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Nimue (Nimue)
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Emma Sue is voting for the person she considers the worst of several candidates for public office. She is not personally acquainted with this man. How come??
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Does she think it's like Survivor where you vote the worst one off?
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Does she think it's like Survivor where you vote the worst one off? no
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Is she aware of who she is voting for, and is doing so as the result of a rational choice?

Does she believe this candidate has a chance of being elected for public office?

By voting for this candidate, is she somehow trying to prevent another popular, but undesirable, candidate from achieving public office?

Is there only one position up for grabs in this ballot? Is the system of voting relevant (e.g. STV, FPP, some kind of proportional representation?)

Looking at it from a perspective other than tactical voting, does she stand to gain anything from voting for this person?

Is she actually voting for this person to ascend to public office?
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Is she aware of who she is voting for yes, and is doing so as the result of a rational choice yes?

Does she believe this candidate has a chance of being elected for public office? yes

By voting for this candidate, is she somehow trying to prevent another popular, but undesirable, candidate from achieving public office? no

Is there only one position up for grabs in this ballot? yesIs the system of voting relevant (e.g. STV, FPP, some kind of proportional representation?) no

Looking at it from a perspective other than tactical voting, does she stand to gain anything from voting for this person?yope

Is she actually voting for this person to ascend to public office? yes
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BLOOOOOPERRRRRALERTTTTT!!!
Looking at it from a perspective other than tactical voting, does she stand to gain anything from voting for this person?yope The answer should be yesish
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Is she persuading other people to vote using her tactical rationale? Is she part of a group of people, organised or otherwise, doing the same thing? Does her vote carry the same weight as other people's? Is she part of a particularly small electorate?

When you say 'the worst candidate' - do you mean the least suitable for public office? This particular public office? Does she want him in power anyway? Does she agree with his ideology or promises despite knowing that he would not deal well with the mechanisms of politics?

Would his being in power benefit Emma Sue in some way? Disproportionately? Is he advancing some sort of cause that would benefit her, or that she agrees with at an ideological level?
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Is she persuading other people to vote using her tactical rationale? irrel Is she part of a group of people, organised or otherwise, doing the same thing? no Does her vote carry the same weight as other people's? yesIs she part of a particularly small electorate? no

When you say 'the worst candidate' - do you mean the least suitable for public office? yes This particular public office? yes Does she want him in power anyway? yope Does she agree with his ideology or promises despite knowing that he would not deal well with the mechanisms of politics? no

Would his being in power benefit Emma Sue in some way? yesishDisproportionately? yesishIs he advancing some sort of cause that would benefit her, or that she agrees with at an ideological level? no
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Relevant which particular office they are being voted for? Although she believes the candidate would not make a good politician, does she support the party they represent?

Is anyone she knows relevantly acquainted with this man?

Does she suspect he will take a particular action once in office that will benefit-ish her in some disproportionate-ish way?
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Is the exact office relevant?
Is it relevant why she considers this person to be the least suitable candidate?

Would she (yesishly) benefit financially?
Would any organization that she is affiliated with benefit?
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Relevant which particular office they are being voted for?noish Although she believes the candidate would not make a good politician, does she support the party they represent? irrel

Is anyone she knows relevantly acquainted with this man? no but you're ORT

Does she suspect he will take a particular action once in office that will benefit-ish her in some disproportionate-ish way? yesish
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Is the exact office relevant? no
Is it relevant why she considers this person to be the least suitable candidate? no

Would she (yesishly) benefit financially? no
Would any organization that she is affiliated with benefit? no
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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ORT, you say...

Is anyone who she doesn't know relevantly acquainted with this man? Is he one of the other candidates? Another political figure? Although unknown to Emma Sue, does this character affect her life somehow?

Alternatively, would someone she knows relevantly benefit from the prospective actions of this man in office?
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Would Emma Sue's purpose for voting be equally satisfied if the candidate won or lost? Would it better if he won? Better if he lost?

Is it relevant why she thinks he's the worst candidate? Does she have some knowledge about him that the general electorate wouldn't?
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ORT, you say...

Is anyone who she doesn't know relevantly acquainted with this man? no Is he one of the other candidates?n/a Another political figure? n/a Although unknown to Emma Sue, does this character affect her life somehow? see next answer

Alternatively, would someone she knows relevantly benefit from the prospective actions of this man in office? yope
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Would Emma Sue's purpose for voting be equally satisfied if the candidate won or lost? noWould it better if he won? yes Better if he lost? no

Is it relevant why she thinks he's the worst candidate? no Does she have some knowledge about him that the general electorate wouldn't? yes but irrel to the previous answer
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HINT: When someone holds elective office, what also usually changes in his life?
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is his current job relevant? does she just want him to move on from his current job? so that someone else can get it? her? someone important to her?

