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A temporary inconvenience was caused for one man. If another man had not taken a card, the inconvenience would have been greater.
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Can we call the first man Adam and the second man Brad?

Are Adam and Brandon alive at the same time? If so, do they know each other?

Relevant how much time passed between Brad's not taking the card and the inconvenience? If so, seconds? minutes? hours? days? weeks? months? years? decades? centuries?

a card = playing card? postcard? greeting card? business card? credit card? identity card?
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Access card? Photo? Card stock?
Taken: removed? Broght with him?
Any cards involved except the one taken by the other man?
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Corrections:
Are Adam and Brad alive at the same time?
... Brad's taking the card...
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Can we call the first man Adam and the second man Brad? Yes

Are Adam and Brad alive at the same time? Yes If so, do they know each other? Yes

Relevant how much time passed between Brad's taking the card and the inconvenience? If so, seconds? minutes? hours? I'm not sure, but let's say it was about an hour days? weeks? months? years? decades? centuries?

a card = playing card? postcard? greeting card? business card? credit card? identity card? None of these

Access card? Photo? Card stock? Not these either
Taken: removed? Yes... Brought with him? ...but he also did this
Any cards involved except the one taken by the other man? Yes, see my previous answer
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Did the card have relevant: writing? Magnet strip? Electronic chip? Color? Pictures? Holes? Material?
Was there wrong information on the card? Did Adam suffer the small inconvenience of missing information? Rather than a larger inconvenience of incorrect information?
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Did the card have relevant: writing? Magnet strip? Electronic chip? This Color? Pictures? Holes? Material?
Was there wrong information on the card? YOPE Did Adam suffer the small inconvenience of missing information? No Rather than a larger inconvenience of incorrect information? No
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Is it some sort of rewards card? membership card? insurance card?
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Is it some sort of rewards card? membership card? insurance card? No - remember, there is no magnet strip
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Is it a decoder card? For TV signals? Was it inserted into an electronic device when removed? Relevant what happened to the card after it was removed?
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Was it a memory card for a camera? A SIM card in a cell phone?

Was the consequence of the other man "taking the card" that a device failed to operate? that the data on the card was lost? was there data of an embarrassing or otherwise badly-reflecting nature on the card? or conversely, did taking the card mean that some data escaped destruction? or that the card was available to put into a device to MAKE it work?
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Is it a decoder card? For TV signals? No to these, but there is help on the way...
Was it inserted into an electronic device when removed? No Relevant what happened to the card after it was removed? No

Was it a memory card for a camera? No, but... A SIM card in a cell phone? Yes

Was the consequence of the other man "taking the card" that a device failed to operate? No that the data on the card was lost? No was there data of an embarrassing or otherwise badly-reflecting nature on the card? No or conversely, did taking the card mean that some data escaped destruction? No or that the card was available to put into a device to MAKE it work? No
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Was the card used for something other than its intended purpose (i.e., to put into a cell phone)? for instance simply as a thin object that could be wedged into a small space?
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Was the card used for something other than its intended purpose (i.e., to put into a cell phone)? No for instance simply as a thin object that could be wedged into a small space? No
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When the card was "taken", does this mean that it was removed from a cell phone? If so, was another card inserted in its place? Was the "taken" card inserted into a different cell phone? did that phone already have a card in it?

Was a cell phone that held the card at some point in time used somehow to escape the inconvenience?
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When the card was "taken", does this mean that it was removed from a cell phone? Yes If so, was another card inserted in its place? And Yes
Was the "taken" card inserted into a different cell phone? No did that phone already have a card in it? So No

Was a cell phone that held the card at some point in time used somehow to escape the inconvenience? No
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RECAP:

Brad took a SIM card out of a cell phone and replaced it with another. This resulted in a temporary inconvenience for Adam. If he hadn't swapped the SIM cards, it would have brought about a greater inconvenience for Adam.
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Huh, I didn't realize we had established that the temporary inconvenience was caused by the taking of the card (I had assumed, in fact, that the inconvenience itself was caused by something unrelated to the puzzle, but taking the card somehow made the inconvenience only temporary).

Now with this FA cleared, and with the information about the swapped cards...
Is it relevant who owned the cards (as in, who had the contract/account with the phone company that the cards were associated with)? If so, were they both Adam's? both Brad's? one of each?

