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Plebeian (Plebeian)
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Posted on Friday, November 01, 2013 - 4:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He went down, as expected. But he didn't get up.
True story, he=he=H/A/M
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Posted on Friday, November 01, 2013 - 4:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"He went down..." Is that, ahem, a sexual reference? No Does it refer to the man falling down? Yes Does it refer to his going somewhere, a la "going downtown, going down south". No, falling down

"he didn't get up." Again, sexual at all? No Is he unable to physically rise? Yes Is he dead? Yope Asleep? No Unconscious? At the time yes. Now, no

Is this man a famous person? I assume he is famous, though I didn't know him until this story came ot light Is he alive? Yes Did it happen in modern times? Yes, very - though this could have been at any time
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Posted on Friday, November 01, 2013 - 5:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yopishly dead at the time, but alive today, huh? Was he brain-dead? Was he momentarily "dead," no pulse or breathing, etc.? Was he dead within the context of a game or a work of fiction? Was he in a coma? Was he only mostly dead, requiring assistance from Miracle Max?

Would it help to know his profession? His ethnicity or nationality?

He was "expected" to go down: Were there other people present doing the "expecting?" Was it planned in advance that he'd fall? Was he expected to fall of his own volition? Did they intend to make him fall? Did they also expect that he would get up afterward?
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Was he an entertainer of some kind? Singer? Actor? Stunt man? Illusionist? Dancer? Acrobat?
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Was he an actor? Was he supposed to die in his role? Did he unexpectedly fall unconscious (in reality) ?
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Yopishly dead at the time, but alive today, huh? He was injured, could have died, but recovered - however there's more to it... Was he brain-dead? Was he momentarily "dead," no pulse or breathing, etc.? None of these AFAIK Was he dead within the context of a game or a work of fiction? Yes, but more than this... Was he in a coma? Was he only mostly dead, requiring assistance from Miracle Max? b{I don't know who Miracle Max is, but he was certainly in a sense dead, and in a sense injured}

Would it help to know his profession? His ethnicity or nationality? Profession - see below

He was "expected" to go down: Yes Were there other people present doing the "expecting?" Yes Was it planned in advance that he'd fall? Yes Was he expected to fall of his own volition? Yes Did they intend to make him fall? Others intended that he fell, not necessarily those present at the time Did they also expect that he would get up afterward? Yes

Was he an entertainer of some kind? Singer? Actor? THIS Stunt man? Illusionist? Dancer? Acrobat?

Was he an actor? Was he supposed to die in his role? He was Did he unexpectedly fall unconscious (in reality) ? He did

Proving hard to answer without giving it all away. Blocks may come tumbling down soon
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Is it relevant how he got injured? Was he bleeding from the injure? Did someone injure him on purpose? Did he use some sort of stage equipment that was damaged?
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Is it relevant how he got injured? Very Was he bleeding from the injure? Yes Did someone injure him on purpose? Yope to unknown Did he use some sort of stage equipment that was damaged? Used yes, damaged no
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Was he a movie actor? Theatre actor?
Was he injured by another person? Did he injure himself in an accident? Was he lifted above the stage and fell? Was he injured with/with use of the stage equimpent?
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Was he a movie actor? Theatre actor? This one
Was he injured by another person? No (with a potential-ish) Did he injure himself in an accident? Yes Was he lifted above the stage and fell? No Was he injured with/with use of the stage equimpent? He was
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Did he play in a relevant costume? Was the stage equipment he used a part of decoration? A requisite? Or rather something not visible to the audience?
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Did he play in a relevant costume? Not relevant Was the stage equipment he used a part of decoration? Not decoration A requisite? Requisite is not the word i'd use, but something used in the play, yes Or rather something not visible to the audience? definitely not
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To clarify that last point - the "thing" was certainly visible to the audience. Intentionally so
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Was he injured prior to the fall? As a result of the fall?
Was he injured with scene lights? curtain?
Was he injured on his head? His limbs? His torso?
Did he fall in the expected manner? If he fell as expected, not getting injured, would it also be with use of the same "thing"?
Was "thing" operated by a person? If yes, another actor?
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Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 1:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he injured by a prop that was "practical" [actually functioned as intended -- theater term] rather than a safe prop? Like a gun loaded with actual shells rather than blanks? Or a knife that doesn't retract upon contact?
I've been shot and stabbed, electrocuted, hanged, strangled, poisoned and copulated-to-death onstage, and was pretty much nervous each time, although the copulation was rather nice -- very capable and believable scene partner for that one.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 10:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he injured prior to the fall? This As a result of the fall?
Was he injured with scene lights? curtain? None of these
Was he injured on his head? Yope His limbs? His torso? {No to others}
Did he fall in the expected manner? YES If he fell as expected, not getting injured, would it also be with use of the same "thing"? Not sure what this means, please rephrase
Was "thing" operated by a person? Yes If yes, another actor? NO

Was he injured by a prop that was "practical" [actually functioned as intended -- theater term] rather than a safe prop? YES Like a gun loaded with actual shells rather than blanks? Or a knife that doesn't retract upon contact? Pretty much bang on

I shall $poil shortly, unless contributors want to add any fine detail, like what happened next. Yojimbo, please find a way to encapsulate copulated-to-death in a puzzle.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 2:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did our actor commit "seppuku," or other form of suicide onstage, but actually cut himself? and while he lay there bleeding, and the audience went wild with enthusiasm about the realism, he was actually injured and couldn't rise for his curtain call?
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Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 3:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So he died during his death scene?
Plebeian (Plebeian)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 11:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did our actor commit "seppuku," or other form of suicide onstage, but actually cut himself? and while he lay there bleeding, and the audience went wild with enthusiasm about the realism, he was actually injured and couldn't rise for his curtain call? This is precisely the tale. On another matter, I see some of this conversation about on-stage deaths has leaked across to another puzzle!

So he died during his death scene? Not quite - he was badly injured, didn't get up at the end as he was expected to do. It was his death scene though
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Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 11:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think we have enough details for a
************* SPOILER *********************

This is from a news report which at the time of starting this puzzle I thought was current, but turns out to be from 2008.

Our tale concerns stage actor Daniel Hoevels, who's final act in a play was to commit suicide by slashing his throat with a knife. After the show, the others realised he wasn't getting up, then realised that the stage prop knife had been substituted with a real knife and his injuries were real.

At the time, there was much speculation that this may have been a deliberate act, though the theatre denied this (I'd think it suspicious, and certainly foolish, to have a real knife identical to a prop in the theatre at all).

Also, being the true actor, he had treatment but went back on stage the following night for a repeat performance! (checking the knife carefully beforehand, presumably)

Well done to all.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/11/actor-slits-throat

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