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Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Happy New Year!

One day, my neighbour invited me around for a cup of tea. After we had drained our cups, he revealed the ulterior motive to this invitation.

He presented me with a series of small pieces of paper, and asked me to write two words on each. I was happy to oblige, and we parted amicably.

What was the purpose of this exercise?
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First things first (which is appropriate at the first of the year): 2 words in English? Or your mutual language, if not English?
Small pieces of paper - the size of business cards? were they business cards? sheet of typing paper? something in between? or larger? or smaller?
Would you have done this without the 'bribe' of a cup of tea? Did you do something besides writing on pieces of paper?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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First things first (which is appropriate at the first of the year): 2 words in English? Yes. One is arguably a loanword. Or your mutual language, if not English? We speak English in this here country!
Small pieces of paper - the size of business cards? approximately were they business cards? no sheet of typing paper? no something in between? or larger? or smaller? see above
Would you have done this without the 'bribe' of a cup of tea? yes Did you do something besides writing on pieces of paper? Drank tea.
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Relevant how many pieces of paper there were? Was anything written/printed on them already?
Did you write the same two words on each piece of paper? Did your neighbour tell you what words to write down?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Relevant how many pieces of paper there were? No. Roll two dice and let's say that was the number Was anything written/printed on them already? yes
Did you write the same two words on each piece of paper? no Did your neighbour tell you what words to write down? yes
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Did he want to judge your handwriting? test your ability to spell?

Were the words ambiguous due to the existence of homophones (e.g. he asked you to write "sale" and wanted to see which of "sale" or "sail" you would think of first)?

Is it relevant that there were two words per piece of paper? Did the words on each piece of paper form a phrase? Were they otherwise related, in a closer way than the words on different pieces of paper?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Did he want to judge your handwriting? test your ability to spell? I should hope not.

Were the words ambiguous due to the existence of homophones (e.g. he asked you to write "sale" and wanted to see which of "sale" or "sail" you would think of first)? no

Is it relevant that there were two words per piece of paper? Yes, inasmuch as they were the only two words that were needed Did the words on each piece of paper form a phrase? yesish Were they otherwise related, in a closer way than the words on different pieces of paper? yes
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Did you write totally different words on each piece of paper? Eg if there were 20 papers, you would have written 40 different words? Did any of the papers have the same two words on as another?

Were the words names?

Did he tell you which pair of words to write on each piece of paper? Were you able to work out which words to write? Did you have a choice of which words to write?

Did you keep the papers afterwards? Did he? Were they given to someone else? Read by a relevant third party?

Did the neighbour get other people to do the same thing?

Is a game involved?
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Were the both of the two words written on the same side of the paper? Or was only one of them written on the same side of the paper? Or were both written on different sides of the paper?
Was this the same for all the pieces of paper?
The prior writing on the paper - was it printed? Handwritten?
Did the words that you wrote complete any sentences?
Could he have written the words himself?
Are any other persons involved?
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Does this have anything to do with the date? e.g. "twenty" and "fourteen" are words, though they can also be written as figures.
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Enjay:

Did you write totally different words on each piece of paper? no Eg if there were 20 papers, you would have written 40 different words? no Did any of the papers have the same two words on as another? yes (although a similar scenario could exist in which they didn't)

Were the words names? yes!

Did he tell you which pair of words to write on each piece of paper? yes Were you able to work out which words to write? no Did you have a choice of which words to write? no

Did you keep the papers afterwards? no Did he? yes Were they given to someone else? yes Read by a relevant third party? yes

Did the neighbour get other people to do the same thing? no, although he could have gotten someone else to do the task instead of me

Is a game involved? no

Abc:

Hei, Mr. Apeland

Were the both of the two words written on the same side of the paper? yes Or was only one of them written on the same side of the paper? no Or were both written on different sides of the paper? no
Was this the same for all the pieces of paper? yes
The prior writing on the paper - was it printed? yes Handwritten? no
Did the words that you wrote complete any sentences? yes
Could he have written the words himself? Not without incurring problems
Are any other persons involved? yes

Solo1:

Does this have anything to do with the date? e.g. "twenty" and "fourteen" are words, though they can also be written as figures. no
Abc (Abc)
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Was it important that the handwriting was not recognised by some specific party?
Did you get to choose/decide anything about the process?
Or were you doing every aspect of the job according to 100% specific instructions?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Was it important that the handwriting was not recognised by some specific party? yes!
Did you get to choose/decide anything about the process? no
Or were you doing every aspect of the job according to 100% specific instructions? yes
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The names - did they specify who would be filling different roles or doing specific jobs?
Were people to be paired up with each other?
Was this to do with some party game or the like?
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Were all the two-word sequences in the format first name last name? Did the names refer to real people? If so, people that you knew? That the neighbour knew? That knew each other? Fictional characters? Non-existent people?

