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Irishelk (Irishelk)
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The stores around here put out all their Christmas junk right before Halloween, and I'm no better.

Nick gives his friends an assortment of very exotic and expensive things for Christmas. They are gracious but largely indifferent. He gives his new girlfriend something quite plain and cheap, after offering it to the others as well. She is delighted.
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I don't even do my Christmas shopping until the week before Dec. 25...

Just to clarify, are the gifts for the friends of high monetary value? Is the gift for the girlfriend?
Relevant that she is a "new" girlfriend? Does he have a relevant ex?
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I don't even do my Christmas shopping until the week before Dec. 25...I just discovered this $6 t-shirt site...shopping done.

Just to clarify, are the gifts for the friends of high monetary value? Yes, not extravagant but considerable. Is the gift for the girlfriend? No.

Relevant that she is a "new" girlfriend? A little. Does he have a relevant ex? No.
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I'm more of a Solstice guy, and buy gifts rather under protest.
can we name the new girlfriend? I get lost with impersonal pronouns floating around -- can I suggest Eleanor?

Is she present when he offers the plain item to the others? Is it something that requires special skill/knowledge to enjoy/use, which she has but the others don't?
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If any of the others had accepted the plain gift, would he have given it to them? Or would an awkward situation have ensued?

Was the plain gift meant to be symbolic in some way? Or part of a bigger whole, like a house key or a winning lottery ticket?
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Is this correct:
"Nick gives his friends an assortment of very exotic things for Christmas. Nick's friends are gracious but largely indifferent. Nick gives his new girlfriend something quite plain and cheap, after offering it to Nick's friends as well. Nick's new girlfriend is delighted."

Does his new girlfriend have knowledge or possessions that the other friends don't, that make it more valuable to her than them?

Is the cheap item personalised for his girlfriend? Perhaps it has her name on it?

Is it a CD of 'their song'?
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Could the new girlfriend have been given one of those exotic and extravagant presents? In that case, would she have been as delighted as she was for the plain gift?
Did the new girlfriend expect any gift?
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Yojimbo (Yojimbo)

Eleanor would be lovely.
Is she present when he offers the plain item to the others? Yes. Is it something that requires special skill/knowledge to enjoy/use, which she has but the others don't? No to noish.

Jondahr (Jondahr)

If any of the others had accepted the plain gift, would he have given it to them? Yes. Or would an awkward situation have ensued? Nope.

Was the plain gift meant to be symbolic in some way? In a sense, but also literal. Or part of a bigger whole, like a house key or a winning lottery ticket? No, but good thought.

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Is this correct:
"Nick gives his friends an assortment of very exotic things for Christmas. Nick's friends are gracious but largely indifferent. Nick gives his new girlfriend something quite plain and cheap, after offering it to Nick's friends as well. Nick's new girlfriend is delighted." Yes.

Does his new girlfriend have knowledge or possessions that the other friends don't, that make it more valuable to her than them? No, slight ish.

Is the cheap item personalised for his girlfriend? In a sense, yes. Perhaps it has her name on it? No.

Is it a CD of 'their song'? No.
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Nick isn't St. Nick, is he?

Is she delighted because she believes this present indicates he loves her? That he's taking the next step in the relationship? Because she really wants the gift? If some guy off the street gave her this gift, would she be as delighted?

Is this his only present for his girlfriend?
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Nick isn't St. Nick, is he? Nah, I'm just not very creative with names.

Is she delighted because she believes this present indicates he loves her? Yesish. That he's taking the next step in the relationship? No. Because she really wants the gift? Not really. If some guy off the street gave her this gift, would she be as delighted? Probably not.

Is this his only present for his girlfriend? Irr.
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Please take a look at my q's from 3:27.
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Are Nick's friends male? Female? Mixed? Relevant?

Did Nick offer the cheap item seriously? In a joking manner? Same questions for the expensive stuff?
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Was it something that she would want him to get rid of/give up? Like giving away a pack of smokes to show intention of quitting?
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Redwine (Redwine)
Please take a look at my q's from 3:27. Sorry, I was postin' while you were askin'.

Could the new girlfriend have been given one of those exotic and extravagant presents? Yes. In that case, would she have been as delighted as she was for the plain gift? No.

