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Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 3:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There was a man in my home town who worked an evening shift in a local factory. He finished work at 10 each night and drove the 3 mile journey home to his house, a trip which took only 5-10 mins.

On particular nights he took a much longer route home on back roads which criscrossed the border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. This would take upto 20 minutes and maybe more if he ran into an Army patrol.

Given that this was during the height of the Northern Irish troubles driving on border roads at night was considered a somewhat foolhardy thing to do.

When asked why he did this he'd lament in his lovely Monaghan brogue 'ach sure it's cos of that feckin prod* up the road'

He'd then go on to offer a perfectly rational explanation which I'm sure you'll all be able to come up with.


*prod: Someone of the Protestant faith. This term was used by both catholics and protestants at the time and was not really an offensive term. I knew lots of Church of Ireland people who proudly referred to themselves as prods.
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Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 3:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he do this only once?
In that particular circumstances, was the longer route cheaper? Faster? Safer? More comfortable? to him than his usual, shorter one?
Did he stop somewhere during the long route journey?
Was he a Catholic? Relevant?
Did he travel alone?
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Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 3:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Exactly one f-ing prod on the road? more than one?
on the road he usually is taking? on the longer road?
The f-ing prod: H? A? M?
Catholic holidays relevant? Protestant holidays?
Did the man take the longer road usally more often than 10 times per year? more often than 5 times per year? only once per year? (if so: at Easter?)
Gaelic football relevant? Any other sport that involves a ball and two goals?
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Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 7:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

After the Troubles ended, did he stop this unusual driving practice? Would he have done so before the Troubles?

The days he would make the "prod drive": Would they occur more than once a year? Once every few months? Around once a month? More than once a month? Once a week? Could they occur on every day of the week? Only on one specific day?

Is there something quintessentially "Irish" to this puzzle? If there were a similar situation abroad (lets say the West Bank) could you envision this occurring? Would the man have driven the same way if he was Protestant and there was "feckin Catholic" up the road?
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Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 8:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was that f-in prod:
In a car? driving? waiting? walking? standing on the road? sitting? lying? Frequently running in front of cars? Was he armed?

Had our hero encountered the f_ing prod once before? Was there something with his car that made the f-ing prod dangerous for him? Were other people avoiding the f-ing prod too?
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Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 10:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Redwine

Did he do this only once? No he did it more than once on specific occasions
In that particular circumstances, was the longer route cheaper? Faster? Safer? More comfortable? to him than his usual, shorter one? None of these are relevant to why he took the alternative route
Did he stop somewhere during the long route journey? Yes
Was he a Catholic? Yes Relevant? Yes
Did he travel alone? Yes
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 10:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sundowner

Exactly one f-ing prod on the road? more than one? on the road he usually is taking? there was more than one , where I came from typically about 10% of the populace were protestants. But only one is relevant. Oh by the way we Irish have been using the word feck as a substitute for it's more rude cousin with a U in it for years. It's a polite way of cursing without actually swearing
on the longer road? There probably was quite a few but not the specific guy who caused him the problem
The f-ing prod: H? A? M? Yes
Catholic holidays relevant? Protestant holidays? No
Did the man take the longer road usally more often than 10 times per year? more often than 5 times per year? I'd say between 5 and 10} only once per year? (if so: at Easter?)
Gaelic football relevant? No Any other sport that involves a ball and two goals? Indeed yes
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Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 10:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Alexander

After the Troubles ended, did he stop this unusual driving practice? No but it woudl have been perceived to be less of a dangerous thing to do Would he have done so before the Troubles? He wouldn't have been old enough so not relevant

The days he would make the "prod drive": Would they occur more than once a year? Once every few months? Around once a month? More than once a month? Once a week? Could they occur on every day of the week? Only on one specific day? As above it was about 10 times a year. More likely in the middle of the week

