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Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2013 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why did a well-regarded and respectable lawyer deliberately delay a court hearing until after a horse race?
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Was the lawyer representing one of the parties in the case? The defendant? The prosecution?

Had anyone placed a relevant bet on the horse race? Did the lawyer think he was more likely to win the case after the horse race? Was there some reason why the hearing could not take place before the race?

Was it originally supposed to take place before the race? During the race?
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Was the lawyer representing one of the parties in the case? yes The defendant? yes The prosecution?

Had anyone placed a relevant bet on the horse race? yes Did the lawyer think he was more likely to win the case after the horse race? yes Was there some reason why the hearing could not take place before the race? no

Was it originally supposed to take place before the race? yes During the race?
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Had the lawyer placed a bet? A different lawyer? The judge? The defendant? A witness? A member of the jury?
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Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2013 - 11:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had the lawyer placed a bet? A different lawyer? The judge? The defendant? this A witness? A member of the jury?
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Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2013 - 11:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the case something to do the defendant's suitability for something, and for that, his position would be better off if he were richer? And the lawyer thought he'd win a significant amount of money on the race?
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Posted on Friday, November 08, 2013 - 12:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the case something to do the defendant's suitability for something, and for that, his position would be better off if he were richer? not quite, but think along this line And the lawyer thought he'd win a significant amount of money on the race? no
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Posted on Friday, November 08, 2013 - 2:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If the horse wins the race, does that indicate favorable evidence to introduce?
Was the defendant the horse's trainer? Owner? The jockey? Had his worth, merit, or qualifications been disparaged? Does the case pertain to a scenario like that?
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If the horse wins the race, does that indicate favorable evidence to introduce? yes
Was the defendant the horse's trainer? Owner? The jockey? none of the above Had his worth, merit this is closest, or qualifications been disparaged? Does the case pertain to a scenario like that? not really
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Is the defendant associated with the horse? With other horses? With the racetrack? With a betting parlor?
Race horses have inventive names. Is this horse named "Law Society?"
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Is the defendant associated with the horse? With other horses? With the racetrack? With a betting parlor? none of the above
Race horses have inventive names. Is this horse named "Law Society?" This puzzle is named for the champion racehorse 'Law Society'. However, he, or another horse by that name, does not specifically feature in this puzzle
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Posted on Friday, November 08, 2013 - 2:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is there an actual racehorse named Law Society? I thought I was just having a bit of fun.
Is the defendant in civil court, or criminal?
And to see whether I understand: if the horse wins, the lawyer thinks he has a better case? If the horse loses, the lawyer thinks his case is worse?
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Posted on Friday, November 08, 2013 - 2:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is there an actual racehorse named Law Society? yes - a highly successful one, winning the Anglesey Stakes, National Stakes, Chester Vase and Irish Derby - co-incidentally about the same era in which this puzzle is set I thought I was just having a bit of fun. Well, now this puzzle is fun and educational!
Is the defendant in civil court, or criminal? this
And to see whether I understand: if the horse wins, the lawyer thinks he has a better case? yesIf the horse loses, the lawyer thinks his case is worse? no, but his case certainly wouldn't be improved
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Posted on Friday, November 08, 2013 - 2:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I imagine the defendant's crime is relevant?
If so:
homicide or other death? assault?
property damage? property theft?
embezzling? fraud?
Is the defendant well-known?
Is the puzzle based on actual events?
just curious
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I imagine the defendant's crime is relevant? yes
If so:
homicide or other death? assault?
property damage? property theft?
embezzling? fraud? none of these
Is the defendant well-known? no, but the lawyer grew up to be one of the most famous and well-loved New Zealanders of all time. This is irrelevant.
Is the puzzle based on actual events? yes
just curious Always an asset for a LTPer
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Posted on Friday, November 08, 2013 - 3:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Felony? Misdemeanor?
Trafficking?
Slander? Libel?
Kidnapping?
Piracy?
Terrorism?
Robbery? Burglary?
[perhaps an LTPF list of criminal offenses exists, but I'd prefer to not invoke it]
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Felony? Misdemeanor? I don't know if this is an infraction under the US legal system, but, in terms of level of severity and the ensuing sentence, it would most likely be considered a misdemeanour
Trafficking?
Slander? Libel?
Kidnapping?
Piracy?
Terrorism?
Robbery? Burglary? none of the above
[perhaps an LTPF list of criminal offenses exists, but I'd prefer to not invoke it] fair enough
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Posted on Friday, November 08, 2013 - 4:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the crime involve another person/people? animals? property? vehicles? money?
[might yet have to resort to the "LTPF list of minor crimes in NZ which may or may not be crimes in the US" -- but not yet.]
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Posted on Friday, November 08, 2013 - 9:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

These may be stupid questions, but...
Is betting on horse races legal in New Zealand?
Is organizing bets on horse races legal in New Zealand?
Is advising on bets on horse races legal in New Zealand?
Is organizing horse races legal in New Zealand?
Do we speak about normal horse races, where ordinary, live horses and jockeys compete who's the fastest?
If the horse won the race, would it prove that the defendant indeed have relevant knowledge about the horses/the jockeys/the races?
Was the race honest?
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Was the defendant involved in organized crime? Is fixing horse races relevant?

