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Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 4:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Irene achieved 60% result on a test. This caused much amusement.

True story.
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Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 5:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A test at school/college/university?
A medical test?
A soberity test?
Would it cause amusement for anyone to score 60% on the test?
Is Irene human? Subhuman? Just a little bit human? Not human at all?
Written test?
Oral test?
Practical test?
Was Irene a bit testy?
Were there other people doing the test simultaneously?
Are other people relevant at all?
If so, 1? 2? 3? More?
Would 59% be (almost) as amusing? 61%?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 5:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abc:
A test at school/college/university? This is the relevant kind of test.
A medical test? No.
A soberity test? No.
Would it cause amusement for anyone to score 60% on the test? No.
Is Irene human? Totally human. Subhuman? Just a little bit human? Not human at all?
Written test? This.
Oral test?
Practical test?
Was Irene a bit testy? No, if I get the question right.
Were there other people doing the test yes. simultaneously? No.
Are other people relevant at all? No more people are directly relevant.
If so, 1? 2? 3? More?
Would 59% be (almost) as amusing? 61%? Yes.
Abc (Abc)
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Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 6:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is 60% an amusingly poor result?
Good result?
Was it primary school? Secondary?
High school? Higher education?
Non-school-related course?
Was the test in a subject general enough to be common "ordinary" school?
History?
Geography?
A language?
Math?
Physics?
Chemistry
Biology?
Is the subject relevant at all?
Is there anything special about Irene that we need to find out?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 8:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abc:
Is 60% an amusingly poor result? Yes.
Good result?
Was it primary school? Secondary?
High school? This. Higher education?
Non-school-related course?
Was the test in a subject general enough to be common "ordinary" school? Yes.
History?
Geography?
A language? This.
Math?
Physics?
Chemistry
Biology?
Is the subject relevant at all? Yes.
Is there anything special about Irene that we need to find out? Yes.
Abc (Abc)
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Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 8:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant which language?
Is it Irene's mother tongue?
And she is the only pupil who has that particular language as her native language?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 10:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abc:
Relevant which language? In the story, it was Polish. But the situation is general so it works for any official language of the place where you set it.
Is it Irene's mother tongue? Yes.
And she is the only pupil who has that particular language as her native language? No and FA.
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Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 10:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would I be correct in saying that it wasn't a foreign language test, but a test of one's ability to read, write, and comprehend one's native tongue?

Are any more specifics of the test relevant? Was it a spelling test? Listening or reading comprehension? Creative or transactional writing? Responding to literature?

Did Irene deserve the mark she was given? Did she do her best throughout the test? Had she studied adequately? Was she at a similar level of schooling than her peers? Did she misunderstand any of the instructions, or any of the texts to study (if applicable)?
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Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 11:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wizardofnz:
Would I be correct in saying that it wasn't a foreign language test, but a test of one's ability to read, write, and comprehend one's native tongue? Yes.

Are any more specifics of the test relevant? Yes. Was it a spelling test? Listening or reading comprehension? Creative or transactional writing? Responding to literature? This one.

Did Irene deserve the mark she was given? I really don't know how to answer this question... Did she do her best throughout the test? Yes. Had she studied adequately? No. Was she at a similar level of schooling than her peers? No. Did she misunderstand any of the instructions, or any of the texts to study (if applicable)? No, she understood correctly the text and instructions.
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Was she supposed to be doing the test at all? Was she in the wrong class? Was she younger than her classmates? Older? Is she an adult?

Was the test to talk about a book that she hadn't read? Was it about a book that was assigned to someone else, but she had read anyway and was able to give some basic insight into the questions?
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I assume other students took the same test, correct? Were the other students native speakers?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 6:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Responding to literature...
As in knowing her country's famous authors and their works?
As in reading one or a few paragraphs, and then responding to questions (comprehension test)?
Is her occupation relevant?
Is the setting of the test relevant?
Is she applying for a job?
A job which has language as a (or the) primary focus? Such as librarian or literature critic?
They say Polish is a very difficult language. Would you agree?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 8:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wizardofnz:
Was she supposed to be doing the test at all? Yope, explore. Was she in the wrong class? No, FA. Was she younger than her classmates? Older? Yes. Is she an adult? Yes.