Did the new girlfriend expect any gift? Irr.

Balin (Balin)

Are Nick's friends male? True story, so this... Female? Mixed? Relevant? But irr.

Did Nick offer the cheap item seriously? Yes. In a joking manner? No. Same questions for the expensive stuff? Same answers. =)

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Was it something that she would want him to get rid of/give up? Like giving away a pack of smokes to show intention of quitting? No, that's good though.
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Does the green in the title refer only to the idea of money? Or is it more relevant?

Is there a reason his friends are indifferent about the expensive gifts? Are they wealthy? Is Nick wealthy? Is his girlfriend wealthy? Would I, a broke kid out of college, be equally indifferent about the expensive gifts?

Are all gifts (the expensive ones, the cheap one) understood to be gifts from Nick personally? Or is he "giving" them in another sense(i.e. mailman, salesman)?

True story: Are you Nick? Is Nick a historical figure? Is he famous?
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Is there something written on the cheap gift? Does the girlfriend appreciate it because it's creative? Self-made by Nick?
Does the girlfriend know anything special about Nick that makes her feel delighted of a cheap gift?
Is it relevant how Nick acquired the cheap gift? Did it belong to his former girlfriend? Was it intended to be given to his former girlfriend?
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Is there something written on the cheap gift? No. Does the girlfriend appreciate it because it's creative? Noish. Self-made by Nick? No, though it is. Ish.
Does the girlfriend know anything special about Nick that makes her feel delighted of a cheap gift? No.
Is it relevant how Nick acquired the cheap gift? Yes. Did it belong to his former girlfriend? No. Was it intended to be given to his former girlfriend? No.
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Is the cheap gift made of...
Paper?
Cardboard?
Plastic?
Rubber?
Wool?
Cotton?
Other fabric?
Metal?
Wood?
Leather?
Other natural material?
Other synthetic material?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Please answer Alexanderhamilton's questions of Nov 5, 2:46

Is the gift unique? Is it the sort of things girlfriend likes most? Does Nick show some knowledge about her likes, giving her the gift?
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Does the green in the title refer only to the idea of money? No. Or is it more relevant? It pertains to the solution, but probably wont help much.

Is there a reason his friends are indifferent about the expensive gifts? Yes. Are they wealthy? No. Is Nick wealthy? No. Is his girlfriend wealthy? Irr, but no. Would I, a broke kid out of college, be equally indifferent about the expensive gifts? Probably not, unless you were in their position.

Are all gifts (the expensive ones, the cheap one) understood to be gifts from Nick personally? Yes. Or is he "giving" them in another sense(i.e. mailman, salesman)? No, but good idea.

True story: Are you Nick? No, I'm the girlfriend. Is Nick a historical figure? Is he famous? Not yet. ;)

Jondahr (Jondahr)

Is the cheap gift made of...
Paper?
Cardboard?
Plastic?
Rubber?
Wool?
Cotton?
Other fabric?
Metal?
Wood?
Leather?
Other natural material? This. Same for expensive ones.
Other synthetic material?

Redwine (Redwine)

Please answer Alexanderhamilton's questions of Nov 5, 2:46 Done, sorry bout that.

Is the gift unique? I'd say so. Is it the sort of things girlfriend likes most? Not really, though she does like it. Does Nick show some knowledge about her likes, giving her the gift? YES. Maybe svv of "likes."
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Is the natural material organic? Is it an animal product? A plant product? Is it inorganic? Is it some type of mineral? A precious metal?

Are all the gifts made of the same material? Material aside, are they the same kind of gift, broadly speaking? But of differing price?
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Were the expensive gifts intended to convey a message, other than ordinary Christmas gifts? Did Nick obtain the expensive gifts for free? If yes, did his friends know it? Were the expensive gifts useless? Tasteless? Could Nick's friends easily acquire this type of items by themselves, at a low price?
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Is the natural material organic? Yes. Is it an animal product? Yope. A plant product? Yope. Is it inorganic? Is it some type of mineral? A precious metal? No to rest.

Are all the gifts made of the same material? No. Material aside, are they the same kind of gift, broadly speaking? Yes. But of differing price? Yes.