Is there something quintessentially "Irish" to this puzzle? Yes If there were a similar situation abroad (lets say the West Bank) could you envision this occurring? It's hard to imagine a similar circumstance but not beyond possiblility Would the man have driven the same way if he was Protestant and there was "feckin Catholic" up the road? It's possible but the fecking catholic would have to act in a similar way to the feckin Protestant
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Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 10:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sleepingbeaver

Was that f-in prod:
In a car? driving? waiting? walking? standing on the road? sitting? lying? Frequently running in front of cars? Was he armed? None of these things

Had our hero encountered the f_ing prod once before? On many occasions. In truth the men were quite friendly really well they weren't enemies that's for sure Was there something with his car that made the f-ing prod dangerous for him? No Were other people avoiding the f-ing prod too? No
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Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 10:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When he stopped on the longer road, did he leave the car? go somewhere? enter a building? did he go to a pub? to watch a football match?
Did he make similar stops on the shorter road, too, on the days he was taking it? Would the f-ing prod have prevented him from leavin the car? make it less pleasant?
Is the pub frequented by f-ing prods on these days? by supporters of a particular football team? who happen, in majority, to be f-ing prods?
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Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 11:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When he stopped on the longer road, did he leave the car? He didn't actully stop on the longer route. Apologies if I gave the impression that he did. go somewhere? enter a building? did he go to a pub? to watch a football match? None of these but the last point is relevant
Did he make similar stops on the shorter road, too, on the days he was taking it? As mentioned he doesn't make any stops Would the f-ing prod have prevented him from leavin the car? make it less pleasant? No to these
Is the pub frequented by f-ing prods on these days? by supporters of a particular football team? who happen, in majority, to be f-ing prods? As you can see there's an FA in this line of questioning
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Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 1:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he go the longer route in order to: drive by a certain place? Avoid driving by a certain place? Spend more time driving? Drive farther?
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Are there some sort of tolls or border patrol at the border? Does the Protestant gentlemen work a tollbooth/border stop?

Do these visits occur after football matches? During? Before? Are football matches between certain teams relevant?

Do the man and his prod friend have a ongoing wager? And he goes out of his way to pay up/collect?
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Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 2:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Galfisk

Does he go the longer route in order to: drive by a certain place? No Avoid driving by a certain place? This Spend more time driving? Drive farther? No to these
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Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 2:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Alexander

Are there some sort of tolls or border patrol at the border? There were a lot of roving British Army patrols at night and a fixed border customs checkpoint but not really relevant Does the Protestant gentlemen work a tollbooth/border stop? No

Do these visits occur after football matches? Visits? do you mean journeys, If so then yes to this During? Before? Are football matches between certain teams relevant? Yesish

Do the man and his prod friend have a ongoing wager? And he goes out of his way to pay up/collect? No to this
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Do the visits occur the same day as the matches? Or are the visits days after the matches? If the same day, is heavy traffic relevant? Drunk driving?

Are the matches between a Northern Irish team and a Republic of Irish team? Do he and the prod support the same team? Are the matches nearby? Any of the above relevant?

Are the man and the prod family? Are they friends? Co-workers? Acquaintances? Is there some sort of arrangement between the two?
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And by visits, I meant trips.
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Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 9:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are matches of one particular team relevant? Derry City F.C.?
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Does the man live in Northern Ireland? Is his workplace in Northern Ireland?
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Alexanderhamilton

Do the visits occur the same day as the matches? {Trips yes} Or are the visits days after the matches? No If the same day, is heavy traffic relevant? Drunk driving? No to both

Are the matches between a Northern Irish team and a Republic of Irish team? No but not a million miles away from the right track Do he and the prod support the same team? No Are the matches nearby? No Any of the above relevant? The supporting different teams is

Are the man and the prod family? Are they friends? Co-workers? Acquaintances? This Is there some sort of arrangement between the two? No

And by visits, I meant trips. No problem
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Minimo
Are matches of one particular team relevant? Derry City F.C.? Yes but no to the Candystipes
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Sundowner

Does the man live in Northern Ireland? No Is his workplace in Northern Ireland? No....neither of the protagonists live or work in the north
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Is the football team based in Northern Ireland? in the Republic of Ireland? Are their supporters predominantly catholic? predominantly protestant?
Did the man take the longer road always when this particular team had a match? Did he want to avoid to encounter something (somebody) on the road?
Did he think the protestants will celebrate in the street? because this team won? because this team lost?
Does the one particularly relevant f.ing prod live near the road this man usually was driving?
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Does the man make the longer drive every time the relevant team(s) play? Does the outcome of the match determine whether he makes the drive? Are the matches over with when he decides to make the drive? Car radios relevant?