Would the names later be picked out of a hat or similar? Were the names some kind of identification?
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Were the pieces of paper invitations? Tickets?
Was there a provided space inside the printed text for writing name and surname?
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Were they your own first and second name? Or your neighbour's first and second name in your handwriting?
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Abc:

The names - did they specify who would be filling different roles noish or doing specific jobs? noish
Were people to be paired up with each other? no
Was this to do with some party game or the like? no

Enjay:

Were all the two-word sequences in the format first name last name? no Did the names refer to real people? yope! If so, people that you knew? yope That the neighbour knew? yes That knew each other? yes Fictional characters? yope Non-existent people? yope

Would the names later be picked out of a hat or similar? no Were the names some kind of identification? yes

Redwine:

Were the pieces of paper invitations? no Tickets? no
Was there a provided space inside the printed text for writing name yes and surname? presumably, although it wasn't used in this case

Lynne:

Were they your own first and second name? no Or your neighbour's first and second name in your handwriting? no
Abc (Abc)
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Was each pair of names one real and one fictional person?
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Was each pair of names one real and one fictional person? yes!
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Was your neighbour the one deciding which r(eal) p(erson) went with each fp?
Did the fp's have some concept in common (such as all being Warner Brother's cartoon characters, all being from a specific author's universe etc.)?
Were the cards going to be given to their respective rp's?
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Was your neighbour the one deciding which r(eal) p(erson) went with each fp? FA lurking, although he was in charge of assigning people to something
Did the fp's have some concept in common (such as all being Warner Brother's cartoon characters, all being from a specific author's universe etc.)? fa
Were the cards going to be given to their respective rp's? yes
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Each card contains the name of a rp, right?
Each card contains the name of a fp, right?
Does the same rp name occur on more than one card?
Does the same fp name occur on more than one card?
Is the approximate ratio (number of different fp names)/(number of cards) exceed 0.5?
Same for rp
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Each card contains the name of a rp, right? right
Each card contains the name of a fp, right? right
Does the same rp name occur on more than one card?
yes Does the same fp name occur on more than one card? yes
Is the approximate ratio (number of different fp names)/(number of cards) exceed 0.5? no
Same for rp yes

For the purpose of this exercise, I rolled an 8.
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Was he planning actors for parts in a play?
Was this for a party game?
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Was he planning actors for parts in a play? no
Was this for a party game? no
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Was the neighbour a teacher planning a class activity?
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Was the neighbour a teacher planning a class activity? no
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Were all the people expecting to receive a card with their name and the name of a fictional person? Did the neighbour give it to them in person? Did they have to do something in relation to the fictional person on their card? Did the people know before receiving the card what fictional person would be on it?

Do the fictional people have something in common? Are they all of the same gender as the real people they are twinned with? Are they book characters? Film characters? Invented by your neighbour?

Is there some logic to how your neighbour decides what name gets paired with what?

Does every real name appear on the same number of cards? Does every fictional name? If two cards have the same real name on them, will they have the same fictional name? If two cards have the same real name, will they be given to the same person? To different people with the same real name?

Was more than one fictional name used? Were there the same number of real names used as fictional ones?
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Were all the people expecting to receive a card with their name and the name of a fictional person? yes Did the neighbour give it to them in person? yope Did they have to do something in relation to the fictional person on their card? no Did the people know before receiving the card what fictional person would be on it? yes

Do the fictional people have something in common? fa Are they all of the same gender as the real people they are twinned with? no Are they book characters? they have appeared in books Film characters? they have appeared in films Invented by your neighbour? no

Is there some logic to how your neighbour decides what name gets paired with what? yes/fa

Does every real name appear on the same number of cards? no, although a similar situation could occur in which they did Does every fictional name? yes If two cards have the same real name on them, will they have the same fictional name? yes If two cards have the same real name, will they be given to the same person? yes To different people with the same real name? no

Was more than one fictional name used? No! Hooray, FA busted Were there the same number of real names used as fictional ones? no
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Was the fictional name one of a cartoon character or a 'real' person?

Was it important that you wrote the names rather than your neighbour?

I see that the neighbour told you what to write - did you have any decision to make in this exercise?

Was your neighbour blind? Or somehow unable to physically write the names?
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Was the fictional name one of a cartoon character or a 'real' person? Both, really

Was it important that you wrote the names rather than your neighbour? yes!

I see that the neighbour told you what to write - did you have any decision to make in this exercise? Only whether or not to agree to it. I had no problem with it. There are those in this world who might object.

Was your neighbour blind? no Or somehow unable to physically write the names? no
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So everybody involved in this got some number of cards with their name on it and the name of a fictional character, correct?

Were the cards delivered by post?

Were one or both of the names written as autographs? Was your writing supposed to represent that of the fictional character? Had the people paid to receive these cards?
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So everybody involved in this got some number of cards with their name on it and the name of a fictional character, correct? yes

Were the cards delivered by post? no

Were one or both of the names written as autographs? no Was your writing supposed to represent that of the fictional character? yes! Had the people paid to receive these cards? one (or two) had, the remainder had not
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Did the recipients of the cards believe that they'd been written by the fictional character? Or was it all a bit of fun all round? Are these cards likely to end up on eBay?
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Did the recipients of the cards believe that they'd been written by the fictional character? yes Or was it all a bit of fun all round? no Are these cards likely to end up on eBay? no
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Were the recipients fans of the fictional character? Were the recipients adults or children?
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Were the recipients fans of the fictional character? the relevant recipients were, yes Were the recipients adults or children? the relevant recipients were children
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Was the fictional character Santa?
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Was the fictional character Santa? yes!
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Was your neighbour labelling gifts for children? His own, or a club's worth of kids?
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Was your neighbour labelling gifts for children? yes His own yes, or a club's worth of kids? no

Close enough for a ***** SPOILER *****

I was labelling gifts from 'Santa' to my neighbour's young children (and him, and his wife). His children were happy to believe in Santa, but old and perceptive enough to recognise handwriting or disguised handwriting.

The labels already had 'To' and 'From' printed on them; I just filled in the details.


Well done to all, especially Lynne and Enjay.
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Yay! Good one, Wiz. I recognised my Mum's writing one year, even though it was block capitals.
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Now that I look back on it, I remember recognising that Santa's gifts were written with mum's handwriting.

I had always assumed that the two of them were in collusion over the presents; he would drop them off and she would label them accordingly. She was able to give him my list of demands, after all...

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