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Al and Barbara are sports fans. Al roots for team A and Barbara roots for team B. Some time ago, Al and Barbara made a wager regarding their favorite teams. Al won the bet. Ironically, there was a point in which if team B had lost, Barbara would have won the bet. How is this possible?

By the way, neither of them bet against their own team.
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Do team A and team B play the same sport? If so, in the same league? Do they ever play against each other?
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Oh wait. Does the bet refer to one match only? The one in which they played against each other? Or does it refer to e.g. a whole season?
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Do team A and team B play the same sport? Yes If so, in the same league? Yope (Officially, No) Do they ever play against each other? Yes

Oh wait. Does the bet refer to one match only? Partially (Although "match" is not the correct term for this sport) The one in which they played against each other? Ditto Or does it refer to e.g. a whole season? Mostly, this
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Is the sport a ball game (in the broadest sense)? a track and field event? a water sport? a winter sport?

Do teams in this sport consist of 2 players? less than 5? less than 10? less than 15? more than that?
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Is the sport a ball game (in the broadest sense)? Yes a track and field event? No a water sport? No a winter sport? No

Do teams in this sport consist of 2 players? More less than 5? No less than 10? Sometimes.... Sometimes there are exactly 10 less than 15? Yes more than that? No

I guess you probably know which sport it is
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Baseball? Were they betting on who would do better? Is one an American League team and one a National League team? Officially, they're not separate organizations anymore.
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Baseball? Yes Were they betting on who would do better? Yes (Now you have to figure out what was their definition of "doing better".) Is one an American League team and one a National League team? Yes Officially, they're not separate organizations anymore. True, but sports are full of paradoxes. Baseball has one organization that they call two separate leagues. Another example of a sports paradox is that the NFL still refers to the first round of the playoffs as the "wildcard round" even though only half the teams in it are actually wildcards.
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Were they betting on the outcome of the World Series? The All-Star Game?
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Were they betting on the outcome of the World Series? That was part of the bet The All-Star Game? No
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Were they betting one one particular game in the Series? The entire Series?
Is more than one game relevant? Is which team is the home team relevant?
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Were they betting one one particular game in the Series? The entire Series?
Is more than one game relevant? Is which team is the home team relevant?

As far as the world series is concerned, the only thing that mattered was which team won the entire series. But the world series was only part of their bet.
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Hint: You can see the world series was part of the bet. If you read my previous responses, you get much information about the rest of the bet. Try to work from that.
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Hint: I realize that Americans would have an advantage on this puzzle, since they would be more familiar with the Major League Baseball playoff system. In case you are unfamiliar, it is explained very well at the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_postseason

It may also help to note that the bet took place during the 1994-2011 period. (Although it couldn't have taken place in 1994, since there was no World Series that year)
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Are any of the other rounds relevant? Wild card? LCS?
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Are any of the other rounds relevant? Wild card? I assume you mean LDS (there was no "Wild Card round" until 2012) LCS?

Although previous playoff rounds are not directly part of the bet, all of them certainly can affect the outcome of the bet
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Did their bet encompass more than one round?
If a team continued to advance, was the bet worth more if placed the round before? (By which I mean could bets be doubled/tripled/etc. if teams continued to advance.)
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Did their bet encompass more than one round? DOYD of "round"
If a team continued to advance, was the bet worth more if placed the round before? (By which I mean could bets be doubled/tripled/etc. if teams continued to advance.) No OTWT
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Another Hint: Reread my second post (The fourth post overall) of this puzzle carefully
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Well, this is going to sound strange, but I had a dream last night that they were playing a drinking game where you had to take one drink for each postseason game your team won, and the bet was whether you'd be able to do it. Is this at all close?
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Well, this is going to sound strange, but I had a dream last night that they were playing a drinking game where you had to take one drink for each postseason game your team won, and the bet was whether you'd be able to do it. Is this at all close?No
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Yet Another Hint: The bet was made before the regular season started.
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Am I correct in assuming that only one of the two teams in question is in the National League? and the other in the American League?

Was the bet which team of the two would go the furthest in the post-season? which team of the two would win the most games that season? Or does the bet encompass either of the two options above, but in relation to ALL the teams in MLB?

"there was a point in which if team B had lost" -- does this refer to a specific game? or series of games? Is the opponent team B would have lost to at this point relevant?
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Am I correct in assuming that only one of the two teams in question is in the National League? and the other in the American League? Yes to both

Was the bet which team of the two would go the furthest in the post-season? Not quite which team of the two would win the most games that season? Yes, (but not the entire bet) Or does the bet encompass either of the two options above, but in relation to ALL the teams in MLB? No

"there was a point in which if team B had lost" -- does this refer to a specific game? or series of games? This (Actually there was more than one such series) Is the opponent team B would have lost to at this point relevant? No

From this and the above posts you can see the two parts of the bet:
1) Who wins the most games
2) The world series

This puzzle is now very close to being solved. You just need to put the pieces together
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Is it who wins the most games, unless they meet in the World Series, in which case whoever wins that?
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Is it who wins the most games, unless they meet in the World Series, in which case whoever wins that?Yes!! Now you have enough information to answer the original question. Then, I will post the $sp01ler
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One of the teams was playing in the LCS and/or LDS and had won more games than the other during the season. They were facing elimination, but won and wound up advancing to the World Series, where they lost to the other team.
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One of the teams was playing in the LCS and/or LDS and had won more games than the other during the season. They were facing elimination, but won and wound up advancing to the World Series, where they lost to the other team.Close enough

************SPOILER*************************
This bet actually took place in 2000. ("Al" is actually my brother and "Barbara" is actually my mom. [Not their real names -- I changed the names for this puzzle])

Anyway, my brother is a Yankee fan and my mom is a Met fan. The bet was based on which team had the better regular season record, unless they met in a "Subway Series" in which case, the World Series would determine the winner. It turned out that the Mets won 94 games and the Yankees only won 87. So my brother's only hope of winning the bet was for the Mets and Yankees to both get to the World Series and the Yankees to win it. This is exactly what happened. It turns out that if the Mets had lost the NLDS to the Giants or the NLCS to the Cardinals, my mom would have won the bet.

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