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Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 - 7:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because Will denied being shot at, Ed survived.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 - 8:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Will shot at? Was it a wartime? Espionage relevant?
Will - human adult male?
Ed - human adult male?
Is either Will or Ed a soldier? If not, are their occupations relevant?
Did Ed survive immediately after Will denied being shot at? Minutes later? Days later? Months later? Years later?
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Was Will shot at? Yes(ish)
Was it a wartime? No
Espionage relevant? Yes
Will - human adult male? Yes
Ed - human adult male? Yes
Is either Will or Ed a soldier? Yes
If not, are their occupations relevant? Will's, yes, Ed's no
Did Ed survive immediately after Will denied being shot at? Minutes later? Days later? Months later? Years later? I'd say days later (I take it you mean when Ed would have died had Will not denied being shot at)
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Did Will know Ed? Was his denial deliberately made in order to save Ed? Or was it incidental?
Was Ed the one who supposedly shot at Will? Did denying it save Ed from being hanged?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 - 11:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have a potential $p0il3r, I found no email in your profile, how can I check it with you?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 - 12:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Will know Ed? No
Was his denial deliberately made in order to save Ed? Yope
Or was it incidental? Yope
Was Ed the one who supposedly shot at Will? No
Did denying it save Ed from being hanged? No

Galfisk, try dubiouscoder, which is at hotmail.com
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If Will hadn't denied being shot at, would Ed have died? And if yes, would Ed have died executed? Murdered? Accidentally? Killed by members of his own nation? By enemy? In his home country? Abroad?

Was Will's denial deliberately made in order to save people who were in Ed's position, although unknown to Will?
Is a hostage/prisoners exchange relevant?
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If Will hadn't denied being shot at, would Ed have died? Yes And if yes, would Ed have died executed? Murdered? Accidentally? Killed by members of his own nation? By enemy? This In his home country? And this Abroad?

Was Will's denial deliberately made in order to save people who were in Ed's position, although unknown to Will? Yes, if I understand your question correctly
Is a hostage/prisoners exchange relevant? No
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Is Ed an espionage agent in a foreign country? Or is he working in his own country? Is he a double agent? Is Will 'working on the same side' as Ed?
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Is Ed an espionage agent in a foreign country? No
Or is he working in his own country? Yes, but probable FA
Is he a double agent? No
Is Will 'working on the same side' as Ed? Sort of
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Was Ed undercover counter-intelligence agent? Would his job/cover be put in danger, if Will got shot? If yes, was Will aware of that and this is why he denied being shot at?
Was Will shot at by the enemy? By the same people Ed was working among?
Was Will shot at in Ed's presence? Was Will shot at in his home country?
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Was Ed undercover counter-intelligence agent? No
Would his job/cover be put in danger, if Will got shot? No
If yes, was Will aware of that and this is why he denied being shot at? So, irrelevant
Was Will shot at by the enemy? Yes
By the same people Ed was working among? No
Was Will shot at in Ed's presence? No
Was Will shot at in his home country? No
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Were Will and Ed members of the same nation? Did they support the same cause? Did Will and Ed work in the same country?
Did more people survive because Will denied being shot at? Or just Ed? Was Ed in danger in connection with his (Ed's) job?
Or is it something more general, like Will, soldier working abroad, denied being shot at, so that there was no diplomatic crisis, the war was avoided and many civilians survived?
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Were Will and Ed members of the same nation? No Did they support the same cause? Noish Did Will and Ed work in the same country? No
Did more people survive because Will denied being shot at? Yes Or just Ed? No Was Ed in danger in connection with his (Ed's) job? No
Or is it something more general, like Will, soldier working abroad, denied being shot at, so that there was no diplomatic crisis, the war was avoided and many civilians survived? This is an accurate description
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If Will was shot at and it was made public, would his government react in a relevant way? Declare a war against the nation of the shooter?
Does Will participate in international stabilisatoion forces/mission? UN mission? Is he undercover?
Is the expression "fire at will" relevant?
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If Will was shot at and it was made public, would his government react in a relevant way? Yes
Declare a war against the nation of the shooter? Not necessarily but...
Also "made public" is a bit off the mark
Does Will participate in international stabilisatoion forces/mission? No
UN mission? No
Is he undercover? No
Is the expression "fire at will" relevant? It might be.
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Was Will an occupant in other nation's territory? Would his army be repressive against this nation if they learned that someone shot at Will?
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Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 8:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Will an occupant in other nation's territory? No
Would his army be repressive against this nation if they learned that someone shot at Will? That is a very distinct possibility.
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Can I just eliminate the possibility that there's some play on the phrase 'fire at will' going on here?
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Can I just eliminate the possibility that there's some play on the phrase 'fire at will' going on here?

