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Psydkik (Psydkik)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 12:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"'Very light box', you said!" exclaimed Bruce when he returned. "Not a bit of it!"
"But it is," insisted Claire, who had indeed told Bruce just that.
"I had to get help from Freddie to move it," continued Bruce, somewhat irritated by Claire, "it weighs a ton!"

Yet Claire was quite correct. Can you explain why?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 12:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the box light, but the contents extremely heavy?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 12:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Claire mean "light" concerning weight? Concerning brightness?
Is it a specific type of box? And that one was in fact light in comparison to other boxes of that type?
Psydkik (Psydkik)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Balin:

Was the box light No
but the contents extremely heavy? they were indeed heavy

But no, not a case of Clare meaning 'box' as in 'box without contents', though that would work nicely!


Redwine:

Did Claire mean "light" concerning weight? No
Concerning brightness? Not really, though this is closer than 'weight'.

Is it a specific type of box? It is a large wooden box

And that one was in fact light in comparison to other boxes of that type? No, the box was reasonably heavy, being a large box made of solid wood, no different in weight to other generic wooden boxes.
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 2:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bruce understand correctly what Claire said about the box? Did the box belong to Vera Light?
Did the box contain cigarette boxes marked "light"? Did Claire refer to the colour of the box?
Psydkik (Psydkik)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 6:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Redwine:

Did Bruce understand correctly what Claire said about the box? He heard her words correctly, but misinterpreted what she said.

Did the box belong to Vera Light? No

Did the box contain cigarette boxes marked "light"? No

Did Claire refer to the colour of the box? No
Irishelk (Irishelk)
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Posted on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 2:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When she said "light" box, did she mean light in the sense of weight? Brightness? Color? Frivolity? Incompleteness?

Did the box hold lights?
Psydkik (Psydkik)
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Posted on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 2:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Irishelk

When she said "light" box, did she mean light in the sense of
weight? No
Brightness? Not really, though this is closer than 'weight'.
Color? No
Frivolity? No
Incompleteness? No

Did the box hold lights? Yes
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 8:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a 'fairy light box' full of fairy lights?

No, wait, you said he heard her correctly. Hmm.

Relevant the sort of lights that were in the box? Were they christmas lights? Bulbs? Related to 'light' as a verb, such as the cigarette lighter example above?

Did she say, word for word, that it was a 'very light box', or was there a relevant different phrasing? Did she use the word 'light', or a synonym? Did she say there was 'very light box damage'?
Psydkik (Psydkik)
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Posted on Friday, November 29, 2013 - 12:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wizardofnz

Was it a 'fairy light box' full of fairy lights? No

No, wait, you said he heard her correctly. Hmm. Correct

Relevant the sort of lights that were in the box? Yes

Were they
christmas lights? No
Bulbs? No
Related to 'light' as a verb, such as the cigarette lighter example above? No

Did she say, word for word, that it was a 'very light box', or was there a relevant different phrasing? Probable punctuation mistake in what I had transcribed in the puzzle question, but one so minor that most English people wouldn't notice it. But all the words/letters are correct.

Did she use the word 'light', or a synonym? She used the word 'light'
Did she say there was 'very light box damage'? No, nor any other phrase that turns the "box" into an adjective of something else like 'damage'.
Irishelk (Irishelk)
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Posted on Saturday, November 30, 2013 - 1:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they lamps? Any kind of ightbulbs? Christmas lights? Flashlights?

Was she using "very" to indicate one box as opposed to another, as in "the very same box"?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 8:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just to clarify: Did Bruce need help from Freddie simply because the box, with contents, weighed too much for him (a man of typical strength) to pick up and move? Could he have managed more easily with a different technique? Are electromagnets or any other kind of physical devilry relevant?

Did Clare know that the box was heavy? Was she being somewhat facetious when she insisted that the box was very light?

Is there some kind of light called a 'very light' that was contained in the box?
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Did Claire use the expression "light box"? in the sense of "a box of lights"?
Did she say something along the line "That's the very light box I was talking about."?
Psydkik (Psydkik)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 12:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Apologies for a slow reply - been away all weekend

IrishElk:

Are they lamps? No
Any kind of ightbulbs? Lightbulbs? No
Christmas lights? No
Flashlights? No

Was she using "very" to indicate one box as opposed to another, as in "the very same box"? No


Ostap:

Did Claire use the expression "light box"? in the sense of "a box of lights"? Not exactly but along the right lines

Did she say something along the line "That's the very light box I was talking about."? She referred to a "Very light box", yes - the exact phrasing is irrelevant


Wizardofnz:

Just to clarify: Did Bruce need help from Freddie simply because the box, with contents, weighed too much for him (a man of typical strength) to pick up and move? Correct - Bruce and Freddie are two men of typical strength and ability in manual handling, and the box+contents was too heavy for either of them to move on their own

Could he have managed more easily with a different technique? No

Are electromagnets or any other kind of physical devilry relevant? No

Did Clare know that the box was heavy? Yes

Was she being somewhat facetious when she insisted that the box was very light? No

Is there some kind of light called a 'very light' that was contained in the box? Aha!


***************Spoiler***************

Claire owns a shop selling supplies for sailors, and Bruce is one of her employees, whom she has asked to tidy up the storeroom. One of the jobs was moving the "Very-light box" from one part of the storeroom to another. The box is very heavy because it is full of Very lights - a common type of flare gun - which she stocks for sailors to buy so that they have the ability to send off flares should they find themselves in distress at sea.

With proper grammar, it should really be a "Very-light box" rather than a "Very light box", but I doubt most people in the UK would know why, and for those that do, the hyphen would rather have given the game away!

Very lights were so named because they were invented by Edward Very.
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Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 3:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sneaky little puzzle - but a great one!
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Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 4:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

out where I am, associated with the frequently-hazardous North Pacific fishing industry, they are indeed often called just that. I feel like a dope; when I first read the puzzle statement, I ought to have been able to promptly email a $poil
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 8:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I like the very British parlance Bruce uses in this puzzle. Reminds me of one of Edward J. Harshman's, for which the solution lies in the interpretation of 'first floor' being different across the atlantic. The puzzle statement involves a woman asking a foreman to send up a crew to have her apartment remodelled, and mentioning that the last crew got the floor wrong. The foreman responds with cries of 'Dashed impertinence!' and 'sending up some chaps who are frightfully good at arithmetic'

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