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Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Annoyed by the ubiquitous giraffe riddle on facebook (and how terribly clever people seemed to think it was), I decided to improvise my own based on what was sitting on my desk in front of me. I tried this out on my facebook friends, who 'liked' the solution instead of writing incendiary replies, so I think you may enjoy it. I also think you may find it much easier than they did.

Where in the world would:

Bananas cost $250,
Spring onions cost $500
Potatoes cost $750
A courgette cost $1000,
and Cauliflower cost $1,250?


Early spoliers, you know the drill
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As I was typing questions I hit on the solution. Emailing.
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Possible $poyler e-mailed =)
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Balin: Correct working, wrong conclusion. Suffice it to say that this isn't strictly a word puzzle.

Doriana: Correct :-)
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OK, now I got it.
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Yes, you have indeed :-).
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Do the words have anything to do with it? Or only the items? Would everything cost a multiple of $250? Could something cost $0?
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Do the words have anything to do with it? yes Or only the items? no Would everything cost a multiple of $250? yes Could something cost $0? yes
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you keep a squash on your desk? and a cauliflower...?
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you keep a squash on your desk? and a cauliflower...? I often have data on the prices thereof on my desk.
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Are these prices of the actual items (bananas, cauliflower etc.)? Are these prices of tags for the items? Photos of the items? Pictures of the items?
Is it relevant that bananas are plural and califlower is singular?
Would every possible item have its cost according to this puzzle? If yes, would a car cost: 0? 250? 500? 750? 1000? more? Would it be relevant to this puzzle if the car was a Fiat or a Ferrari?
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Are these prices of the actual items (bananas, cauliflower etc.)? no Are these prices of tags for the items? no Photos of the items? no Pictures of the items? no
Is it relevant that bananas are plural and califlower is singular? no
Would every possible item have its cost according to this puzzle? yes If yes, would a car cost: 0? 250? this 500? 750? 1000? more? Would it be relevant to this puzzle if the car was a Fiat or a Ferrari? yes, and both would cost more than $250
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Would Fiat be cheaper? Would Ferrari be cheaper?
Is it relevant that Cauliflower starts with capital letter and courgette with a small one?
Would items named in other languages also have their prices?
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Would Fiat be cheaper? Would Ferrari be cheaper? Ferrari would cost more than Fiat
Is it relevant that Cauliflower starts with capital letter and courgette with a small one? no
Would items named in other languages also have their prices? Yes. For example, in Polish:

bananowy would cost $500
cukinia, kalafior and ziemniak would all cost $750
m³oda cebulka would cost either $1000 or $1250 - I haven't encountered the character between the 'm' and the 'o' before
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I see that:

A courgette cost $1000

Is it also true that:

courgette cost $1000

and is it also true that:

A courgette costs $1000

and is it also true that:

A zucchini cost $1000

and is it also true that:

A green vegetable shaped a bit like a cucumber but which is actually a sort of baby marrow cost $1000
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Would the answer to the question be different if you had asked about Fiats, Ferraris and Fords instead of Bananas, Spring Onions and Potatoes?
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Tonight, on 'Puzzles that aren't Rulebreakers but I suppose I can answer in a similar vein':

I see that:

A courgette cost $1000

Is it also true that:

courgette cost $1000 no

and is it also true that:

A courgette costs $1000 yes, but it wouldn't make any grammatical sense

and is it also true that:

A zucchini cost $1000 no

and is it also true that:

A green vegetable shaped a bit like a cucumber but which is actually a sort of baby marrow cost $1000 no
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Would the answer to the question be different if you had asked about Fiats, Ferraris and Fords instead of Bananas, Spring Onions and Potatoes? Not entirely sure what you mean by this. I could have announced the cost of Fiats, Ferraris and Fords in the puzzle statement, but the prices would have been different. However, the prices of these items would be the same regardless of which point in this discussion someone enquired about them.
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I am totally impressed that you cared to look up some words in Polish for me :-)
Given that "³" in "m³oda cebulka" is a consonant, are you able to determine the price?
Given that "³" comes in alphabet between "l" and "m", are you able to determine the price?
Given that "³" is pronounced like "w" in "what", "why" and "show", are you able to determine the price?
Is it possible for any item to cost more than $1500?
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Sorry, Wiz, what I meant was:

The question is "Where in the world would [various things cost various amounts]?"

Would the answer (ie where in the world) be the same if you had asked about Fiats and Ferraris costing $250 or whatever, instead of Bananas and Potatoes costing $250 or whatever?
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Combinations of consonants and vowels relevant?
[not one on FB, I haven't seen the ubiquitous giraffe riddle, and find I'm pleased by that]
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Redwine:

Given that "³" in "m³oda cebulka" is a consonant, are you able to determine the price? yes - it's $1000
Given that "³" comes in alphabet between "l" and "m", are you able to determine the price? If I didn't know the information you gave me in the previous question, I couldn't determine the price
Given that "³" is pronounced like "w" in "what", "why" and "show", are you able to determine the price? Not without the knowledge you gave me in the first question
Is it possible for any item to cost more than $1500? No. It's not even possible for an item to cost that.

Thanks for all the information on '³', I found it very interesting. I see now that it didn't quite copy-paste properly from the 'Learn Polish' website I took it from.