Redwine (Redwine)

Were the expensive gifts intended to convey a message, other than ordinary Christmas gifts? No. Did Nick obtain the expensive gifts for free? Yes. If yes, did his friends know it? Yes! Were the expensive gifts useless? No. Tasteless? No. Could Nick's friends easily acquire this type of items by themselves, at a low price? Noish.

Good q's guys.
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Is anything else relevant about expensive gifts, besides the fact that Nick obtains them for free and his friends know it?
Did Nick carry some expenses to acquire the cheap gift? Did Nick's girfriend appreciate the cheap gift because she knew that it costed Nick more than assorted expensive stuff for friends?
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I should ask: is it necessary or helpful to find out precisely what the gifts were? Or is their relative price all that matters?

Are the 'yopes' for the animal product and plant product questions because some gifts are made of animal products, and some are made of plant products? Is it because the gifts are made of a combination of animal and plant products?

Were the expensive gifts made solely of animal products? Solely of plant products? Some combination of both? Same questions for the inexpensive gift.
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Is anything else relevant about expensive gifts, besides the fact that Nick obtains them for free and his friends know it? Yes.
Did Nick carry some expenses to acquire the cheap gift? Yes. Did Nick's girfriend appreciate the cheap gift because she knew that it costed Nick more than assorted expensive stuff for friends? In part, but there's a bigger reason.

Alexanderhamilton (Alexanderhamilton)

I should ask: You should. is it necessary or helpful to find out precisely what the gifts were? Yes. Or is their relative price all that matters? No.

Are the 'yopes' for the animal product and plant product questions because some gifts are made of animal products, and some are made of plant products? Yes. Is it because the gifts are made of a combination of animal and plant products? Noish.

Were the expensive gifts made solely of animal products? Yes, the expensive gifts. Solely of plant products? This for the inexpensive gifts. Some combination of both? No to noish. Same questions for the inexpensive gift.
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Did Nick win the expensive gifts? Did he inherit them? Steal them? Find them?

Did he buy the cheap gift? Could anyone else acquire that gift in the same way as Nick? Same question for the expensive gifts.

Are the expensive gifts and the inexpensive gift used for the same purpose? Is the inexpensive gift a cheap substitute for the expensive gifts? Is the material from which they are made the only difference between the gifts?

Did Nick give the cheap gift to his girlfriend because she is allergic to whatever is used to make the expensive gifts? Or maybe because she is vegetarian/vegan?

A guess: Nick wins/inherits/otherwise obtains for free a lot of expensive things of some kind made from animal products. He intends to give them to his friends and his girlfriend, but then he recalls that she is allergic to those animal products/vegetarian/vegan. So he buys for her some analogue of those things which is much cheaper but does not contain any animal products. The girlfriend is pleased because she sees that Nick knows her well and because he went out of his way just for her.
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Did Nick get the expensive gifts as a gift? Did he work for the company that produces/imports the expensive gifts? Were they leather products?
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I'm not even going to bother with ansring all the questions, because...

Did Nick give the cheap gift to his girlfriend because she is allergic to whatever is used to make the expensive gifts? Or maybe because she is vegetarian/vegan?

A guess: Nick wins/inherits/otherwise obtains for free a lot of expensive things of some kind made from animal products. He intends to give them to his friends and his girlfriend, but then he recalls that she is allergic to those animal products/vegetarian/vegan. So he buys for her some analogue of those things which is much cheaper but does not contain any animal products. The girlfriend is pleased because she sees that Nick knows her well and because he went out of his way just for her. Got it in one!
Welcome to the forum, Juiferrant, and well done.


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Did Nick get the expensive gifts as a gift? No... Did he work for the company that produces/imports the expensive gifts? Exactly.

**************SPOILER

Nick is a good cook, and decides to make an elaborate steak dinner for his friends as a Christmas gift. He happens to be a butcher, so he can get what would normally be exotic and pricey cuts of meat for free or at a discount.
His friends are grateful, but since he can get such delicacies for them any time, they aren't especially excited.
His new girlfriend, however, is a vegan, so Nick buys and prepares numerous veggie side dishes to go along with the steaks (which he offers to the friends too, of course). She is delighted that he not only remembers her dietary preferences, but goes out of his way to prepare them.

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