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Alexanderhamilton (Alexanderhamilton)
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Posted on Monday, November 04, 2013 - 4:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There's a very common misconception that experts have been trying to dispel for some time. Despite their best efforts, it continues to cost lives every year.
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are these "experts" on science? religion? maths? arts? transportation? children? food? chocolate? penguins? cheezburger? kittehs? Inklings? (NaNo-wracked brain is grasping for subjects one can be expert on)
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are these "experts" on science? religion? maths? arts? transportation? children? food? chocolate? penguins? cheezburger? kittehs? Inklings? (NaNo-wracked brain is grasping for subjects one can be expert on)No to all. Although on the subject of Inklings, I was very amused to read a news article today on Lewis' death anniversary that seemed to be under the impression that G. K. Chesterton was one of the Inklings. That reporter could have used an Inkling expert, to be sure.
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Are we talking about human lives? Are they lost in accidents? Crime? To war? Disease/illness? Old (but not as old as they should be, by rights) age?

Are the experts experts in a field that relates to public safety? Communication? Rules/regulations in some form?
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Are we talking about human lives? Yes Are they lost in accidents? Crime? This To war? Disease/illness? Old (but not as old as they should be, by rights) age?

Are the experts experts in a field that relates to public safety? Yesish Communication? No Rules/regulations in some form? DOYD of rules, yes
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Are the people murdered? Are they mass-murdered (school or mall shootings and the like)? Do they die as a result of manslaughter? Alcohol relevant at all? Domestic violence?

Is personal safety as or more relevant than public safety?
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Is gun control or ownership key to the scrund?
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Are the people murdered? Yes Are they mass-murdered (school or mall shootings and the like)? No Do they die as a result of manslaughter? No Alcohol relevant at all? No Domestic violence? No

Is personal safety as or more relevant than public safety? I'd say they're both relevant, but public more so

Is gun control or ownership key to the scrund? No
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Time for a hint:

The experts trying to dispel this scrund are primarily law enforcement officers.
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Is the scrund held by the criminal? The victim? Bystanders? Responding officers? Someone else?

Is the only crime taking place murder? Or does this scrund occur with a crime that may or may not involve murder? Mugging? Armed robbery? Rape? Arson?
In other words, if the scrund didn't exist, would the crime still take place, but not end in murder?

Does the scrund have to do with how one should react to being a victim of crime?
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Is the scrund held by the criminal? The victim? Bystanders? This is closest Responding officers? Someone else? But somewhat this

Is the only crime taking place murder? No! Or does this scrund occur with a crime that may or may not involve murder? Yes Mugging? Armed robbery? Rape? Arson? No to all
In other words, if the scrund didn't exist, would the crime still take place, but not end in murder? Many that end in murder might not

Does the scrund have to do with how one should react to being a victim of crime? Yope
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So, when a certain crime occurs, a person? or multiple people? who are not the victim or perpetrator...
do something they shouldn't? Or don't do something they should? because of a scrund...
and thereby increase the likelihood that a murder will result?

Is the crime a type of terrorism? Hostage-taking? Any type of thievery? Drug-related?

Is the scrund that you should not call the police in a certain situation? Or that you should?
Alexanderhamilton (Alexanderhamilton)
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So, when a certain crime occurs, a person? Could be this or multiple people? Or this who are not the victim or perpetrator...
do something they shouldn't? Or don't do something they should? This because of a scrund...
and thereby increase the likelihood that a murder will result? Yes

Is the crime a type of terrorism? Hostage-taking? Close, but not quite Any type of thievery? Drug-related?

Is the scrund that you should not call the police in a certain situation? Yes! Or that you should? Noish
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Ooh, is the scrund that you should cooperate with kidnappers when they tell you to deliver them money and not call the police?

Because, I imagine, they can simply take the money and then kill the kidnapping victim? Who might otherwise act as an eyewitness and help capture them?
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Ooh, is the scrund that you should cooperate with kidnappers when they tell you to deliver them money and not call the police?

Because, I imagine, they can simply take the money and then kill the kidnapping victim? Who might otherwise act as an eyewitness and help capture them? No to all, but a good thought.
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Is kidnapping relevant? Ransom? Threats? Do the not-quite-bystanders think involving the police will result in a higher risk of death? When in reality the risk is lower if police is involved?
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Is kidnapping relevant? Yes, or any abduction Ransom? Threats? ...but neither of these Do the not-quite-bystanders think involving the police will result in a higher risk of death? No When in reality the risk is lower if police is involved?
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Are the notquitebystanders: in some way related to the victims? Are they ever in communication with the victims? The criminals?
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Are the notquitebystanders: in some way related to the victims? Yes Are they ever in communication with the victims? Never The criminals? No
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Do they know the victims are kidnapped/abducted? do they want the victoms to: survive? Be set free+ do they want the criminals caught? Do they do anything relevant besides avoiding to call the police? Is a specific timeframe relevant? Such as alerting the police within 24 hours? Do the criminals do anything to keep them from contacting the police? Do the criminals rely on people having this scrund? Do they also have this scrund? Is anything preceeding the kidnapping/abduction relevant? Do the notquitewitnesses know the criminals? Do they know anything relevant about the criminals?
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Do they know the victims are kidnapped/abducted? Yes do they want the victoms to: survive?Presumably yes Be set free+ do they want the criminals caught? Presumably Yes Do they do anything relevant besides avoiding to call the police? No Is a specific timeframe relevant? Yes! Such as alerting the police within 24 hours? Yes! Do the criminals do anything to keep them from contacting the police? Do the criminals rely on people having this scrund? Do they also have this scrund? Is anything preceeding the kidnapping/abduction relevant? Do the notquitewitnesses know the criminals? Do they know anything relevant about the criminals? The rest is irrelevant.

This is probably close enough for a
*******SPOILER*******
There is a common belief in the US and the Commonwealth nations that if a person is missing, you must wait 24 hours since they were last seen before alerting the police. The basic idea is that people often go missing for only a few hours for perfectly mundane reasons, and there's no need to waste police resources.

In reality, police want to be alerted as soon as there's even a little evidence of abduction. As with virtually all crimes, they'd much rather waste their time looking into a false alarm than let a real crime go unnoticed. They typically have a very small window to act in these cases, since as any police procedural fan will tell you, the vast majority of abduction cases that aren't solved in 48 hours won't have a happy ending. For missing children, that window shrinks to a mere three hours.

Well shucks, I was hoping this would be my first puzzle to span four months, but great solve!

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