Did the lawyer hope his defendant would win money? Did he hope he would lose money?
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Posted on Sunday, November 10, 2013 - 7:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yojimbo:

did the crime involve another person/people? no! animals? property? vehicles? no to these money? money is a factor in the crime
[might yet have to resort to the "LTPF list of minor crimes in NZ which may or may not be crimes in the US" -- but not yet.] not with good questions like those you have just asked

Redwine:

These may be stupid questions, but... It is said that the only stupid question is an unasked one, so fire away!
Is betting on horse races legal in New Zealand? yes
Is organizing bets on horse races legal in New Zealand? yes
Is advising on bets on horse races legal in New Zealand? yes
Is organizing horse races legal in New Zealand? yes
Do we speak about normal horse races, where ordinary, live horses and jockeys compete who's the fastest? yes
If the horse won the race, would it prove that the defendant indeed have relevant knowledge about the horses/the jockeys/the races? no/irrelevant
Was the race honest? yes/irrelevant

Alexanderhamilton:

Was the defendant involved in organized crime? no Is fixing horse races relevant? no

Did the lawyer hope his defendant would win money? yes Did he hope he would lose money? no
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Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 12:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the crime forgery?
Was it the case, in which the defendant could set up an agreement with the other party, if he was able to pay compensation? And if he gained money from the race, he could afford compensation?
Did the defendant take money that were not his, and if he returned them before hearing there would be no crime?
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Was the crime forgery? no
Was it the case, in which the defendant could set up an agreement with the other party, if he was able to pay compensation? And if he gained money from the race, he could afford compensation? no but very OTRT in terms of the lawyer's motive
Did the defendant take money that were not his, and if he returned them before hearing there would be no crime? no
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Does it matter to the lawyer if the jury/judge know that the defendant has just won money on a race?

Is bribery relevant? Is the lawyer's fee relevant? Is the defendant's case strengthened by him being able to buy something? Pay for something?

Was the crime traffic-related? Drugs related? Internet related?
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Does it matter to the lawyer if the jury/judge know that the defendant has just won money on a race? no, I don't think that would materially affect the case

Is bribery relevant? no Is the lawyer's fee relevant? no Is the defendant's case strengthened by him being able to buy something? Pay for something? yes to both, in a vague and hypothetical sense

Was the crime traffic-related? Drugs related? Internet related? no to all
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If the defendant does win, will he at any point during the case do something relevant with the money or some of it? Spend it? Give it to someone?

Relevant that the defendant will probably be happier if he has won money?

Was the defendant actually guilty? Was the crime committed in public? At home? In a building? Was the crime intended to result in the criminal having more money? More possessions? Is it relevant what the punishment would be if the defendant were found guilty?
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If the defendant does win, will he at any point during the case do something relevant with the money or some of it? no Spend it? Give it to someone? n/a

Relevant that the defendant will probably be happier if he has won money? no

Was the defendant actually guilty? after the race, no Was the crime committed in public? At home? In a building? potentially in any and all of these places Was the crime intended to result in the criminal having more money? no More possessions? no Is it relevant what the punishment would be if the defendant were found guilty? no - but it wouldn't have been tremendously severe
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Ah - so winning money would actually stop the man being guilty? Was his crime something like writing a cheque that bounced? Claiming to have more money than he did? Failure to pay something?
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Ah - so winning money would actually stop the man being guilty? correct! Was his crime something like writing a cheque that bounced? no Claiming to have more money than he did? no Failure to pay something? no, but it concerns his capacity to pay for things
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Did he take on some kind of financial commitment with a false guarantee that he could pay? Did he act as a guarantor for someone else?
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If the man had bet on another horse but won the same amount of money, would the lawyer be equally happy? If the man received the money through some other legal means (say, an inheritance), would the lawyer be equally happy?

Tax evasion relevant? Slander?

Did the man bet on the horse race in the commission of the crime? If he had never bet on a horse, would he still have been charged?
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Enjay:

Did he take on some kind of financial commitment with a false guarantee that he could pay? Did he act as a guarantor for someone else? no to both

Alexanderhamilton:

If the man had bet on another horse but won the same amount of money, would the lawyer be equally happy? yes If the man received the money through some other legal means (say, an inheritance), would the lawyer be equally happy? yes, although this circumstance would be unexpected