Psydkik:

The question is "Where in the world would [various things cost various amounts]?"

Would the answer (ie where in the world) be the same if you had asked about Fiats and Ferraris costing $250 or whatever, instead of Bananas and Potatoes costing $250 or whatever? Ah, gotcha. Yes, the answer to the puzzle question would be the same. You can buy all the aforementioned in this place.

Yojimbo:

Combinations of consonants and vowels relevant? no
[not one on FB, I haven't seen the ubiquitous giraffe riddle, and find I'm pleased by that] If you enjoy jokes in the vein of 'How do you get an elephant into your fridge?', you would enjoy this riddle. It seems to have enduring popularity because the forfeit for guessing incorrectly is turning one's profile picture into a giraffe in some guise or other.
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Does time play a factor in this puzzle? I mean the situation, in which answer to a puzzle sentence is Place X in period of time Y-Z
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Does time play a factor in this puzzle? I mean the situation, in which answer to a puzzle sentence is Place X in period of time Y-Z The solution doesn't involve time (although this scenario has not existed throughout all of human or natural history)
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Emailed a couple of thoughts about possible $poiler.
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Emailed a couple of thoughts about possible $poiler. Like Balin's first attempt, your working is correct, but your conclusion is not.

Your e-mail does reveal a potential weakness in the puzzle: There are multiple versions of this place. They deal not only with different languages, but different pricing systems. The one featured in this puzzle, however, is by far the most well-known and well-established; even those who are familiar with other versions would have been aware of the most famous version first.
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Was this pricing used to price longer texts as well as singular words? Were the money actually paid?
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Was this pricing used to price longer texts as well as singular words? Yes Were the money actually paid? <b>Sometimes, although the transaction would be treated more similarly to an IOU or negative credit.
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Herp derp I'm Wizardofnz and I can't close html tags

Were the money actually paid? Sometimes, although the transaction would be treated more similarly to an IOU or negative credit.
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When one buys what is bought in the Puzzle Place, does one got it in a sort of material, tangible item? In a sort of virtual item? Is he granted the right to use it, but it never appears as either material or virtual item?
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If this were Hebrew, which has about 10 vowels, could something cost more than $1500? If this were Hebrew without vowels, as it is commonly written, would everything be free?
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Is Doriana's department store game relevant? (I can't remember what puzzle that was...hang on *quick search* oh well, it was called Department Store Rulebreaker, that makes it easier. December 2011, Solved Puzzles. I remember it was a most magical place. Gregory, I vote that Doriana's Department Store be the official department store chain of Gregory Coke Land.)
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Redwine:

When one buys what is bought in the Puzzle Place, does one got it in a sort of material, tangible item? In a sort of virtual item? <b>no<;/b> Is he granted the right to use it, but it never appears as either material or virtual item? no

Gregoryuconn:

If this were Hebrew, which has about 10 vowels, could something cost more than $1500? A version of this place existed in Israel, but I can't find any information on the pricing system in English (: Assuming it worked in the exact same way as the most well-known iteration of this place, the answer to your question is yes If this were Hebrew without vowels, as it is commonly written, would everything be free? yes (:

Kayleearafinwiel

Is Doriana's department store game relevant? (I can't remember what puzzle that was...hang on *quick search* oh well, it was called Department Store Rulebreaker, that makes it easier. December 2011, Solved Puzzles. I remember it was a most magical place. Gregory, I vote that Doriana's Department Store be the official department store chain of Gregory Coke Land.) It isn't, but the thread made for an interesting skim-read, thanks (:
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Aha, so:

A courgette cost $1000, yet chopped courgette could cost $750?

And a zucchini will cost $750, but never cost $500?


I offer you $500 for your soul.
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Aha, so:

A courgette cost $1000, yet chopped courgette could cost $750?

And a zucchini will cost $750, but never cost $500?


I offer you $500 for your soul. You understand the how. Do you understand the where?
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Do the people who sell these are artists? Designers? Are computers relevant to this puzzle?
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Gameshows relevant?
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No, and at the moment I can't even work out where to start looking/asking! :-S
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Redwine:

Do the people who sell these are artists? no Designers? no Are computers relevant to this puzzle? computational devices of some sort are involved

Jondahr:

Gameshows relevant? Very!

Psydkik:

No, and at the moment I can't even work out where to start looking/asking! :-S I think we're quite well-placed now (:
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Wheel of Fortune relevant? Buying vowels?
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Wheel of Fortune relevant? Buying vowels? yes on both counts!

***** SPOILER *****

The answer is 'On Wheel of Fortune, where each individual vowel costs $250. Of course, all of these can be obtained for free with a correct guess...


Well done everyone for playing. I was initially worried that this would be either far too hard or far too easy, but it seems that there's a good balance of difficulty, and it was encouring to see that some, but not all, guessed it immediately. What I didn't anticipate so much was it becoming a riddle of two halves - figuring out the pricing scheme and then figuring out where such a scheme is in place. The current syndicated run (31 seasons) suggests it's still popular as well as culturally relevant.
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Great puzzle! Should have seen it coming a lot earlier, but once your brain is shifted into the wrong gear... I think the title helped make it less obvious as it primed us to keep think geographically.
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The puzzle title comes from a not-altogether-wrong guess that one of my Facebook friends made.

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