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Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 - 2:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There is a village up in the mountains which is linked by a road to the next town. The road is safe and convenient, open all the year, toll-free, and many people are using it every day. So do Tom and Jake, but in some occasions they prefer to go by helicopter, although they're not in a hurry and the road is not blocked either.

Find out when they are using the helicopter and why.
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Do Tom and Jake live in the village?
Do only Tom and Jake use helicopter in the relevant circumstances? Do the circumstances have to do with weather?
Are Tom and Jake human? Adult? Can they drive a car? Do they have a car?
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Do Tom and Jake live in the village? Not relevant, assume no.
Do only Tom and Jake use helicopter in the relevant circumstances? No, explore. Do the circumstances have to do with weather? No.
Are Tom and Jake human? Yes. Adult? Yes. Can they drive a car? Yes. Do they have a car? Yes.
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Is it relevant why Tom and Jake go to the village?
Is helicopter cheaper than car in relevant circumstances? Safer? Do they want to impress someone?

When they decide to go by helicopter, do they travel alone (Tom, Jake and the pilot)? Do they pilot the helicopter themselves? Is it their helicopter?

Is the relationship between Tom and Jake relevant?
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Is it relevant why Tom and Jake go to the village? Yes.
Is helicopter cheaper than car in relevant circumstances? Absolutely not. Safer? Probably not. Do they want to impress someone? No.

When they decide to go by helicopter, do they travel alone (Tom, Jake and the pilot)? No, explore. Do they pilot the helicopter themselves? No, explore. Is it their helicopter? No.

Is the relationship between Tom and Jake relevant? Yes, explore.
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A lot to explore here, obviously.
Do they use the helicopter when they go exploring?
Hoping intensely for a "No, explore"
Are they father and son?
Relatives?
Family?
Is another person with them in the helicopter, who is not with them when they drive?
Any animals relevant?
Are there circumstances or conditions along the road which prevent them (or at least strongly deter them) from using the road?
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A lot to explore here, obviously. Yes, go on.
Do they use the helicopter when they go exploring?
Hoping intensely for a "No, explore". No, it's a clear no.
Are they father and son? No.
Relatives? No.
Family? No.
Is another person with them in the helicopter, who is not with them when they drive? There is one more person in the helicopter. When they drive there might be also one more person with them, but not always.
Any animals relevant? No.
Are there circumstances or conditions along the road which prevent them (or at least strongly deter them) from using the road? Yes.
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Are Tom and Jake coworkers? In that case, do they work in medical or paramedical profession? Are they mountain lifeguards? Law enforcement?
Do they just happen to travel together?
Do they choose helicopter so that they could travel faster? So that they could reach the place they would not be able to reach by car?

Just to clarify: "There is one more person in the helicopter" - means Tom, Jake, Pilot and Person 3? Or Tom, Jake and Person 3?

Are village, road and helicopter normal full-size ones (as opposed to models, maquettes, lego blocks, film decorations etc.)?
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Are Tom and Jake coworkers? Yes. In that case, do they work in medical or paramedical profession? No. Are they mountain lifeguards? No. Law enforcement? Yes.
Do they just happen to travel together? No, they travel together as part of their job.
Do they choose helicopter so that they could travel faster? No, that's not the reason. So that they could reach the place they would not be able to reach by car? They are able to reach the place by car. (Possibly FA)

Just to clarify: "There is one more person in the helicopter" - means Tom, Jake, Pilot and Person 3? This one, and this is kind of relevant. (and helps perhaps to clear up the FA) Or Tom, Jake and Person 3?

Are village, road and helicopter normal full-size ones (as opposed to models, maquettes, lego blocks, film decorations etc.)? Yes, everything is real, and this puzzle is based on a true story.
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Are they using helicopter to get a bird's-eye view of the road and the area around it?
So 4 persons in total in the helicopter?
And the pilot is irrelevant apart from being a pilot?
Can we call the non-pilot, non-Tom, non-Jake person... um... Garfield?
If so, is Garfield a specialist helping with the mission?
Does he have a camera? One or more instruments? Rifle? Water-filled plastic bags? Binoculars? Bullhorn? Rope ladder?
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Are they using helicopter to get a bird's-eye view of the road and the area around it? No, they use the helicopter to travel a way they, in other situations, would drive.
So 4 persons in total in the helicopter? Yes.
And the pilot is irrelevant apart from being a pilot? Hard to answer. Let's say that: he is relevant for this scenario. If he was not there, this scenario would not happen this way. (Perhaps it would help if you put your question in a different way...)
Can we call the non-pilot, non-Tom, non-Jake person... um... Garfield? Sure.
If so, is Garfield a specialist helping with the mission? No.
Does he have a camera? Possibly. One or more instruments? Possibly. Rifle? Possibly. Water-filled plastic bags? No. Binoculars? Possibly. Bullhorn? Unlikely. Rope ladder? Unlikely.
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Could any helicopter pilot with the required certifications for the helicopter type and sight conditions replace the specific pilot currently in the puzzle (whom we may perhaps call Odie?)?