Tax evasion relevant? Slander? no to both

Did the man bet on the horse race in the commission of the crime? no If he had never bet on a horse, would he still have been charged? yes
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Is it correct to say that when the defendant has no money (less money) his deed is an offence but when the defendant will be having money (more money) - given that he will not use the money, their source is legal and otherwise irrelevant - his deed will not be regarded criminal?
Did the defendant claim he had certain amount of money? Did he claim something other about his financial status? Did the defendant owe someone the money? Did he stop paying his debts?
As the crime did not involve other people, was there no victim?
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Is it correct to say that when the defendant has no money (less money) his deed is an offence but when the defendant will be having money (more money) - given that he will not use the money, their source is legal and otherwise irrelevant - his deed will not be regarded criminal? All correct. Gosh, you talk like a lawyer :P
Did the defendant claim he had certain amount of money? no Did he claim something other about his financial status? no Did the defendant owe someone the money? no Did he stop paying his debts? no
As the crime did not involve other people, was there no victim? I would consider this a victimless crime. The law against it was repealed a few years later due to whatever it was designed to protect against being horribly out of date
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Was the man's offence connected with pornography? prostitution?
Was the relevant capacity to pay for goods? for services?
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Was the man's offence connected with pornography? prostitution? no to both
Was the relevant capacity to pay for goods? for services? hypothetically either
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Does the man's offense require equipment? Does it involve documents? Is the offense verbal? Could anybody commit that offense? Does a person need some qualifications to do that offense? Is this offense committed indoors? Outdoors?
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Does the man's offense require equipment? no Does it involve documents? no Is the offense verbal? no Could anybody commit that offense? yes, easily Does a person need some qualifications to do that offense? no Is this offense committed indoors? Outdoors? either
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Is the man's occupation relevant to his crime? Did the man run an enterprise?
Did the man use public transportation without ticket? Was the man fined for something and was unable to pay the fine?
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Is the man's occupation relevant to his crime? No specific occupation is relevant, but his employment status is... Did the man run an enterprise? no, he didn't
Did the man use public transportation without ticket? no Was the man fined for something and was unable to pay the fine? no
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Was the man unemployed? Homeless? Did he beg for money? Sleep in the park?
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Is the man unemployed? Is he employed? Are unemployment benefits relevant?

Did the man gamble away money that was supposed to be used for food, housing, etc.? But if he wins the money back, there's no crime, since he didn't actually "spend" the money?

Alternatively, did the man receive benefits he wasn't entitled to? And by winning the money, he'd be able to pay it back?
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Redwine:

Was the man unemployed? yes! Homeless? not necessarily, but could be for the sake of this puzzle Did he beg for money? Sleep in the park? not necessarily either - but such behaviour could have led him to be charged with this offence.

Alexanderhamilton:


Is the man unemployed? this! Is he employed? no Are unemployment benefits relevant? no - but he could have gotten off scot-free if he were receiving one.

Did the man gamble away money that was supposed to be used for food, housing, etc.? no But if he wins the money back, there's no crime, since he didn't actually "spend" the money? incorrect

Alternatively, did the man receive benefits he wasn't entitled to? no And by winning the money, he'd be able to pay it back? no
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Was the man drunk? Littering? Pissing in public?
Did he get something/use the service without payment?

Now it's time for me to take some sleep, I will show up when it will be morning here, with some more creative ideas.
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Was the man drunk? Littering? Pissing in public? quite likely either of those. We don't need to be that specific - he was just being disorderly in public.
Did he get something/use the service without payment? no

Now it's time for me to take some sleep, I will show up when it will be morning here, with some more creative ideas. Looking forward to it.
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Having the money, can the man claim he is an artist/performer/activist? And his littering/pissing/whatever was artistic installation/awareness campaign? So that he can defend himself with freedom of speach and artistic expression?
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This is a tad absurd, but if his crime was being disorderly in public, does he plan to buy whatever space he was on, making it no longer 'public?'

Does this take place well in the past? Are old fashioned notions of 'vagrancy' and the like relevant? Would the very possession of money make him no longer a 'bum'.

Would the crime go away if the man made a donation to clean up whatever mess he made?
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Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2013 - 1:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Redwine:

Having the money, can the man claim he is an artist/performer/activist? And his littering/pissing/whatever was artistic installation/awareness campaign? So that he can defend himself with freedom of speach and artistic expression? this is incorrect

Alexanderhamilton:

This is a tad absurd, but if his crime was being disorderly in public, does he plan to buy whatever space he was on, making it no longer 'public?' no

Does this take place well in the past? no, but the English common law it's based on certainly does Are old fashioned notions of 'vagrancy' and the like relevant? yes! Would the very possession of money make him no longer a 'bum'. this is close enough.

***** SPOILER *****

The lawyer's client was charged with being disorderly in public without a means to support himself, based on archaic notions of vagrancy and the like. The client possessed one single asset - a ticket on today's horse race. The client's horse won the race. The ticket was worth $38. The charges were dropped.


I apologise for this one - the law was just a little obscure - the material facts of the case i.e. that the ticket became a financial asset thus letting the client off the charge, was solved a long time ago.

The lawyer was David Lange, who become Prime Minister of New Zealand in 1984, leading the fourth Labour government. He is perhaps most well-known in the United States for his interjection during the Oxford Union nuclear debate: 'I will give you that answer in a minute if you'll just hold your breath. I can smell the uranium on it'.

About to host a new puzzle; I swear this one will be easier.
Redwine (Redwine)
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Post Number: 975
Registered: 10-2013
Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2013 - 1:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I liked this one :-)

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