Was the test to talk about a book that she hadn't read? No. Was it about a book that was assigned to someone else, but she had read anyway and was able to give some basic insight into the questions? No.

Doriana:
I assume other students took the same test, correct? Technically, yes, but there is a FA. Were the other students native speakers? Yes.

Abc:
Responding to literature...
As in knowing her country's famous authors and their works?
As in reading one or a few paragraphs, and then responding to questions (comprehension test)? That was a comprehension test, but the above description may cause a misconception.
Is her occupation relevant? Yes.
Is the setting of the test relevant? Yes.
Is she applying for a job? No.
A job which has language as a (or the) primary focus? Such as librarian or literature critic? So no to these.
They say Polish is a very difficult language. Would you agree?
Yes, I think it may be very difficult as a foreign language. Also, many native speakers have problems with it :-)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 8:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the test being arranged for by her employer?
Is her occupation an academic one?
Does she work as a librarian?
Teacher?
Professor?
Lecturer of any kind?
Comprehension test - Did she have to read something, and then show that she had understood it properly?
Are the details of the test important?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Abc:
Is the test being arranged for by her employer? No.
Is her occupation an academic one? No.
Does she work as a librarian? No.
Teacher? No.
Professor? No.
Lecturer of any kind? Ocassionally, she did some lectures.
Comprehension test - Did she have to read something, and then show that she had understood it properly? Yesish.
Are the details of the test important? Yes, one more.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 10:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she an author?
Has she chosen to do the test?
Or is it mandatory?
Does she have an employer?
Is it the kind of test where you sit down at a desk, get a written assignment or set of problems, and write down your answer(s) as best you can (or the computerised equivalent)?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Abc:
Is she an author? Yes.
Has she chosen to do the test? She was asked to do the test, but she could refuse.
Or is it mandatory? For her, no.
Does she have an employer? Possibly, irrelevant.
Is it the kind of test where you sit down at a desk, get a written assignment or set of problems, and write down your answer(s) as best you can (or the computerised equivalent)? This is part of it, yes.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 12:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she tested on a book that she had written herself, perhaps under a nom de plume? And she had written it a long time ago and she'd forgotten what it was about?
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Lynne:
Was she tested on a book that she had written herself, perhaps under a nom de plume? Not a book, and she wrote under her own name. The rest is correct. And she had written it a long time ago and she'd forgotten what it was about? No.
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Did she do an exam that she'd written herself?
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Was the text the test was about a poem? a short story? a play?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 12:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lynne:
Did she do an exam that she'd written herself? No.

Doriana:
Was the text the test was about a poem? This. a short story? a play?

Does somebody want to put the pieces together?
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She had written a poem and then later did a test about that poem. Either she had forgotten what she'd written, or the examiners interpreted her poem differently to what she originally intended (so often the case with poetry!). Either way, she only got 60%.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 2:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lynne:
She had written a poem and then later did a test about that poem. Either she had forgotten what she'd written, or the examiners interpreted her poem differently to what she originally intended (so often the case with poetry!). Either way, she only got 60%. Yes :-)


***********SPOILER******************
Few years ago, journalists asked Polish famous poet (Literature Noble Prize Winner) to do the high school final test in literature. Test concerned analysis and interpretation of one of her poems. The poet's answers were graded accordingly to the official answering key, prepared by Ministry of Education. That's how the poet got only 60%.


Thanks for playing.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 3:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fun puzzle :-) I am not surprised though. I did a puzzle some years ago based on a science-fiction short story, where someone had managed to invent a time machine. He went back in time and took William Shakespeare with him to the 20th century. Shakespeare was then asked to write an essay on one of his own plays, and have it evaluated by a literature professor at a university. The professor, not knowing who had written the essay, flunked him.

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