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Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Sunday, November 03, 2013 - 2:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Apologies for stealing a puzzle name.
Why did Joe try to obtain a certain position with the goal of getting fired?
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Did Joe only want to get himself fired? Did he want others to be fired too?
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Did Joe only want to get himself fired? Did he want others to be fired too? He probably wanted others fired, but this isn't relevant.
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Did he want the position to be available for somebody else?

Relevant what kind of position it was?
Relevant what ageJoe is?
Any other people relevant apart from Joe?
Relevant what time we are in?
Relevant what country we are in?
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Relevant what kind of position it was? Yes
Relevant what age Joe is? No
Any other people relevant apart from Joe? Yes
Relevant what time we are in? Somewhat, but it's a true story and was present day so go with that.
Relevant what country we are in?Somewhat, it was the USA.
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 1:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could you please answer my first question as well? ;)

Was he trying to get a new job? Or a position within the job he currently had?

White-collar profession?
Media/entertainment?
School/education?
Medicine?
Administration?
Hotel, restaurant or similar?
Transportation?
Other "intellectual" profession?
Other physical labour profession?
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 9:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he want the position to be available for somebody else? No

Could you please answer my first question as well? ;) Sorry, done.

Was he trying to get a new job? this Or a position within the job he currently had?

White-collar profession?
Media/entertainment?
School/education?
Medicine?
Administration? this is closest
Hotel, restaurant or similar?
Transportation?
Other "intellectual" profession?
Other physical labour profession?
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Was his ultimate aim to get another job? And this job was only a link or stepping stone?

Was he qualified for the job? Did he get it? Is it relevant whether he did?

Was a joke involved? Or did he do it for a very serious reason?

Were the employers aware of his motives?
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Was his ultimate aim to get another job? And this job was only a link or stepping stone? No to all, at least not relevantly.

Was he qualified for the job? Assume yes Did he get it? No Is it relevant whether he did? No

Was a joke involved? No Or did he do it for a very serious reason? He thought so.

Were the employers aware of his motives? Yes, but be careful of FA here.
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If he had gotten the job and had been fired as planned, would he have been fired because of...
not doing his job properly?
breaking company rules?
making his employers angry?
doing something outrageous?
making himself redundant?


Oh! Is the position he is trying to get and the job he's trying to be fired from the same job? Or is he trying to get fired from one job by getting another?
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If he had gotten the job and had been fired as planned, would he have been fired because of...
not doing his job properly?
breaking company rules?
making his employers angry?
doing something outrageous?
making himself redundant?None of these, though this is closest.


Oh! Is the position he is trying to get and the job he's trying to be fired from the same job? Yes Or is he trying to get fired from one job by getting another? No

I realize at this point that "fired" may not be the best word. So let's rewrite the puzzle statement this way:

Why did Joe try to obtain a certain position with the goal of losing it?
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Was it the intention of achieving a certain goal in the position, after which his position is no longer needed?
(e.g. fundraising for some cause)
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Was it the intention of achieving a certain goal in the position, after which his position is no longer needed?
(e.g. fundraising for some cause) Technically this is accurate, but not in the way you're going for.
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Was his job to make the workplace more efficient? Or to design a machine for doing the work of several employees? Or something like that? So that effectively, he would make his own job redundant?
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Was his job to make the workplace more efficient? Or to design a machine for doing the work of several employees? Or something like that? So that effectively, he would make his own job redundant? No to all.
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If Joe achieved his goal of losing the job, would the job still exist for another person after that point?
Would Joe's motive for losing the job be seen by most as a positive motive? (i.e. doing good for the organisation for which he worked? Or good for some people who were recipients of the goods/services he provided?)
Or intended to highlight some bad aspect of the organisation?
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If Joe achieved his goal of losing the job, would the job still exist for another person after that point? No
Would Joe's motive for losing the job be seen by most as a positive motive? (i.e. doing good for the organisation for which he worked? Some might say so. Or good for some people who were recipients of the goods/services he provided?) Some might say so.
Or intended to highlight some bad aspect of the organisation? In a way, this is correct.
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Was the job one with a specific goal to be achieved, such that whoever took the job, if they were successful then after that there would be no need for a replacement?
Was the job task to eliminate some function of the organisation which it was seen as needed removing?