Not being a native English speaker, I am probably not aware of any default connotations of the expression "fire at will", but "will" does not in any sense refer to the person "Will" in the puzzle. So Yes.
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Is Will's country at war with the country where he works?
Given that Will is a citizen of Country A and Ed is a citizen of Country B:
- are there more relevant countries?
- was Will shot at in Country B?
- did Will work in Country B?
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Is Will's country at war with the country where he works? No
Given that Will is a citizen of Country A and Ed is a citizen of Country B:
- are there more relevant countries? Yes
- was Will shot at in Country B? No
- did Will work in Country B? No
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Is there only one more country relevant (Country C)?
Did Will work in Country C? Was Will shot at in Country C?
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Is there only one more country relevant (Country C)? 2. Countries A and C are most relevant. B is very peripheral. D is somewhat less relevant than A and C, but still important.
Did Will work in Country C? Yes
Was Will shot at in Country C? Yes
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Was the shooter citizen of Country C? Country D?
Will is a soldier, correct? Is he also a spy? If yes, does he spy for Country A?
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Was the shooter citizen of Country C? Yes Country D? No
Will is a soldier, correct? In the very strictest sense no. In only the strictest sense, yes. Define "soldier"
Is he also a spy? Yesish
If yes, does he spy for Country A? Yes
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Was Will a paid member of Country A armed forces? Was Will engaged in an ongoing armed conflict?
Are more people directly relevant than Will and Ed?
If Will had not denied being shot at, and assuming that war would break out as a result, would the war be between:
Country A and Country C?
Country A and Country B?
Country A and Country D?

Is the only relevance of Country B that it was Ed's homeland?
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Was Will a paid member of Country A armed forces? Yes
Was Will engaged in an ongoing armed conflict? Noish
Are more people directly relevant than Will and Ed? Yes, but the main thing here is to get the situation to "click". I believe there are faster ways to solve this than to explore other relevant persons
If Will had not denied being shot at, and assuming that war would break out as a result, would the war be between:
Country A and Country C? Probably
Country A and Country B? No
Country A and Country D? Yes

Is the only relevance of Country B that it was Ed's homeland? Yesish
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Did it happen in 20th century? Earlier? Later?
Do all relevant countries still exist?
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Did it happen in 20th century? Yes Earlier? Later?
Do all relevant countries still exist? Yesish
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Is exact time and location relevant?

Will was working in Country C as a spy for his homeland, Country A. He was shot at by Country C citizen. However he knew that admitting that could cause the war between Country A and Country D, and probably also Country C, so he decided to deny it. The war was avoided and Ed, citizen of Country B, and also many other people, did not die. All correct so far?

Did the shooter want the war between countries:A and D to break out?
Was countries: C and D allies?
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Is exact time and location relevant? Yes

Will was working in Country C as a spy for his homeland, Country A. He was shot at by Country C citizen. However he knew that admitting that could cause the war between Country A and Country D, and probably also Country C, so he decided to deny it. The war was avoided and Ed, citizen of Country B, and also many other people, did not die. All correct so far? All correct so far.