I was really hoping against hope for a "yes" to the "Water-filled plastic bags" question

Is time of day relevant?
Suppose it were possible to put them all into a sealed, hollow cannonball, and shoot them out of a cannon from A to B, and that they could arrive free from injury, not making any damage to the surroundings and get out of the cannonball after arrival. Would that constitute a satisfactory replacement for the helicopter ride?
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Abc
Could any helicopter pilot with the required certifications for the helicopter type and sight conditions replace the specific pilot currently in the puzzle (whom we may perhaps call Odie?)? Sure. He's nothing but a helicopter pilot, but it would not work without him.

I was really hoping against hope for a "yes" to the "Water-filled plastic bags" question. Ah, I see. And if it had been yes, what would your next question have been .. ?

Is time of day relevant? No.
Suppose it were possible to put them all into a sealed, hollow cannonball, and shoot them out of a cannon from A to B, and that they could arrive free from injury, not making any damage to the surroundings and get out of the cannonball after arrival. Would that constitute a satisfactory replacement for the helicopter ride? Yes.
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Are they afraid that something unpleasant would happen if they were to travel by car?
Are there yet-to-be-discovered people of ill will in this puzzle?
People that may represent a danger to Garfield? To Tom? To Jake?
Jailbreaks relevant?
In the cannonball scenario, could we do without Odie?
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Do they have to transport equipment that does not fit into the car? Do they have to transport something else to the village? From the village?
When they go by car, they are only Tom, Jake and Odie, correct?
Natural disasters relevant?
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Are they afraid that something unpleasant would happen if they were to travel by car? Yes. (at least some of them are)
Are there yet-to-be-discovered people of ill will in this puzzle? No(ish).
People that may represent a danger to Garfield? No. To Tom? No. To Jake? No.
Jailbreaks relevant? In a particular sense, potentially, yes.
In the cannonball scenario, could we do without Odie?

Redwine
Do they have to transport equipment that does not fit into the car? No. Do they have to transport something else to the village? No. From the village? No.
When they go by car, they are only Tom, Jake and Odie, correct? Tom, Jake and Garfield. Odie is the helicopter pilot.
Natural disasters relevant? No.
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Is Garfield worried about what would happen if they were to go by car? Tom? Jake?
Is Garfield always the same person, or does he vary between helicopter flights?
Is Garfield a policeman? A criminal?
Are they returning? The same day? By helicopter? All of them?
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Is Garfield worried about what would happen if they were to go by car? No. Tom? Jake? Yes to these two, at least they are worried about what potentially might happen.
Is Garfield always the same person, or does he vary between helicopter flights? It varies. (and actually, situations in which a particular Garfield does this trip more than once are very rare)
Is Garfield a policeman? No. A criminal? Yes.
Are they returning? Yope. The same day? Yes. By helicopter? Yes, but a possible FA lurking. All of them? Yes, and the same FA.
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Are Tom and Jake afraid that, in some circumstances, criminal Garfield could escape from the car? And will not be able to escape from helicopter?
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Are Tom and Jake afraid that, in some circumstances, criminal Garfield could escape from the car? Yes, explore. And will not be able to escape from helicopter? Well, unless you have got a parachute or your name is McGyver, it is difficult to escape from a flying helicopter.
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I asked earlier whether Garfield has a rifle, and got the answer "possibly". What kind of police force would allow a criminal being moved to carry a rifle? OK, that was not a yes/no question. Is Garfield being transported from one prison to another?
Has he been arrested at all?
Is he a prisoner?
Is he under arrest during the flight?
Is it relevant what kind of criminal he is?
Is his age relevant?
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I asked earlier whether Garfield has a rifle, and got the answer "possibly". What kind of police force would allow a criminal being moved to carry a rifle? OK, got me. When in the helicopter he most likely would not have a gun, but he might have one at the moment when he is arrested. OK, that was not a yes/no question. Is Garfield being transported from one prison to another? No. There is no prison in this peaceful village.
Has he been arrested at all? Yes.
Is he a prisoner? If you mean, whether he has received a prison sentence, then no. Not yet.
Is he under arrest during the flight? Yes.
Is it relevant what kind of criminal he is? No, not really. Assume burglar, thief, robber, drug trafficker, the usual everyday clientele of the police.
Is his age relevant? No.
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Is there a special reason why Garfield would be likely to escape along that particular road?
If he were to be driven rather than flown, would his possible escape be all by himself?
Or would he have assistance?
Is there anything about the car that would make escape likely?
Is there a special point along the road where escape would be more likely?
Does the road cross a national border?
Can they usually drive the whole distance without stopping?
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Is it his escape as such they fear? Or consequences from escape? Such as having to look for Garfield in unpleasant terrain? Or having him get injured? Or killed? Or causing accidents? Is their fear based on something that has happened before? And they want to keep it from happening again?
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Abc
Is there a special reason why Garfield would be likely to escape along that particular road? Yes.
If he were to be driven rather than flown, would his possible escape be all by himself? No.
Or would he have assistance? In some sense, yes.
Is there anything about the car that would make escape likely? No.
Is there a special point along the road where escape would be more likely? Yes.
Does the road cross a national border? Yes.
Can they usually drive the whole distance without stopping? No, they would have to stop at the border crossing point.

