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Posted on Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 3:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His younger brother died, but he lived.
What were the circumstances?
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Were they quite close in age?

Did the brother die accidentally? Was he murdered? Was the older brother's life in danger (from the same source or otherwise)?
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Did his younger brother die by shooting? were they princes? is he (the elder brother) now a king?
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Did his younger brother die by shooting? were they princes? is he (the elder brother) now a king?
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He: H? A? M? His younger brother: H? A? M? Younger by: Seconds? Minutes? Hours? Years? Decades? Would he have lived, had his brother not died?
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Were organs taken from the younger brother for the elder brother? Were the brothers siamese twins?
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Were they quite close in age? Yes, 2-3 years
Did the brother die accidentally? His death was not planned, but I wouldn't say accidentally.
Was he murdered? No
Did his younger brother die by shooting? were they princes? Is he (the elder brother) now a king? No to all.
He: H? A? M? Yes to all. His younger brother: H/C/M Younger by: Years. This. See above. Would he have lived, had his brother not died? Calls for speculation, but quite probably not.

Were organs taken from the younger brother for the elder brother? No. Were the brothers Siamese twins? No
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ok, so not Juan Carlos & Alfonso then. Just checking.
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Did younger brother choose to die?
Was any of the brothers ill? Were they victims of a road accident?
Did someone have to choose which brother to kill/leave and which to save?
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ok, so not Juan Carlos & Alfonso then. Just checking. I thought that was what you meant. No, not them. Free clue: royalty n.r.
Did the younger brother choose to die? NO
Was any of the brothers ill? Yope - not to begin with, anyhow. Were they victims of a road accident? No.
Did someone have to choose which brother to kill/leave and which to save?"Kill" is probably not exactly the right word. A choice was made that resulted in the younger brother dying, but that was an unintended consequence. It was intended that all would live.
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Would the puzzle work if they were strangers? Did someone have to choose which one of them to rescue first? If the other choice had been made, would older brother have died and younger lived? Would they both have died? Would they both have lived?
Were both brothers in danger of death?
Are natural disasters relevant to this puzzle?
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Would the puzzle work if they were strangers? NO Did someone have to choose which one of them to rescue first? Someone 'chose' to place the younger brother in danger, tho not deliberately, but rescue n.r. Think there is a FA here. If the other choice had been made, would older brother have died and younger lived? Would they both have died? This is most likely. Would they both have lived?
Were both brothers in danger of death? Yes
Are natural disasters relevant to this puzzle? No
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Would the puzzle work if they were not related but living together? Are there more people relevant to this puzzle?
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Would the puzzle work if they were not related but living together? Yes, if one was an unrelated child living with the family.
Are there more people relevant to this puzzle? Besides the family? Yes!
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Did the family consist of two brothers and parents? More children? Also grandparents? Any relevant pets?
Is it relevant where they lived?
In a house in urban area? In the house in rural area? In a flat in block of flats? Did they stay somewhere else than at home when it happened?
Was the whole family in danger of death? Was their house in fire?
Was the decision that resulted in younger brother dying made by family member? Emergency services?
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Did the family consist of two brothers and parents? At the time of the puzzle incident, 4 brothers and their mother. No grandparents or pets.
Is it relevant where they lived? Yes!
In a house in urban area? In the house in rural area? In a flat in block of flats? Urban area; house or flat n.r.
Did they stay somewhere else than at home when it happened? No.
Was the whole family in danger of death? Yessish, though possibly not imminent. Was their house on fire? No.
Was the decision that resulted in younger brother dying made by a family member? Yes, the mother.
Emergency services? No
Hint: Explore time-frame, and the ages of the brothers.
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Did it happen in: BC? AD? 1st? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? 5th? 6th? 7th? 8th? 9th? 10th? 11th? 12th? 13th? 14th? 15th? 16th? 17th? 18th? 19th? 20th? 21st? centuries?
In Europe? Asia? N America? S America? Africa? Australia? Oceania? Antarctica? They could be penguins!
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Did it happen in:AD 20th c.
In Europe? this
They could be penguins! 8-)
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1900s? 10s? 20s? 30s? 40s? 50s? 60s? 70s? 80s? 90s?
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10s this; relevant
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Is transport of any kind relevant? War/Conscription? Disease?
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{LTPF List of European Countries}, plz?

Edwardian Era relevant?

WWI?
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Is transport of any kind relevant? No War? Yes/Conscription? Remotely, not directly. Disease? Yes

{LTPF List of European Countries} plz? {Austria, in fact Vienna}
Edwardian Era relevant? No
WWI? Yes
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Is the family or their house under attack somehow? Do they have to relocate for some reason? Does the government make some sort of decision affecting their house? Are they being persecuted in some way?
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I had a hunch and used Wikipedia, and I think my hunch may be correct, Soli-kitteh...*tries to be careful here*

