no
Or did he deliberately talk to the banknote instead? no
I take it they didn't actually ask him to speak to the note? correct
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Did Deaaron want to call his lawyer via mobile phone? Call someone else via mobile phone? Did he mistook a banknote for a mobile phone? Other communication device? Did Deaaron seriously think he is able to communicate with someone through the banknote?
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Did Deaaron want to call his lawyer no via mobile phone? yes Call someone else via mobile phone? yes Did he mistook a banknote for a mobile phone? yes Other communication device? no Did Deaaron seriously think he is able to communicate with someone through the banknote? yope, see above
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Is it relevant who he wanted to call? Did he want to call his family? Did he want to call the person who would help him to avoid consequences? A politician? Press? Head of the police?
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Is it relevant who he wanted to call? not specifically, no Did he want to call his family? possibly Did he want to call the person who would help him to avoid consequences? no A politician? Press? Head of the police? none of these
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Did the police ask Deaaron to call someone? If yes, did they specify who it should be? Did the police ask Deaaron to call someone who could take the car?
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Did the police ask Deaaron to call someone? yes If yes, did they specify who it should be? no Did the police ask Deaaron to call someone who could take the car? yes! very good
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So why did they arrest Deaaron immediately?
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Did the police ask Deaaron to call Andy? And Andy's phone was in Deaaron's car?
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Did the police ask Deaaron to call Andy? no And Andy's phone was in Deaaron's car? no
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Did they see something illegal in his wallet when he took the banknote out of it? Did they just learn that he was totally unable to call anybody? Did he react offensively to their instruction to call someone for the car? Did they suspect him to flee?
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Did they see something illegal in his wallet when he took the banknote out of it? no, FA Did they just learn that he was totally unable to call anybody? no Did he react offensively to their instruction to call someone for the car? no Did they suspect him to flee? no
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Let me check if I get the situation right:
Police stopped Deaaron because he was obviously drunk driving. They asked him for his driving licence and he handed it to them. They asked him also to call someone to take the car home. Then Deaaron took the banknote instead of the mobile phone and tried to communicate through it. Then he was immediately arrested. The banknote was perfectly legal and what exactly Deaaron speaks is ireelevant. All correct?
Was Deaaron doing anything else illegal than drunk driving? Did he have mobile phone at all? Was he obliged to have mobile phone? Was there anyone whom Deaaron could call to take the car? Could Deaaron pronunciate properly (besides being drunk)?
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Let me check if I get the situation right: ok
Police stopped Deaaron because he was obviously drunk driving. yes They asked him for his driving licence and he handed it to them. yes but not really relevant They asked him also to call someone to take the car home. yes Then Deaaron took the banknote instead of the mobile phone and tried to communicate through it. yes Then he was immediately arrested. The banknote was perfectly legal and what exactly Deaaron speaks is ireelevant. All correct? yes
Was Deaaron doing anything else illegal than drunk driving? no Did he have mobile phone at all? yes Was he obliged to have mobile phone? no Was there anyone whom Deaaron could call to take the car? yes Could Deaaron pronunciate properly (besides being drunk)? yes

HINT: What are some things that are part of the protocol for arresting someone for DUI?
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Well, first of all, the officer has to have probable cause to believe the person being stopped is actually under the influence. After that, field sobriety tests are performed (which, according to the law, are completely voluntary - though if you disagree to take them, the police may be more likely to press the case)

From this website: http://www.dui-usa.drinkdriving.org/dui_dwi_information.php

"Field sobriety tests are subjective in nature and are used as a means to detect possible impairment and establish a probable cause for arrest.

Field sobriety tests may include the following:

Nystagmus

Defined as "an involuntary rapid movement of the eyeball, which may be horizontal, vertical, rotatory, or mixed." Alcohol slows down the eyes' ability to rapidly track objects and causes to eyes to oscillate, or "jerk", before they normally would in a sober person. Alcohol stimulates the nerve endings, making nystagmus more pronounced in intoxicated persons. As a person's blood alcohol concentration increases, the eyes will "jerk" sooner as they move to the side. The Nystagmus test claims to gauge intoxication by measuring the involuntary oscillation of the eyes.

During a nystagmus test, the police officer will position an object (usually a pen) approximately 12 inches away from a suspected drunk drivers face. He will then move the object from side to side, all the while watching the suspects eyes for an involuntary jerking movement as described above.

