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Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 7:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When I read about Alex's hat, for a moment I had an entirely false assumption about her
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Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Alex HAF? Do you know her? Have you ever met her? Will you ever? Will any other LTPF-members know who she is?

Is it a literal hat, something to wear on your head? Is it really hers? Is it an unusual type of hat?

Would others have been likely to make the same FA as you?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 8:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Alex H yes A irrel, assume yes F yes? Do you know her? No Have you ever met her? No Will you ever? No Will any other LTPF-members know who she is? No

Is it a literal hat, something to wear on your head? Yes Is it really hers? Yes Is it an unusual type of hat? No

Would others have been likely to make the same FA as you? Some others
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 8:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the type of hat relevant? Did you make a FA about her class or social status? Her profession? Her hobbies or interests?

Did you falsely assume she had a head? Was she physically normal and typically capable of wearing a hat?

Did you read any other information about Alex that contributed to your FA? Anything else about her attire?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 10:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the type of hat relevant? No Did you make a FA about her class No or social status Noish? Her profession? No Her hobbies or interests? No

Did you falsely assume she had a head? Assume that she does, in fact, have a head, and that I correctly assumed this Was she physically normal and typically capable of wearing a hat? Yes

Did you read any other information about Alex that contributed to your FA? Noish Anything else about her attire? No
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2013 - 9:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you read it in a book? In a newspaper? In the internet?
Is Alex a real person? Is the story set in modern times? Did Alex wear the relevant hat? Is only one hat relevant?

Did your assumption concern Alex's occupation? Her hobbies? Her family status?

And a guess: were you reading a crime story where some hat stuff was found at the crime scene, so you assumed that hat owner Alex was the murderer?

I like this puzzle and I love hats :-)
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2013 - 10:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you read it in a book? This, but could have been the other two In a newspaper? In the internet?
Is Alex a real person? No Is the story set in modern times? Irrel Did Alex wear the relevant hat? Irrel Is only one hat relevant? Yes

Did your assumption concern Alex's occupation? Her hobbies? Her family status? No to all

And a guess: were you reading a crime story where some hat stuff was found at the crime scene, so you assumed that hat owner Alex was the murderer? No

I like this puzzle and I love hats :-) Good to hear!
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2013 - 6:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was your false assumption based on the mere fact of Alex having a hat? On the description of how the hat looked? On the description of what was the hat used to?
Are more people relevant to the puzzle?
Did you assume that Alex was male? not a human?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2013 - 8:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was your false assumption based on the mere fact of Alex having a hat? Noish On the description of how the hat looked? No On the description of what was the hat used to? No
Are more people relevant to the puzzle? No
Did you assume that Alex was male? Yes! not a human? No
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Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2013 - 11:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Alex perform a relevant action with her hat (such as tipping it)? If Alex's hat had remained in a nondescript hatbox for all its life, would you have made the same assumption? While the type of hat is irrelevant, is there any physical characteristic of the hat that gave rise to the false assumption? Assuming an appropriate time period, could it have equally been a stovepipe hat, a chef's tuque, and a rainbow-coloured baseball cap with a propellor on top of it?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2013 - 9:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Alex perform a relevant action with her hat (such as tipping it)? No If Alex's hat had remained in a nondescript hatbox for all its life, would you have made the same assumption? Yes, provided that a relevant criteria was met While the type of hat is irrelevant, is there any physical characteristic of the hat that gave rise to the false assumption? No Assuming an appropriate time period, could it have equally been a stovepipe hat, a chef's tuque, and a rainbow-coloured baseball cap with a propellor on top of it? This is actually slightly hard to answer, but yes, it could have been anything under the general heading of 'hat'.
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2013 - 12:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the hat described/referred to with some relevant wording? Did more knowledge about Alex contribute to your assumption, besides owning the hat?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2013 - 3:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the hat described/referred to with some relevant wording? Yes Did more knowledge about Alex contribute to your assumption, besides owning the hat? No
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Posted on Friday, December 06, 2013 - 8:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Title Relevant? Ciscoe/gardening relevant?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Friday, December 06, 2013 - 11:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Title Relevant? In a somewhat tangential way Ciscoe/gardening relevant? No (not sure what Ciscoe refers to but as far as I know it is not relevant)
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Monday, December 09, 2013 - 10:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant how Alex got her hat? Is the size of the hat relevant? Is it relevant how Alex looked?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Monday, December 09, 2013 - 11:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant how Alex got her hat? Is the size of the hat relevant? Is it relevant how Alex looked? No to all
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Monday, December 09, 2013 - 11:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the hat mentioned by one of the characters in the book? If yes, did that character also make the assumption that Alex was a man?
Is it relevant in what circumstances was the hat mentioned?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Monday, December 09, 2013 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the hat mentioned by one of the characters in the book? No If yes, did that character also make the assumption that Alex was a man? No
Is it relevant in what circumstances was the hat mentioned? Only that it was Alex's hat
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Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 - 3:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Given the Oh La La title was your assumption about sex? Alex's morals?

Any relevant expressions with hat in it? Eat your hat? Keep it under your hat? Throw your hat into the ring?

I wonder if there's an LTPF list of sayings with the word hat in them.
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 11:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Alex refer to the hat herself?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 4:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Given the Oh La La title was your assumption about sex? Alex's morals? No to both

Any relevant expressions with hat in it? No Eat your hat? Keep it under your hat? Throw your hat into the ring?

I wonder if there's an LTPF list of sayings with the word hat in them. Afraid the LTPFLOSWTWHIT won't help you here ;-)

Did Alex refer to the hat herself? No
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 4:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In fact - we've already established that my FA was thinking Alex was a man, so it was about sex in one respect though not in the 'ooh la la' respect...
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 9:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the word "hat" used in the relevant fragment of a book?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 - 10:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the word "hat" used in the relevant fragment of a book? Yes(ish)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 1:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ooh la la - any French connections? Did she remove her hat, which is more common for a man to do when entering some buildings?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 5:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ooh la la - any French connections? Yes indeed Did she remove her hat, which is more common for a man to do when entering some buildings? No
Lynne (Lynne)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 5:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you read the word chapeau? Because it's also used in ecclesiastical heirarchy did you assume she was a man as the church is predominantly male?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 2:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you read the word chapeau? Yes Because it's also used in ecclesiastical heirarchy did you assume she was a man as the church is predominantly male? No
Lynne (Lynne)
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Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 3:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you subconsciously pick up on the word chap?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Was the whole book in French? Was the sentence with "chapeau" correct?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 5:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you subconsciously pick up on the word chap? No

Was the whole book in French? Yes, and this is relevant Was the sentence with "chapeau" correct? Yes

Note - this puzzle will now probably be easier to solve if you know certain basic facts about French. However, it shouldn't be necessary, and there are probably many other languages it could have been.
Lynne (Lynne)
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Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 6:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it le chapeau or la chapeau? Or son chapeau? Again, did 'son' seem masculine to you?
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Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 6:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it le chapeau or la chapeau? Or son chapeau? Again, did 'son' seem masculine to you? This

*****SPOILER*****
In French, the words for 'his' and 'her' do not depend on the gender of the person, but on the gender of the possessed object. Since the word for hat is masculine, when I read a sentence about Alex that mentioned 'son chapeau' (her hat), I temporarily mistranslated it in my head as 'his hat' and so briefly envisaged Alex as male.

Well done Lynne and everyone else

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