Did the shooter want the war between countries:A and D to break out? Most probably not
Was countries: C and D allies? For all practical purposes, yes
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Did the shooter know that he (she) shot Country A's spy? If Will had admitted being shot at, would he also have had to admit being a spy?
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Did the shooter know that he (she) shot Country A's spy? Yes, but slight FA
If Will had admitted being shot at, would he also have had to admit being a spy? No, FA
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Will was not shot dead, correct? Was Will shot at from a gun?
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Will was not shot dead, correct? Correct
Was Will shot at from a gun? Yes.
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Was Will shot at deliberately? Accidentally? Was someone else the target?
Was Will shot at legally?
Was Will shot at with regular bullets?
Was Will injured? Was Will hit by a bullet?
Did anybody question Will about the shooting?
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Was Will shot at deliberately? Yes Accidentally? No
Was someone else the target? No
Was Will shot at legally? Um... I guess yes
Was Will shot at with regular bullets? No
Was Will injured? No
Was Will hit by a bullet? Yope
Did anybody question Will about the shooting? Yes
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************************ RECAP ************************
There are 4 countries, A, B, C and D, where Will, a from country A is shot at by a citizen of country C while conducting espionage in that country.
Countries C and D are allied, as are A and B
Country B is relevant only as the home country of random citizen Ed, who will be affected if a war breaks out, which is likely to happen if Will admits to being shot at.
Will was Yopeish hit.
Will was not shot at by regular bullets
Exact time and location are relevant
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Did it happen shortly before any of the world wars? Any other well known 20th century armed conflict? Did it happen in Europe?
Do all relevant countries still exist today?
Did Will expect being shot at? Did it happen during some action when people generally expect shooting? Like armed forces manoeuvers?
Was Will shot at with paintball bullets?
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If Will had admitted being shot at, would that have revealed his espionage? Is that would would have sparked the war?
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Did it happen shortly before any of the world wars? No
Any other well known 20th century armed conflict? Noish - define "armed conflict"
Did it happen in Europe? No
Do all relevant countries still exist today? Yesish
Did Will expect being shot at? Probably
Did it happen during some action when people generally expect shooting? Yesish
Like armed forces manoeuvers? I'd say yes, but define "manouvers"
Was Will shot at with paintball bullets? No

If Will had admitted being shot at, would that have revealed his espionage? No
Is that would would have sparked the war? No, if I understand your question correctly.
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Did it happen in Asia? Cold war relevant?
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Did it happen in Asia? No Cold war relevant? Yes
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Is one of the relevant countries the USA? The USSR? Would there have been a danger of nuclear war, had Will not denied being shot at?
Would the war actions have happened mostly in Country B?
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Is one of the relevant countries the USA? Yes
The USSR? Yes
Would there have been a danger of nuclear war, had Will not denied being shot at? Yes
Would the war actions have happened mostly in Country B? Noish
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Would the nuclear strike be directed into country B?
Ed lives in country B, correct?
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Would the nuclear strike be directed into country B? Could be
Ed lives in country B, correct? Yes
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Will was not shot at with regular bullets...
Was he shot at with something less dangerous than regular bullets? Something more dangerous than regular bullets?

Countries A and D stand for USA and USSR, correct?
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Will was not shot at with regular bullets...
Was he shot at with something less dangerous than regular bullets? No
Something more dangerous than regular bullets? Yes

Countries A and D stand for USA and USSR, correct? Yes
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Was Will shot at with missiles, not bullets? Dum dum bullets? Nuclear bullets (if something like this exists)?
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Was Will shot at with missiles, not bullets? Dum dum bullets? Nuclear bullets (if something like this exists)? I have googled a bit, but not been able to find the exact historical answer. However, it is likely that it was 37 mm explosive bullets
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If Will had admitted being shot at, would someone have collected and examined the bullets? In that case, would it have been obvious which country (or alliance) was the shooter from?
Was this type of bullets illegal?

Was Will trying to cross the border when he was shot at?
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If Will had admitted being shot at, would someone have collected and examined the bullets? No
In that case, would it have been obvious which country (or alliance) was the shooter from? That would have been pretty obvious anyway
Was this type of bullets illegal? No

Was Will trying to cross the border when he was shot at? No
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Did it happen in 1950s? 1960s? Is Cuban missile crisis relevant?
Are Eastern and Western Germany countries B and C?
Were the bullets filled with gas?
Was Will shot at during a demonstration? Riots?
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Did it happen in 1950s? 1960s? Is Cuban missile crisis relevant? YES
Are Eastern and Western Germany countries B and C? Cuba is B, C can be any country that would be affected by a nuclear war
Were the bullets filled with gas? No
Was Will shot at during a demonstration? Riots? No to both

Hint: Try to imagine a bullet of 37 mm diameter. What kind of weapon would fire such a projectile?
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What kind of weapon would fire such a projectile?
Grenade launcher? Multi - caliber machine gun?
Was the relevant projectile launched from another country's territory?
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Grenade launcher? Multi - caliber machine gun? No
Was the relevant projectile launched from another country's territory? No
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An autocannon, possibly from a plane? Or an antiaircraft gun? Or a rocket? Several early marks of MiG (probably flown by the Cubans) were armed with 37mm cannon.
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Was Will piloting a U2 recon plane over Cuba, and Ed was a Cuban MiG pilot who chased him, and Will denied being attacked so that the situation wouldn't escalate into a nuclear war or an invasion of Cuba in which Ed (and Will, for that matter) would have almost certainly died?
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An autocannon, possibly from a plane? Or an antiaircraft gun? This one Or a rocket? Several early marks of MiG (probably flown by the Cubans) were armed with 37mm cannon.