Galfisk
Is it his escape as such they fear? Yes. Or consequences from escape? and yes. Such as having to look for Garfield in unpleasant terrain? No. Or having him get injured? No. Or killed? No. Or causing accidents? No. Is their fear based on something that has happened before? I do not know whether this scenario ever has happened at all. But the sheer possibility made them taking precautions. And they want to keep it from happening again? So, no.
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Is it relevant which countries the border separates?
Will everyone have to exit the car at the border?
Will there be guards at the border?
Might Garfield be deliberately set free by some guard or official at the border?
Or "accidentally" set free (the quotes means purpose disguised as sloppiness)?
Is corruption among government employees relevant?
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Is it relevant which countries the border separates? Not really.
Will everyone have to exit the car at the border? Perhaps not exit, but the car will have to stop and the border guard will check the documents of anybody in the car.
Will there be guards at the border? Yes.
Might Garfield be deliberately set free by some guard or official at the border? Under certain conditions, yes, or, rather, no, not actually set free, but ...
Or "accidentally" set free (the quotes means purpose disguised as sloppiness)? No, if anything happens, then it will be on purpose and in accordance with the law.
Is corruption among government employees relevant? No.
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When landing with the helicopter, will they have to go through any formal procedures similar to those at the border?
Are they landing at an airport?
Are they sort of smuggling Garfield across the border?
Will they carry Garfield to a prison?
To a courthouse?
Is Garfield's citizenship relevant?
Is he from country A (which they are travellig from)?
From country B (which they are travelling to)?
Is it possible that they would be turned back at the border if they went by car?
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When landing with the helicopter, will they have to go through any formal procedures similar to those at the border? No. (think about this ..)
Are they landing at an airport? Assume so.
Are they sort of smuggling Garfield across the border? No.
Will they carry Garfield to a prison? Yes.
To a courthouse? Or this.
Is Garfield's citizenship relevant? Yes.
Is he from country A (which they are travellig from)? No.
From country B (which they are travelling to)? Yes.
Is it possible that they would be turned back at the border if they went by car? No.
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Will the guards take over, and demand that they handle Garfield from the border on, since T&J have no jurisdiction in country B?
Are there any relevant geographical features near the border checkpoint?
Will T&J turn Garfield over to country B's authorities once they have landed?
Once they have arrived at the prison?
Relevant how they get from the helicopter to the prison?
Or do they land just by the prison?
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Will the guards take over, and demand that they handle Garfield from the border on, since T&J have no jurisdiction in country B? Yes, on Garfield's demand. As a national of country B he can demand to be handed over.
Are there any relevant geographical features near the border checkpoint? No.
Will T&J turn Garfield over to country B's authorities once they have landed? No, they have no reason to do so.
Once they have arrived at the prison? No.
Relevant how they get from the helicopter to the prison? Not really, assume they walk.
Or do they land just by the prison? Or this.
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Is there anything special about the prison?
Do T&J have jurisdiction there?
Do they leave Garfield in the prison?
Then go home again without Garfield?
Or with Garfield?
Do they go somewhere else than back where they came from?
Is the population of the helicopter exactly the same on the way back (or the next leg)?
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Is the prison in Country A (the same as the village)? Is the prison in Country B? Do they cross more than one border?
Do they always have to cross the border on their way from village to prison? Do they sometimes drive through the border with an arrested person on board? Do they sometimes drive through the border with an arrested person who is Country B citizen on board?
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Is the prison in Country A (the same as the village)? Yes. Is the prison in Country B? No. Do they cross more than one border? Yes.
Do they always have to cross the border on their way from village to prison? Yes (if they go by car). Do they sometimes drive through the border with an arrested person on board? Yes. Do they sometimes drive through the border with an arrested person who is Country B citizen on board? No, this is what they're trying to avoid at any rate.

