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Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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An historical puzzle, so early spoliers, do that courteous thang!

Why was the great playwright Moliere buried two feet deeper than his contemporaries?
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Wiz, check your e-mail, please.
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Is his famous way of dying relevant? Are any of his plays relevant?

Was he literally buried two feer deeper underground? Was he the only one this happened to? Or were thrre others?
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Solo1:

Wiz, check your e-mail, please. Incorrect. His burial was lateral in a literal sense. A literal lateral historical burial.

Jondahr:

Is his famous way of dying relevant? no Are any of his plays relevant? no

Was he literally buried two feer deeper underground? yes, as in 24 inches, or 61 centimetres, closer to the centre of the Earth. Was he the only one this happened to? as far as can be ascertained, yes Or were thrre others? no
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Did he request to be buried deeper? Was he planning to have someone burried on top of him later? His wife?
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Did he request to be buried deeper? no Was he planning to have someone burried on top of him later? no His wife? no
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Was he buried in a graveyard? on private property? relevant?

Back in France, I took a class on Molière, but it looks like we didn't cover his death...
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Was he buried in a graveyard? yes on private property? no relevant? yes

Back in France, I took a class on Molière, but it looks like we didn't cover his death... Look on the bright side - it means you can play this puzzle
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By his contemporaries, do you mean other French people of his time? Other playwrights/actors? Other people buried in the same graveyard?
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By his contemporaries, do you mean other French people of his time? yes Other playwrights/actors? and yes Other people buried in the same graveyard? and also yes
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Was he buried eight feet below ground?
Balin (Balin)
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One other thought - was another person buried on top of him, thereby necessitating his body be buried lower?
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Was he buried eight feet below ground? no

One other thought - was another person buried on top of him, thereby necessitating his body be buried lower? no
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Correction/Clarification: There is a relevant aspect to his death that led to this situation.
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Relevant how old he was when he died? Relevant where he died? Time of year relevant? Time of day?
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Relevant how old he was when he died? not in and of itself, but his age made this aspect of his death more likely Relevant where he died? Time of year relevant? Time of day? no to rest
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Did he die suddenly? Was he expected to die?
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Did he die suddenly? yes! Was he expected to die? no
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Was there a plot available to him? A family plot? Was he buried somewhere temporarily with the intention of moving him later?

Is the risk of grave robbing a factor?
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Did his contemporaries recognize his cause of death? Were they afraid of epidemics? Were they afraid of his resurrection? Were they afraid that he was a vampire?
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Is the fact that he was an actor (as well as a playwright) relevant?
Social standing of actors relevant?
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I've visited his tomb at Père Lachaise; seemed that he's actually interred not far below ground, if that. Oscar Wilde is also buried there, in the vingtième arrondissement.
Is his manner of death relevant [notoriously died nearly onstage]? That he was an actor, who were considered to be other than savory, and unsuited for sacred ground?
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Peter365:

Was there a plot available to him? There wasn't a pre-planned one, but they were able to accommodate him without having to re-arrange anything A family plot? no Was he buried somewhere temporarily with the intention of moving him later? no

Is the risk of grave robbing a factor? no

Redwine:

Did his contemporaries recognize his cause of death? Yes, it was fairly common Were they afraid of epidemics? irrel Were they afraid of his resurrection? no Were they afraid that he was a vampire? no

Did you like the colour of your name? I did it by going font color=sauvignon

Solo1:

Is the fact that he was an actor (as well as a playwright) relevant? yes!
Social standing of actors relevant? very!

Yojimbo:

I've visited his tomb at Père Lachaise; seemed that he's actually interred not far below ground, if that. Oscar Wilde is also buried there, in the vingtième arrondissement. Well, then, they must have moved him, or something! It couldn't possibly be that I fell victim to the same urban legend that the author of the book I read (whose qualifications and work experience suggest she really, really should have known better) did. I should have counted on the worldliness of LTPFers; or, at the very least, checked my sources before posting this puzzle.

Is his manner of death relevant [notoriously died nearly onstage]? no That he was an actor, who were considered to be other than savory, and unsuited for sacred ground? Whoa! Yes, this is all terribly relevant
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Wow, got another new wonderful wine-like colour :-) Thanks WiZ, I like it very much.
Sorry I cannot think about any clever question to this puzzle right now, but I asked some in your second one, about mysterious machine and contradictory signs.
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Could he have been buried in the same location on a standard depth?
Did they believe that sacred ground is sacred only to certain depth?
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Could he have been buried in the same location on a standard depth? It probably wouldn't have been allowed
Did they believe that sacred ground is sacred only to certain depth? yes.

***** SPOILER *****

During Moliere's life, acting was considered a profession about as respectable and morally commendable as prostitution. As such, actors were deemed unworthy to be buried in sacred ground. It was typical, therefore, for a dying actor to renounce his profession on his deathbed, in order to be afforded a such a burial. As Moliere died suddenly, he did not have this opportunity, so a patron approached church authorities and asked them the depth to which sacred ground extended. He was told 14 feet. Moliere was buried 16 feet underground.


Turns out this is an urban legend. I blame the oxford doctor who published the book that this appeared in. Well done all of you; good contributions from everyone ITT.

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