Was Will piloting a U2 recon plane over Cuba No and Ed was a Cuban MiG pilot who chased him, No, we have established that Ed is just a random citizen of any country that would have been affected and Will denied being attacked so that the situation wouldn't escalate into a nuclear war Yes or an invasion of Cuba No in which Ed (and Will, for that matter) would have almost certainly died? Yes

This is almost finished. I'll let it sit a bit to see if anyone cares to work out some more details
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So, it seems that Will was in an aircraft when it was hit by antiaircraft 37 mm projectile, correct? Did the parties believe that the shooters did not have antiaircraft guns, which would have been proved false?
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So Ed could represent anyone. Was Will a pilot? Was the AA gun American? Russian? Cuban? Western Bloc? Eastern Bloc?

Recon pilot investigating (depending on side) the Soviet convoy or the American naval blockade?

Did the AA gun identify what otherwise seemed a civilian craft (ship? plane?) as a military one?

Relevant exactly where this took place?
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So, it seems that Will was in an aircraft when it was hit by antiaircraft 37 mm projectile, correct? Yes
Did the parties believe that the shooters did not have antiaircraft guns, which would have been proved false? The pilot and his superiors were well aware that AA guns were present

So Ed could represent anyone. To a large extent, yes Was Will a pilot? Yes
Was the AA gun American? Russian? Cuban? Western Bloc? Eastern Bloc? Cuban, but of Russian make

Recon pilot investigating (depending on side) the Soviet convoy or the American naval blockade? Recon pilot, yes, but not investigating any of these targets

Did the AA gun identify what otherwise seemed a civilian craft (ship? plane?) as a military one? No

Relevant exactly where this took place? Depends on your definition of "exactly". I'll have to throw a "yope" here

The only really relevant detail remaining is to find out why this could start WWIII, which is only fun if you know your history well, or have seen the movie that this puzzle is based on
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Well, that would seem to be that if Will was fired on, this could be considered a hostile act. Will could have reported being fired on and the incident could have escalated. But I'm guessing your solution's a little more specialized?
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I'm guessing your solution's a little more specialized?

Not very. I believe it is spoiling time

************************** SPOILER ****************************

This is based on the movie “Thirteen days”, and the Cuban missile crisis in October 1962. President Kennedy felt that he was balancing on a razor’s edge between getting extremely dangerous and destabilising Russian nuclear missile installations at Cuba, and set off WWIII by using necessary force to get rid of the installations. Photographs taken by U2 spy planes indicated that construction of the sites at Cuba was well under way, but Kennedy needed better pictures in order to confront the Russians who where denying the whole thing. On October 23rd, Captain William B. Ecker (“Will” in the puzzle) led the first of several fast, low-altitude photo missions over Cuba. He had been instructed (at least according to the movie) “not to be shot at”, because the Joint Chiefs of Staff were eager to bomb the missile sites and even invade Cuba, and any pretext, such as the Cubans shooting at the photo reconnaissance planes, would strengthen their position.

Immediately after the photo mission, Ecker was taken to the Pentagon, and asked by the JCS whether they had “fired as much as a BB gun” at him, to which he answered “It was a cakewalk, sir”. According to Ecker himself, this scene was portrayed accurately in the movie. (http://www.vfp62.com/Ecker_Comments.html)

I think the movie is a good one, but despite its more than 2 hours' playing time, it cannot even begin to cover all the interesting and often important details.

Also, "hollywoodising" takes its toll. For example, in the movie Ecker's plane is hit by several rounds of anti-aircraft projectiles. This, according to Ecker, didn't happen. They were shot at, but not hit, much due to the great speed at which they were flying.

Anyway, certain historical events are more, well, interesting than others, and I believe October 1962 will by many be considered one of the most fateful months in all of human history.
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Very cool puzzle. Sorry for not taking part.

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