Walk and turn

The police officer will first demonstrate the test while giving verbal instructions on how to perform the test to the suspect. The police officer will then ask the suspect if he understands the test and what is required before the test is initiated.

The police officer will then tell the suspect to take 9 heel-to-toe steps down a straight line. The suspected dunk driver will be instructed on how to correctly turn, after the initial 9 steps have been taken. A proper turn is taken with a series of small steps, which again the police officer demonstrates. The suspect is then instructed to take another series of 9 heel-to-toe steps back to the starting position. The police officer will instruct the suspected drunk driver to keep their arms by their side, watch their feet at all times, and count each step out loud. The suspect is directed not to stop until the test is completed.

Standing on one leg

The police officer will instruct the suspected drunk driver to stand with their heels together before raising one leg at least six inches off the ground while their arms remain by their side. The suspect will also be instructed to count out loud and switch legs. The police officer will be looking for obvious signs of difficulty in performing this test from the suspect such as raising their arms, losing their balance, hopping, swaying and other signs of impairment.

Finger to nose

The suspected drunk driver will be instructed to place their feet together before tilting their head back slightly with their eyes closed. They will then be instructed to touch their nose. All the time the police officer will be looking for obvious difficulty from the driver in carrying out the test such as losing their balance, the inability to touch their nose, swaying, eyelid tremors, body tremors and other signs of impairment.

The rhomberg balance test

During this test, the suspected drunk driver will be instructed to stand straight, close their eyes and tilt their head backwards for 30 seconds, the police officer will leave it to the suspect to estimate the timeframe of 30 seconds. The officer will be looking for obvious signs of difficulty from the suspect in carrying out this test such as loss of balance, inability to stand still, body and eyelid tremors, swaying, muscle tension and other signs of impairment.

PAS - Preliminary alcohol screening test

During this test the suspected drunk driver will be instructed to blow into a handheld breathalyzer that will detect and accurately estimate their BAC (blood alcohol content/concentration). This test is usually conducted at the roadside.

Other Field Sobriety Tests include finger tapping, hand clapping, counting backwards, or reciting the alphabet.

If the police officer gathers enough evidence to give him probable cause to arrest a suspect for suspicion of DUI then the suspect will be read his miranda rights and taken to the police station and will be required to perform a chemical test by giving a sample of blood, breath or urine. The DMV typically advises people that a condition of obtaining a drivers license is to give prior consent to submit to chemical testing when required to do so, this is known as "implied consent". Most states have some version of "implied consent" laws.

Chemical Testing

It is a criminal offense to refuse to provide a sample of blood, breath or urine when required to do so in most states and penalties for refusing are just as severe, if not more so, than being found to be over the legal prescribed limit.

A persons drivers license will be suspended immediately upon refusal to submit to a chemical test and the length of time it will be suspended for will vary from state to state. The refusal can also be used as possible evidence in a court of law to show "consciousness of guilt"."
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ok, given that. what sobriety test was given to Deaaron, if any?
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offhand none of them seem to match up, but I am a post-seizurish kaylee right now and so almost nothing makes sense. *yawn* twix now, then bed again, I think. And maybe a cheezburger later.
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Ok, so HINT: Did the arresting officer skip the sobriety test? No
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So he gave Deaaron a sobriety test, correct? Was it walking a straight line? Breathalyzer? Touching fingers to nose?
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So he gave Deaaron a sobriety test, correct? think about this....no Was it walking a straight line? Breathalyzer? Touching fingers to nose?no to all
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Did Deaaron provide the officer with the result of the sobriety test without him having to ask for it?
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Did Deaaron provide the officer with the result of the sobriety test without him having to ask for it? yes....how?
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Did he provide it through the act of talking to Andy? Is the relevant test listed in Kaylee's list above?
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Did he provide it through the act of talking to Andy? yes Is the relevant test listed in Kaylee's list above? no

$poylur to follow
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******* SPOILER *******
Deaaron Hearn, 22, was arrested in Iowa City, Iowa, in October after the traffic officer told him to summon a friend to drive his car home, and Hearn responded by reaching into his pocket, clumsily placing a $20 bill to his ear, and attempting a phone call. The arresting officer used Hearn's drunken call attempt as an ipso facto sobriety test.

Thank you all. Some outstanding questions really moved this one along!!

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