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Redwine (Redwine)
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Recently, I read the text proving that certain game can be considered racist. Keeping in mind the joking manner of the text, the reasoning was perfectly valid.
What is the game and why can it be considered racist?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Is it a computer game?
If not, is it a board game? card game? outdoor game?
Is it a game mainly played by children? adults?

Could it be considered racist because of its name? (E.g., we have a kids' game in Germany called "Who is afraid of the black man")

Are any colour adjectives relevant?
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Doriana:
Is it a computer game? Yope.
If not, is it a board game? card game? outdoor game? None of these.
Is it a game mainly played by children? adults? Both, but mainly adults.

Could it be considered racist because of its name? No. (E.g., we have a kids' game in Germany called "Who is afraid of the black man")

Are any colour adjectives relevant? No.
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Does it have both computerised and non-computerised elements (such as those games in the 90s when you'd play a VHS while playing the board game and occasionally the 'gatekeeper' would appear on your TV and shout instructions to you)?

Relevant which device it's played on? Is it a cellphone game? PC? Gaming console? Something less sophisticated?
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Wizardofnz:
Does it have both computerised and non-computerised elements (such as those games in the 90s when you'd play a VHS while playing the board game and occasionally the 'gatekeeper' would appear on your TV and shout instructions to you)? No, nothing that complicated.

Relevant which device it's played on? No. I saw it on PC and also console, but probably it's possible to play on any of these. Is it a cellphone game? PC? Gaming console? Something less sophisticated? Yes, primarily people play this game not using electronic devices at all.
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Does the game require a pen and paper?
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Peter365:
Does the game require a pen and paper? No.
Balin (Balin)
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Is it a game people play on their own? With a group of people? Something like 20 Questions or I Spy?
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Is it a card game? Solitaire or Hearts? Blackjack? Black suits (spade, club) relevant?
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Oh, hey, look at someone asking that very question 7 posts earlier. Ignore me.
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Balin:
Is it a game people play on their own? Usually two people play this game. With a group of people? Something like 20 Questions or I Spy? No.

Wizardofnz:
Question ignored, as requested.
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Does the game involve strategy and skill? or is more a game of luck? Is it something old or recently created? Is it played indoors? Does it require a prop?

Would the racism be against people from a specific country? or just against general colour?
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Peter365:
Does the game involve strategy and skill? Yes. or is more a game of luck? No. Is it something old or recently created? Old, Wikipedia says 15th century. Is it played indoors? Practically yes, but there is no obstacle to play it outdoors if someone wanted to. Does it require a prop? Yes.

Would the racism be against people from a specific country? No. or just against general colour? General colour and also colours in general.
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Chess is a board game isn't it? so it can be that but it does fit so many of the clues? I was thinking that white always going first might have a racial connotation?
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Peter365:
Chess is a board game isn't it? Yes, chess is a board game and fits the answers so far. But it's not the one I read about. so it can be that but it does fit so many of the clues? I was thinking that white always going first might have a racial connotation? It seems that there are more games that have racial connotations when one comes to think about it.
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Are we talking about "Othello", aka "Reversi"?
Or "Go"? Though I think that dates back to B.C.
As probably does "Draughts" date back to B.C.

Or some other game that involves two sets of black and white pieces trying to destroy or capture each other?

Or "Fox and Geese" which I think can be played with black and white pieces and involves one side kind of ganging up and trying to surround and entrap the other?
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Psydkik:
Are we talking about "Othello", aka "Reversi"?
Or "Go"? Though I think that dates back to B.C.
As probably does "Draughts" date back to B.C.

Or some other game that involves two sets of black and white pieces trying to destroy or capture each other?

Or "Fox and Geese" which I think can be played with black and white pieces and involves one side kind of ganging up and trying to surround and entrap the other? None of these games is the one I read about. The relevant game uses more colours than black and white.
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Is it Clue/Cluedo? When the person murdered is Dr. Black (Potentially by Mr. White)?
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Wizardofnz:
Is it Clue/Cluedo? When the person murdered is Dr. Black (Potentially by Mr. White)? No.
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It's not a card game, like bridge, for example, but are cards involved in any way? like tarot?

Or could it be something like backgammon? (I don't know how you would play that electronically, but I don't know how to play it anyway.) Chinese checkers? Fox & geese?
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Solo:
It's not a card game, like bridge, for example, but are cards involved in any way? No, no cards at all. like tarot?

Or could it be something like backgammon? (I don't know how you would play that electronically, but I don't know how to play it anyway.) No. Chinese checkers? No. Fox & geese? No. This game does not require board. But it requires something else.
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Does it use dice? Sticks? Some form of pieces? Marbles? Stones?

Does it take a strategic mind to win this game? A steady hand? Ability to plan ahead?
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Is it a 'pure abstract strategy' game, in which the playing area and pieces, whatever they may be, don't represent anything specific, and the idea is simply to win the game according to the rules?

Ludo, Reversi, Chess, Mancala, Dots-and-boxes, Blokus, Go, Hare Games, Connect Four and Noughts-and-Crosses are examples of the above
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Jondahr:
Does it use dice? No. Sticks? Yes. Some form of pieces? Yes, for svv. of pieces. Marbles? No. Stones? No.

Does it take a strategic mind to win this game? A steady hand? Most certainly this. Other ones too but to smaller degree. Ability to plan ahead?

Wizardofnz:
Is it a 'pure abstract strategy' game, in which the playing area and pieces, whatever they may be, don't represent anything specific, and the idea is simply to win the game according to the rules? I really don't know how to answer this. Description seems accurate, but I would never think of that game as a "pure abstract strategy"...

Ludo, Reversi, Chess, Mancala, Dots-and-boxes, Blokus, Go, Hare Games, Connect Four and Noughts-and-Crosses are examples of the above None of these, and these are not close to the one I read about.
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Is it Jenga?
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Peter365:
Is it Jenga? No, it's not.
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Mikado?
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Jondahr:
Mikado? No.

HINT: I sometimes watch this game in TV on sports channels, there are also championships and tournaments of this game.
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Pool? Darts?
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If Pool, is it because the objective is for the white ball to knock out all the other colours of the world, finishing with the black one? And the game is won when whitey is the last man standing? I believe the British Empire operated under a very similar principle.
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Is it really a sport, like soccer or fencing, or is it something that sports channels consider a "sport" just to fill time, like pretty much everything we've mentioned so far?
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Doriana:
Pool? Yes, well done. Darts?

Wizardofnz:
If Pool, is it because the objective is for the white ball to knock out all the other colours of the world, finishing with the black one? Yes, exactly so. And the game is won when whitey is the last man standing? Yes. I believe the British Empire operated under a very similar principle.

Gregoryuconn:
Is it really a sport, like soccer or fencing, or is it something that sports channels consider a "sport" just to fill time, like pretty much everything we've mentioned so far? It's pool.

**********SPOILER***************
Recently I read a comment about pool, that it's a racist game, because white ball pushes all other colours into holes, finishing with black one and is finally last man standing.


Thank you for playing, congratulations to Doriana and Wiz for solving it.
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Nice puzzle. Isn't 8 ball sometimes used as a racist term for black people?

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