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Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It was revealed that a serial murderer had offered his second victim the body of his first victim, which his second victim had accepted and kept. Why should that be so?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 - 8:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the killer and both victims human? By body do your mean their corpse?

Did the second victim realise that he was accepting the body of the first victim? Was the body disguised or unrecognisable in some way?

Is this a true story? Fiction?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the killer and both victims human? yes By body do your mean their corpse? yes

Did the second victim realise that he was accepting the body of the first victim? no, at least not initially Was the body disguised or unrecognisable in some way? yes

Is this a true story? potentially, I haven't checked Fiction? FMOI
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Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 - 10:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'll call the first victim Andrew, and the second victim Bob.

Before deciding to kill his victims, did the murderer know Andrew? Bob? Did Andrew and Bob, whilst alive, at any time know each other? Relevant?

Was it somehow important to the method by which the murderer killed Bob, that he accept and keep Andrew's body? To frame Bob for Andrew's death?

Is it relevant how/when Bob realised the truth about his possession of Andrew's body? Did the discovery directly? indirectly? lead to Bob's death?

Did the murderer kill more victims after Bob? If so, might he offer Bob's body to his third victim, for the same reason?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 - 10:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'll call the first victim Andrew, and the second victim Bob. You can call them whatever you like; they can't hear you.

Before deciding to kill his victims, did the murderer know Andrew? yes Bob? yes Did Andrew and Bob, whilst alive, at any time know each other? no Relevant? this scenario is far more likely if they were strangers

Was it somehow important to the method by which the murderer killed Bob, that he accept and keep Andrew's body? yes To frame Bob for Andrew's death? no

Is it relevant how/when Bob realised the truth about his possession of Andrew's body? no - we can assume for this puzzle's sake that this realisation never occurred, or perhaps occurred moments before the second victim's inevitable demise Did the discovery directly?indirectly? lead to Bob's death? no to either

Did the murderer kill more victims after Bob? irrelevant, but potentially If so, might he offer Bob's body to his third victim, for the same reason? Yes
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 - 10:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bob realise that what he was receiving was a body at all? Was the body in one piece? Was it ashes? Was it hidden inside something? Disguised as something other than a body? Is the job of anyone in the puzzle relevant?

Is it relevant what method the killer used to kill his victims? Was it the same method both times? Shooting? Stabbing? Strangulation? Poison?

Did the killer give a body to Andrew before killing him?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 - 10:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bob realise that what he was receiving was a body at all? no, good question Was the body in one piece? yope Was it ashes? yesish Was it hidden inside something? noish Disguised as something other than a body? I wouldn't say 'disguised' Is the job of anyone in the puzzle relevant? Other than 'serial killer', no

Is it relevant what method the killer used to kill his victims? no Was it the same method both times? Shooting? Stabbing? Strangulation? Poison? irrel

Did the killer give a body to Andrew before killing him? No
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 - 10:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bob think that the body was a specific other object? An artwork? A model? Was the body still body-sized when he received it? Were the ashes contained within something relevant? Did Bob think they were the ashes of something else? Did he realise he was receiving ashes at all?

Is it relevant how much time passed between the murder of Andrew and the giving of the body to Bob? Between Bob receiving the body and being murdered? Did Bob know that it was the killer who offered him the body (although he didn;t know that it WAS a body?)
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bob think that the body was a specific other object? yes An artwork? no A model? no Was the body still body-sized when he received it? no! Were the ashes contained within something relevant? yope Did Bob think they were the ashes of something else? no Did he realise he was receiving ashes at all? no

Is it relevant how much time passed between the murder of Andrew and the giving of the body to Bob? not really - but it wouldn't have been a short time Between Bob receiving the body and being murdered? no Did Bob know that it was the killer who offered him the body (although he didn;t know that it WAS a body?) no
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 9:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the killer offer Bob Andrew's corpse in person? Did he send it by post? Did Bob expect being offered a specific other object? Did the killer offer Bob the whole Andrew's body?
Did the killer prepare the body in the relevant way before offering it to Bob?
Could Bob not accept the body, if he wanted to?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 12:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the body of Andrew(in whatever form he ended up) in a coffin type container? Did Bob think it was his loved one? Was the killer an undertaker?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 7:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Redwine:

Did the killer offer Bob Andrew's corpse in person? yes Did he send it by post? no Did Bob expect being offered a specific other object? no Did the killer offer Bob the whole Andrew's body? yope
Did the killer prepare the body in the relevant way before offering it to Bob? The killer didn't, but explore this
Could Bob not accept the body, if he wanted to? yes

Lynne

Was the body of Andrew(in whatever form he ended up) in a coffin type container? no Did Bob think it was his loved one? no Was the killer an undertaker? no
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 8:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did someone else prepare the body before it was offered to Bob? If yes, did the killer ask that person to do so? Was the killer aware the body was modified? Was the killer aware that what he/she offered to Bob was Andrew's body?
Was the offered corpse physical (as opposed to photo, painting, sculpture etc. of the body)?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 9:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did someone else prepare the body before it was offered to Bob? yes! If yes, did the killer ask that person to do so? yes Was the killer aware the body was modified? at what time? Was the killer aware that what he/she offered to Bob was Andrew's body? yes
Was the offered corpse physical (as opposed to photo, painting, sculpture etc. of the body)? yes
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 11:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I imagined a murderer who kills people by transplanting them faulty organs from his previous victims... Imagination is a weird thing...

Was the Andrew's body burned? buried?
Was the modification typical (or at least not unusual) to be done to bodies?
Is it relevant where the body was offered to Bob?
Was Andrew adult when he was killed? Was Bob adult when he was killed? Was the murderer a woman?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 11:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I imagined a murderer who kills people by transplanting them faulty organs from his previous victims... Imagination is a weird thing... That's a beautifully twisted scenario. I like the way you think.

Was the Andrew's body burned? yes buried? no
Was the modification typical (or at least not unusual) to be done to bodies? it was unusual, but not singular
Is it relevant where the body was offered to Bob? no
Was Andrew adult when he was killed? yes Was Bob adult when he was killed? yes Was the murderer a woman? Yes!
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 8:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the murderer murder her husbands? If not, were murderer and her victims related?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 8:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the murderer murder her husbands? yes! If not, were murderer and her victims related? see above
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 11:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she make wedding rings for her new husbands with the ashes of her previous husbands?
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 1:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Following from that, I've heard you can make ashes into diamonds, did she do that?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 8:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Redwine:

Did she make wedding rings for her new husbands with the ashes of her previous husbands? Ah, you're too good. Yes, she did.

Enjay:

Following from that, I've heard you can make ashes into diamonds, did she do that? She did indeed.

***** SPOILER *****

Our murderess had killed Andrew, her first husband, under the pretense of his death being accidental. She was not convicted. She had him cremated, and his ashes made into a diamond. She proposed to Bob with a diamond ring made from Andrew's ashes. Suspicions grew after Bob's death, and she was later convicted of murder.


Well done, Redwine, Enjay et al. Another 20-post wonder.
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One might see a bit of confusion regarding gender pronouns in the original statement. I had intended initially for a male murderer to have killed two wives, but when the victims became Andrew and Bob, I decided just to flip the gender pronouns. I apologise for any inconvenience.

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