So he doesn't ever stop on the longer journeys? Does he see the prod at all? Does he hear him? Is there any sort of interaction between the two? Any communication?
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Does the man have a bet with the prod?
Does the man drive by a relevant football stadium on his short way home? Other place where football fans gather during/after matches?
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Mimino

Is the football team based in Northern Ireland? in the Republic of Ireland? Neither, they are from Scotland. Celtic is the team you're looking for Are their supporters predominantly catholic? Yes indeed, Celtic have a huge following in Ireland for reasons I've never really understood predominantly protestant?
Did the man take the longer road always when this particular team had a match? Yes Did he want to avoid to encounter something (somebody) on the road? Yes
Did he think the protestants will celebrate in the street? Only this one protestant because this team won? because this team lost? because Celtic lost
Does the one particularly relevant f.ing prod live near the road this man usually was driving? Yes he lives on the man's road

Excellent progress Mimino
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Alexanderhamilton

Does the man make the longer drive every time the relevant team(s)play? Everytime Celtic play yes Does the outcome of the match determine whether he makes the drive? No explore this Are the matches over with when he decides to make the drive? Yes Car radios relevant? Not really

So he doesn't ever stop on the longer journeys? No Does he see the prod at all? No Does he hear him? No Is there any sort of interaction between the two? No Any communication? no
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Redwine

Does the man have a bet with the prod? No
Does the man drive by a relevant football stadium on his short way home? Other place where football fans gather during/after matches? No to both
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Does the prod celebrate Celtic matches in an extraordinary way? If yes, does it end with police coming to his place?
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Does the prod celebrate Celtic matches in an extraordinary way? not all Celtic matches but yes If yes, does it end with police coming to his place? No nothing like that
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Does the prod celebrate only matches lost by Celtic in the relevant extraordinary way? Do these celebrations involve:
noise?
blocking the road?
doing something to the passing cars?
doing something that involves only the man and/or his car?

Does the man know the result of the game when he starts his longer way home?
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Redwine

Does the prod celebrate only matches lost by Celtic in the relevant extraordinary way? Yes Do these celebrations involve:
noise?
blocking the road? Neither but you're home and dry
doing something to the passing cars? Yesish
doing something that involves only the man and/or his car?

Does the man know the result of the game when he starts his longer way home? No and that's the remainder of the solution

************Spoiler**************

The man is a lifelong supporter of Glasgow based football team Celtic who have a huge following amongst Irish catholics. Celtics arch enemies also from Glasgow are Rangers who are supported by Protestants. The rivalry is pretty fierce and in truth can be quite ugly.

Not so in this little tale as this is really only a bit of friendly sports banter. Whenever Celtic are playing a midweek match our guy goes to great lengths to avoid hearing the result so he can enjoy a recording of the game when he gets home. Unfortunately the Rangers supporting protestant gentleman knows this and has taken to flying a huge Rangers banner from his house whenever Celtic get beaten. When they win or draw he does nothing. His house is right by the roadside and is on our guy's route home about a quarter of a mile from his own house.

After many footie spoilers inflicted by his protestant neighbour the Celtic fan has taken to driving the long way home so he can approach his house from the other direction and avoid passing his neighbours house and seeing (or not seeing) the telltale flag.

It's all done in a jovial manner and is the source of much mirth .

Thanks for playing and well done to Redwine for flying the Rangers banner on this puzzle.

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