Was Joe's job connected with :-
Government?
Media, e.g. film, television, newspapers?
Law connected, e.g. lawyer, police,
Debt Collection or bounty hunting?
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Was the job one with a specific goal to be achieved, such that whoever took the job, if they were successful then after that there would be no need for a replacement? No
Was the job task to eliminate some function of the organisation which it was seen as needed removing? Yope/yesish

Was Joe's job connected with :-
Government? this, no to rest.
Media, e.g. film, television, newspapers?
Law connected, e.g. lawyer, police,
Debt Collection or bounty hunting?
Plebeian (Plebeian)
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(I've become confused. I shall try to clarify)
If Joe succeeds at the job he is hoping to do...
Will he then be effectively redundant?
Will someone else take over and have the same job?
If someone else took on the job and was successful in the same way as Joe hopes, would that person become effectively redundant?
Is the job related to improving efficiency in a particular Government department?
Or improving efficiency (or conditions) in some external business? After which the job would no longer be necessary?
Is the job connected to weapons inspections or disarmament in some way?
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If Joe succeeds at the job he is hoping to do...
Will he then be effectively redundant? No
Will someone else take over and have the same job? No
If someone else took on the job and was successful in the same way as Joe hopes, would that person become effectively redundant? No, but they would lose their job.
Is the job related to improving efficiency in a particular Government department? Yope
Or improving efficiency (or conditions) in some external business? No After which the job would no longer be necessary? No
Is the job connected to weapons inspections or disarmament in some way? No
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Is it something even slightly in the area of a Minister for War starting "the war to end wars"?

Come to think of it, does this take place in present day? If no, is the year important? 2000s? 90s? 80s? 70s? 60s? 50s? 40s? 30s? 20s? 10s? Even earlier?
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Is it something even slightly in the area of a Minister for War starting "the war to end wars"? No

Come to think of it, does this take place in present day? It happened last year If no, is the year important? this isn't particularly important 2000s? 90s? 80s? 70s? 60s? 50s? 40s? 30s? 20s? 10s? Even earlier?
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HINT: Joe was running for a very minor, trivial position. The exact position is irrelevant, but it is relevantly minor and trivial.
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BIGGER HINT: Finding out Joe's political leanings will help you here.
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Is he liberal? Conservative? Is he a fan of minimal government? Is he a religious fundamentalist? Is he a greenie? An avowed indigenist?
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Is he liberal? Conservative? Is he a fan of minimal government? This, no to rest Is he a religious fundamentalist? Is he a greenie? An avowed indigenist?
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Did he accomplish anything relevant during his time in this role? Did he accept the role with the goal of disestablishing it (like the entire NZ upper house did in 1950)?

Was he trying to highlight the inherent evils of a large government? A particular evil of government? A particular evil of that government?
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Did he accomplish anything relevant during his time in this role? See below Did he accept the role with the goal of disestablishing it (like the entire NZ upper house did in 1950)? Well, it was an election and he lost, but this is really close enough.

****SPOILER***

http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/florida-libertarian-joseph-wendt-netted-43-of-vote-on-platform-to-abolish-his-office

Florida Libertarian Joseph Wendt netted 43% of vote on platform to abolish his office

Posted on Apr 29, 2013
Joseph Wendt
Joseph Wendt,
LP Florida
2012 Candidate
for Soil & Water
Conservation Board
Joseph Wendt, 2012 candidate for Florida's Soil and Water Conservation Board, netted the largest Libertarian Party vote total in his state, and one of the largest in the nation, running on a platform to defund and abolish the board he was campaigning to join.

"I am going to be blunt, the board is a waste of your tax dollars," Wendt wrote on his campaign website. "It has a budget of about a quarter of a million dollars. What do they do with it? They fund a poster contest, and have 2 full-time employees that act like plumbers and doesn't fix anything. Gee, call me crazy, but I think your tax dollars should and can be better spent. So, I want the County to stop funding the Board."

He realized that it would take more than that to keep taxpayer funds safe, though, and made the next logical step a centerpiece of his campaign.

"We will need to abolish the Soil and Water Conservation Districts," Wendt wrote. "This board has done nothing but waste valuable taxpayer dollars and has the potential to levy taxes for so-called 'agricultural projects.' It won't be easy, since abolition requires either a majority of property owners to sign a petition or the signature of the Florida Secretary of Agriculture, then approval from the state legislature. This will be my long-term goal, a goal that we will reach with the help of the voters."

Campaigning on big, bold Libertarian solutions like this can bring significant voter attention and support, as Wendt discovered when he received 166,126 votes on election day, 43 percent of the vote. He spread that message in person and through the invaluable assistance of local LP volunteers, but he primarily focused on his online presence.

"I put up yard signs wherever I could," Wendt said, "But it was largely an Internet campaign."

Wendt had considered running for state representative as a Republican in 2010, but as a long-time fan of the limited-government views of Ron Paul, he quickly grew disaffected with the establishment GOP. When members of the local Libertarian Party affiliate asked him to become involved, he jumped at the chance. He has since become treasurer of the Hillsborough County LP affiliate, and said that he may seek a position in state party leadership.

The near-win of his race and the outstanding vote total he received has Joseph Wendt excited to run again, aiming to win in 2014.

Good job everyone, especially Wiz for the final solve.

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