Since royals aren't relevant, are politicians relevant? Military leaders?
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Was the decision that brothers switch bedrooms? And the bedroom of older brother, where temporarily slept the younger, was destroyed?
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Is the family or their house under attack somehow? Do they have to relocate for some reason? Does the government make some sort of decision affecting their house? Are they being persecuted in some way? All no or n.r.
Since royals aren't relevant, are politicians relevant? Yessish, though not directly. Military leaders? Since it was wartime, they are bound to be - but, as above, not directly.
Was the decision that brothers switch bedrooms? And the bedroom of older brother, where temporarily slept the younger, was destroyed? No, OTWT
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*again, is careful* Did the younger brother die of illness?
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Did the younger brother die of illness?Yes, but he was not ill to begin with. Something caused him to become ill, something that made it possible for other family members to survive.
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Was the illness a common illness at the time? Chicken pox? German measles? (German...hm *looks at soli-cat pensively*) Spanish influenza?
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Did the brother become ill from poor nourishment? I've heard they had a massive food supply problem
in WWI Vienna
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Was the illness a common illness at the time?Not uncommon Chicken pox? German measles? Spanish influenza?..but not endemic or necessarily epidemic. None of these.
Did the brother become ill from poor nourishment? n.r. Yes, there was a 'massive food supply problem in WWI Vienna' which is related to the puzzle, but no one in the family died of malnutrition.
Hint: might be useful to determine the ages of the brothers.
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Was the illness a common illness at the time?Not uncommon Chicken pox? German measles? Spanish influenza?..but not endemic or necessarily epidemic. None of these.
Did the brother become ill from poor nourishment? n.r. Yes, there was a 'massive food supply problem in WWI Vienna' which is related to the puzzle, but no one in the family died of malnutrition.
Hint: might be useful to determine the ages of the brothers.
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Does 10 (going soon on 11) and 5 (very nearly 6) sound about right for the ages?
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And would measles (without the 'German' attached) possibly be the illness?
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Does 10 (going soon on 11) and 5 (very nearly 6) sound about right for the ages? No. More like 3 and infant (1 or under)
Who were you thinking of?

And would measles (without the 'German' attached) possibly be the illness?No
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Adolf and Edmund Hitler was my guess. It seemed to fit the facts.
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Was it tuberculosis?
Food rationing relevant?
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Was it tuberculosis? No
Food rationing relevantYes!
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Is quantity of food rationed for the family relevant? Or rather its quality?
Did the two relevant brothers eat the same type of food? Was there enough food for both of them? Was either of them allergic to something relevant?
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Is quantity of food rationed for the family relevant? Yes Or rather its quality? n.r.
Did the two relevant brothers eat the same type of food? Yessish, taking into consideration that one of them was an infant. Was there enough food for both of them? Yessish, barely, and this was because.... Was either of them allergic to something relevant? No allergies.
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Did the mother feed the infant with maternal milk? Did she give all the food to the children, not sparing anything for herself? And therefore had no milk for the infant?
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Did the mother feed the infant with maternal milk? IDK, but not relevant.Did she give all the food to the children, not sparing anything for herself? IDK, but she survived, so she didn't starve. And therefore had no milk for the infant?n.r.
To clear up a FA, there was a food shortage, and the family no doubt were hungry at times, but malnutrition was not the cause of the infant's death.
Suggestion: explore the theme of 'disease.' And no, there is no LTPF list of diseases!
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Are vaccinations relevant? Did the infant die due to a disease? If yes, would that disease have been easily curable, had there not been wartime?
Did any other family member also have that disease?
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Are vaccinations relevant? No Did the infant die due to a disease? Yes - actually, two diseases, one following on the heels of another. If yes, would that disease have been easily curable, had there not been wartime? Calls for speculation, but he might have had a better chance of being treated, and therefore of surviving, had it not been wartime.
Did any other family member also have that disease? Assume not.
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Was either of diseases caused by inappropriate nutrition? Did the family have access to clean drinking water?
Was mother's decision connected with any of diseases? Could older brother be somehow helpful in treatment of the infant?
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Was either of diseases caused by inappropriate nutrition? No Did the family have access to clean drinking water? n.r. Assume they did, as the disease was not primarily water-borne.
Was mother's decision connected with any of diseases? Yes - "unintended consequences" are relevant. Could older brother be somehow helpful in treatment of the infant. No.
Hint: one of the diseases is not usually considered serious.
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Was one of the diseases a flu? Was either of the diseases contagious?
Did mother's decision concern treatment of either of diseases? If yes, the not-considered-serious one? And if that's the case, was the unintended consequence of this decision that the infant caught the more serious, lethal disease?
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Was one of the diseases a flu? No Was either of the diseases contagious? Yes Did mother's decision concern treatment of either of diseases? No..was the unintended consequence of this decision that the infant caught the more serious, lethal, disease. The mother's decision resulted in the child's getting the (usually) less dangerous disease, which evolved, you might say, into the more serious one.
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Did the mother take the infant to some place where they were giving food rations? Could she get more food if she came there with an infant? Did the infant get a cold? Which evolved into pneumonia?
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Did the mother take the infant to some place where they were giving food rations? Could she get more food if she came there with an infant? Did the infant get a cold? Which evolved into pneumonia? Redwine has it!

***********SPOILER***********
In 1916, the father of the Feingold family was in the army. Food was rationed in Vienna during that hard winter, and the mother had to get up at 4 a.m. to stand in line for milk and bread. Women with babes in arms were sent to the head of the line, so she took the baby, Emil, with her. The baby caught a cold which developed into pneumonia, but the other children survived. One of them, Marko, is still alive - at the age of 100 - and remembers this clearly.

Marko is quite a character. He was the only one of the siblings - a daughter was born after WWI - to survive the camps. He was in four different concentration camps, and jokes that "I could write a Michelin guide to the camps.

What does he attribute his survival to? Quite simply, "Luck."

Good on you, Redwine, for sticking with this puzzle!

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