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Is there anything special about the prison? No, it's an ordinary prison.
Do T&J have jurisdiction there? Yes.
Do they leave Garfield in the prison? Yes.
Then go home again without Garfield? I'm not sure what you mean. If you're asking whether they return to their police station after they're done with Garfield, then yes.
Or with Garfield? This is also possible. Could be that they first take Garfield to the police station to ask him some questions, and afterwards to the prison.
Do they go somewhere else than back where they came from? No, eventually they return to the police station.
Is the population of the helicopter exactly the same on the way back (or the next leg)? You mean, on the way back to its base? No, the pilot will fly it back alone. And for the next leg anything is possible, the helicopter is used by different organisations (fire brigade, mountain rescue, ..)
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OK, I've been under the impression all along that they fly with Garfield from their own country (A) to the country with the prison (B), then go back without Garfield, while in fact, they go from A only with the pilot, and return with Garfield. to their own country. Is that right?
Are they going to put Garfield in a country A prison, while Garfield is a citizen of country B?
Is that OK with the government of B?
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It seems now, though, that the prison is also in country A, but the only road connecting their starting point in country A with the prison passes into country B (and back out again). Is this correct? If so, is it because the mountains prevent building a road entirely within country A? Is the village from which they start entirely isolated by car, except for roads that go there from country B? or the same for the place with the prison (sounds highly unlikely there'd be a prison in such a remote place, but I'll ask anyway).
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OK, I've been under the impression all along that they fly with Garfield from their own country (A) to the country with the prison (B), then go back without Garfield, while in fact, they go from A only with the pilot, and return with Garfield. to their own country. Is that right? No, when they fly (with Garfield) they do not leave country A. But see below ..
Are they going to put Garfield in a country A prison, while Garfield is a citizen of country B? Yes.
Is that OK with the government of B? I think it happens everyday all around the world that criminals who are arrested on the spot go to a prison in the country where they got arrested, even if they happen to be a foreign country's citizen.

Biograd
It seems now, though, that the prison is also in country A, but the only road connecting their starting point in country A with the prison passes into country B (and back out again). Is this correct? Correct. If so, is it because the mountains prevent building a road entirely within country A? Exactly. Is the village from which they start entirely isolated by car, except for roads that go there from country B? Yes. or the same for the place with the prison (sounds highly unlikely there'd be a prison in such a remote place, but I'll ask anyway). No, only the location of the village is the problem.
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Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 11:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think we now have a ..

*** SPOILER ***

There is a village up in the mountains which is linked by a road to the next town. The road is safe and convenient, open all the year, toll-free, and many people are using it every day. So do Tom and Jake, but in some occasions they prefer to go by helicopter, although they're not in a hurry and the road is not blocked either.

The only road serving the village of Mittelberg in Vorarlberg, Austria, comes from Oberstdorf in Germany. Thus, if you want to travel by car from any other place in Austria to Mittelberg, you inevitably will cross German territory.

This applies also to the police, who are based in Bregenz, the district capital. If they happen to arrest a criminal in Mittelberg, and the criminal turned out to be German citizen, they strictly avoided to travel with him through Germany. Rather, they called a helicopter to take them all down to Bregenz.

This was the official policy, not the decision of the individual policeman. Reasons for this have never been stated by the Austrian government but one might assume that they simply were afraid the German could at the border checkpoint apply to the German officials and demand to be taken over. And once in German custody he would have the right to refuse to be extradiced to Austria.(Therefore the "escape" in quotation marks .. he would not really escape, but he would escape Austrian jurisdiction.)

This is now all history, as in 1998 (?) the EU governments agreed that a citizen of a EU country who commits a crime in another EU country will be tried at the locally competent court.

Also, since 1995 there are no border checkpoints any more between Austria and Germany.

Significance of the title: The helicopters of the helicopter squad of the Austrian Ministy of Interior Affairs, which were used in these situations, have the callsign "Libelle", which is German for "dragonfly".

Thanks to Redwine, Abc, Galfisk, Biograd for solving. I hope you enjoyed it.

Acknowledgement: Loosely inspired by one earlier puzzle of Jenburdoo.
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Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 12:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Very good puzzle. I wonder how long it might have take if I were the only participant :-(

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