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Alexanderhamilton (Alexanderhamilton)
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Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 6:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why did Louis think his fork was a girl?
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Was he stupid?
Blind?
Had he ever seen a fork before?
Had he ever seen a girl before?
Is this a play on Words?
Are we talking about a run-of-the-mill fork, intended for eating food from a plate?
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Was he stupid? No
Blind? No
Had he ever seen a fork before? Yes
Had he ever seen a girl before? Yes
Is this a play on Words? No
Are we talking about a run-of-the-mill fork, intended for eating food from a plate? Yes
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Did he think the fork was a female human?
Or a female fork?
Did the fork want to go out and shop a lot?
Is it a steel fork?
Is the material relevant at all?
Number of prongs relevant?
General shape relevant?
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Is this a joke, along the lines of "Is a remote control male or female? and why?" Is that what we are looking for?
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Did he think the fork was a female human? No
Or a female fork? Yes
Did the fork want to go out and shop a lot? No
Is it a steel fork? Irrelevant
Is the material relevant at all? No
Number of prongs relevant? No
General shape relevant? No

Is this a joke, along the lines of "Is a remote control male or female? and why?" Is that what we are looking for? It's not a joke. But OTRT
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Does he think all forks are female?
Is there a special feature about his fork that makes him think that particular fork is female?
Does he consider any forks to be male?
Ungendered?
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Foreign language relevant? Is the word for "fork" use the female grammar in the language Louis speaks?
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Does he think a certain type of fork is only for females? 'Real men don't use salad forks.'?
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Does he think all forks are female? No, just one specific fork
Is there a special feature about his fork that makes him think that particular fork is female? No
Does he consider any forks to be male? No
Ungendered? Yes, all the other forks.

Foreign language relevant? Is the word for "fork" use the female grammar in the language Louis speaks? Yes! And very relevant.