Is it relevant what he would do after being elected? decisions he would make? changes he would make? is it sufficient for her purposes that he be elected?

would it work for her if he was elected but then decided not to take the position?

is she trying to stop someone else being elected? are any of the other candidates for the position relevant?

is his potential change in financial circumstances (if elected) relevant?

she is trying to benefit another particular person right? is that person a member of her family? a friend?

the benefit that would be obtained from him being elected - is it a benefit just for that particular person? for her too?

is her ultimate aim to gain a benefit for herself? to stop something bad happening? to her? to someone else?

is crime involved? money? status? fame? laws? romance? animals? healthcare? education? the arts?
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is his current job relevant? yes does she just want him to move on from his current job? yes so that someone else can get it? yopeher? nosomeone important to her? no

Is it relevant what he would do after being elected? just that he would leave his old jobdecisions he would make? see previous answerchanges he would make? no is it sufficient for her purposes that he be elected? yes

would it work for her if he was elected but then decided not to take the position? no

is she trying to stop someone else being elected? no are any of the other candidates for the position relevant? no

is his potential change in financial circumstances (if elected) relevant?

she is trying to benefit another particular person right? yesis that person a member of her family? possibly a friend? ditto

the benefit that would be obtained from him being elected - is it a benefit just for that particular person? yesish or yopefor her too? noish or yope

is her ultimate aim to gain a benefit for herself? no to stop something bad happening? the first formulation is better to her? noto someone else? yes

is crime involved? nomoney? no status? nofame? no laws? noromance? no animals? nohealthcare? no education? no the arts? no
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Is he her co-worker? And it's a relatively trivial office but him getting elected would force him to quit? Or is he her teacher/professor and she hates him? Or is he an incompetent coach of her favorite team and she wants a new one?

I know several people who claim to have voted "Paul Pasquarelli" for U.S. Senate in Connecticut in 2012, even though he was an unknown third party candidate and the race was expected to be close between the Democrat and Republican, since they thought he was our incompetent football coach and wanted a new one. However, "Pasquarelli" is combining two different people - Paul Passarelli, the candidate, and Paul Pasqualoni, the coach. So him winning wouldn't have gotten us a new coach, though Pasqualoni got fired anyway eventually. He got higher than any other Libertarian Party candidate in Connecticut, and the Party's highest total for statewide office ever, so maybe a lot of people did so.
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Is he her co-worker? noAnd it's a relatively trivial office irrelbut him getting elected would force him to quit? Or is he her teacher/professor and she hates him? no Or is he an incompetent coach of her favorite team and she wants a new one? no

I know several people who claim to have voted "Paul Pasquarelli" for U.S. Senate in Connecticut in 2012, even though he was an unknown third party candidate and the race was expected to be close between the Democrat and Republican, since they thought he was our incompetent football coach and wanted a new one. However, "Pasquarelli" is combining two different people - Paul Passarelli, the candidate, and Paul Pasqualoni, the coach. So him winning wouldn't have gotten us a new coach, though Pasqualoni got fired anyway eventually. He got higher than any other Libertarian Party candidate in Connecticut, and the Party's highest total for statewide office ever, so maybe a lot of people did so.
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Does Emma Sue know who would take the politicians old position? Does she care who would take the old position?

Is the politician's exact profession relevant? Does he work in the private sector? Does he work in an office setting? Does he own a business?
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Does Emma Sue know who would take the politicians old position? no Does she care who would take the old position? yes

Is the politician's exact profession relevant? no Does he work in the private sector? possibly Does he work in an office setting? ditto Does he own a business? unlikely
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The person she's doing this for: are they an employee of the candidate? Does she want him to win so her acquaintance has a different boss?

Is there some sort of activity the candidate is doing in his current job that would stop if he left? Is he harassing/abusive towards the acquaintance?
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The person she's doing this for: are they an employee of the candidate? yesDoes she want him to win so her acquaintance has a different boss? yes

Is there some sort of activity the candidate is doing in his current job that would stop if he left? yesIs he harassing/abusive towards the acquaintance? possibly but not necessarily


*********** SPOILER ************
Why is Emma Sue is voting for a lousy candidate for public office? Because he's also the lousy boss of her best friend, & if he wins the election, he'll have to leave his job. Please check out my new puzzle!!

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