Does he think a certain type of fork is only for females? 'Real men don't use salad forks.'? No
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Has someone been talking about the fork as "she" in the foreign language?
Would French work (Voila, la fourchette, elle est très chère", "Look at the fork, she is very expensive")?
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Has someone been talking about the fork as "she" in the foreign language? No
Would French work (Voila, la fourchette, elle est très chère", "Look at the fork, she is very expensive")? Louis is indeed French
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Is something that was said or written about the fork relevant?
Is some other person relevant?
"Female fork" - referring to the fork itself?
Or to its perceived intended use - only for girls/women?
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Is something that was said or written about the fork relevant? Yes
Is some other person relevant? Yes
"Female fork" - referring to the fork itself? Yes
Or to its perceived intended use - only for girls/women? No
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Was something said about the fork?
Written?
In French?
English?
Is a name relevant?
A pronoun?
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Was something said about the fork? Yes
Written? This would work also
In French? Yes
English? No
Is a name relevant? No
A pronoun? No
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If Louis have had other fork than he actually had, would he also have thought his fork was a girl?
Are possessive adjectives in French relevant?
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If Louis have had other fork than he actually had, would he also have thought his fork was a girl? yes
Are possessive adjectives in French relevant? No
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Is the 'ette' suffix in 'fourchette' relevant? That's how you identify female Smurfs, apres tout...
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Is the 'ette' suffix in 'fourchette' relevant? That's how you identify female Smurfs, apres tout... It's relevant that the word for fork is feminine. I think the 'ette' is part of that.
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What was said about the fork - a simple statement of fact?
A question?
Was sex or gender mentioned at all in what was said?
Was the fork personified in any way?
Did Louis really think his fork was female?
Or just in jest?
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What was said about the fork - a simple statement of fact? No
A question? No
Was sex or gender mentioned at all in what was said? No
Was the fork personified in any way? Yes
Did Louis really think his fork was female? No
Or just in jest? Well he wasn't joking, but he was wasn't really approaching it seriously either
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What was said - a single sentence?
An incomplete sentence?
An answer to a question?
Is it necessary to establish more about the situation in which it was said?
Was the word "fork" (i.e. "fourchette") mentioned?
The word "elle"?
The word "la" (as determinate article for the fork)?
The work "une" (as indeterminate article for the fork)?
Any of this relevant?
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What was said - a single sentence? Yes
An incomplete sentence? No
An answer to a question? No
Is it necessary to establish more about the situation in which it was said? Very much yes
Was the word "fork" (i.e. "fourchette") mentioned? No
The word "elle"?
The word "la" (as determinate article for the fork)?
The work "une" (as indeterminate article for the fork)?
Any of this relevant? I'm not sure of the exact phraseology (I don't speak French). I'm fairly certain they used 'elle', but the only relevant part is that the word for fork wasn't used.
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Relevant where the fork was situated?
Was the fork pointed to?
Was it visible to the speaker (Corup?) when the sentence was uttered? Was it visible to Louis?
Is the fork on a table?
Is the scene a restaurant?
A private home?
Outdoors?
A fork factory?
I find it difficult to see how a complete sentence can be neither a question nor a statement of fact.
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Relevant where the fork was situated? No
Was the fork pointed to? No
Was it visible to the speaker (Corup?)Yes (and why not) when the sentence was uttered? Yes Was it visible to Louis? Yes
Is the fork on a table? Yes
Is the scene a restaurant? No
A private home? No
Outdoors? No
A fork factory? No
I find it difficult to see how a complete sentence can be neither a question nor a statement of fact. Please think of another type of sentence.
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An exclamation?
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A request or order?
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A request or order? That's the one
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Was the command for Lous to do something to/with the fork?
Something which - in another context - also would be natural to do to/with a human?
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Was the command for Lous to do something to/with the fork? Yes, 'with' is probably closest
Something which - in another context - also would be natural to do to/with a human? Noish
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Is it really relevant what the request was all about? I.e. what to do with the fork?
Is it something that one usually does with a fork?
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Is it really relevant what the request was all about? I.e. what to do with the fork? Yes
Is it something that one usually does with a fork? No
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Was the request to "pick up" the fork?
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Was the request to "pick up" the fork? That was part of it.
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Was there any ambiguity as to what the "elle" pronoun referred to?
Is a girl or woman (apart from the fork) relevant?
Was the request about piercing or stabbing something/someone with the fork?
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Was there any ambiguity as to what the "elle" pronoun referred to? Again, not positive that it was 'elle', but the request referred to the fork unambiguously
Is a girl or woman (apart from the fork) relevant? There is a relevant HAF, not relevant that she's female. Could work just as easily with a man.
Was the request about piercing or stabbing something/someone with the fork? No
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HINT: The other relevant person is an academic.
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Is the other relevant person a teacher (or professor) in a class that Louis is taking?
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Is the other relevant person a teacher (or professor) in a class that Louis is taking? No (although she is a professor)
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Recap and slight hint: An academic requests that Louis do something with a fork. It is very relevant that Louis speaks French, and that the French word for fork is feminine. In the course of fulfilling the request, Louis thinks his fork is a girl.

Your HINT is that this whole thing is an experiment put on by the academic, and she is a professor of linguistics.
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Is Louis asked what gender he thinks his fork is? Is this an experiment to see if people who speak languages with grammatical gender actually are explicitly aware of the association between certain objects and men or women, as opposed to just blindly following a rule without considering the meaning behind it?
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Is Louis asked what gender he thinks his fork is? Never explicitly Is this an experiment to see if people who speak languages with grammatical gender actually are explicitly aware of the association between certain objects and men or women, as opposed to just blindly following a rule without considering the meaning behind it? That's basically it. It was seeing whether people who speak languages with gendered nouns view objects in light of its 'gender'
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I think enough time has passed, and we've come close enough that I can just post a

**********SPOILER************
A professor of linguistics once did an experiment where she handed a fork to a volunteer and asked them to pretend the fork was alive, and have it answer a few questions. The actual questions were irrelevant, HOW they answered was not.

She conducted the experiment in France and Spain. In France, the people who answered were more likely to do so in a high-pitched, girly voice. The Spanish answered in a gruff, low voice. Her hypothesis was that on an unconscious level, gendered nouns actually affected how people think of objects. "La fourchette" is feminine, while "el tenedor" is masculine.

So why did Louis think his fork was a girl? Because he's French, basically.

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