Was someone led to believe that a different person made a call than the person who actually did, due to a different SIM card being used?
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Huh, I didn't realize we had established that the temporary inconvenience was caused by the taking of the card (I had assumed, in fact, that the inconvenience itself was caused by something unrelated to the puzzle, but taking the card somehow made the inconvenience only temporary). Clearly I made a mistake in the recap. The inconvenience was NOT caused by the swapping of the cards. This is what happens when I forget the details of my own puzzles...

Now with this FA cleared And un-cleared, and with the information about the swapped cards...


Is it relevant who owned the cards (as in, who had the contract/account with the phone company that the cards were associated with)? Yes If so, were they both Adam's? The swapped-out one both Brad's? The swapped-in one, but it was not the card for his cell phone one of each?

Was someone led to believe that a different person made a call than the person who actually did, due to a different SIM card being used? No
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Is it relevant who was billed for a call?
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Is it relevant who was billed for a call? No
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Did Brad remove the card because it was part of his job? (Example: If he worked for Verizon)
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Did Brad remove the card because it was part of his job? No (Example: If he worked for Verizon)
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Newb question, what does FA stand for?
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Newb question, what does FA stand for? False Assumption - welcome to the forum!

RECAP plus A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION since there's been no questions in a week:

Brad took the SIM card out of Adam's cell phone and replaced it with another working card. This resulted in a temporary inconvenience for Adam. If he hadn't swapped the SIM cards, it would have brought about a greater inconvenience for Adam.
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Was the first card used for something relevant, after it was removed? Did the second card have a different phone number? Was it different in some other relevant way? did Adam use the first card to make relevant call(s)? Did Adam use the second card to make relevant call(s)? Vendor lock-in of phone relevant? Vendor of first card relevant? Or of second card? Cost of phone calls relevant? Using the phone for other communication than phone calls relevant?
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Was the first card used for something relevant, after it was removed? Did the second card have a different phone number? Yes, and this is important. Every other question is No Was it different in some other relevant way? did Adam use the first card to make relevant call(s)? Did Adam use the second card to make relevant call(s)? Vendor lock-in of phone relevant? Vendor of first card relevant? Or of second card? Cost of phone calls relevant? Using the phone for other communication than phone calls relevant?
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Because the number was different, did Adam: miss a call? Get a call he otherwise would not have gotten? Did Adam know the card had been replaced? Did he know the old number? Did he know the new number? Did a relevant person know the old number? Or the new number?
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Because the number was different, did Adam: miss a call? No Get a call he otherwise would not have gotten? YOPE Did Adam know the card had been replaced? No - this is important Did he know the old number? Yes Did he know the new number? No Did a relevant person know the old number? No Or the new number? Yes - more than 1 person
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Did people call the new number? Did the phone ring at a relevant point in time? Relevant if he answers the call? Was there more than one relevant call? When he gets a call, does the phone ring? Vibrate? Relevant?
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Did people call the new number? Yes Did the phone ring at a relevant point in time? Yes Relevant if he answers the call? No Was there more than one relevant call? Yes When he gets a call, does the phone ring? Vibrate? Relevant? Irrel
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Did Adam realize who the people were who called? or at least, what their numbers were? Did this surprise him? Did he know any of those people?
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Did Adam realize who the people were who called? Yesish (see last answer) or at least, what their numbers were? Irrel Did this surprise him? Yes Did he know any of those people? No
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Did Adam take any relevant actions in response to getting (seemingly) random calls from strangers? Did he receive any information from them? Is it relevant that the person those people intended to call did NOT receive the calls?
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Did Adam take any relevant actions in response to getting (seemingly) random calls from strangers? Not relevant to the puzzle, no Did he receive any information from them? No Is it relevant that the person those people intended to call did NOT receive the calls? FA!
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So did the people actually intend to call Adam, but dialed the wrong number? or did two different phones ring in response to the calls, one Adam's and one Brad's?
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So did the people actually intend to call Adam Yes..., but dialed the wrong number? No! or did two different phones ring in response to the calls, one Adam's and one Brad's? No
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Did the people know Adam's new number because Adam had called someone using the phone with the new card (without realizing the card had changed)?

Were the callers annoying, and Adam realized that they would not have his "real" number, which meant they could not annoy him once he went back to using it (but would probably annoy Brad instead haha)?
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Did the people know Adam's new number because Adam had called someone using the phone with the new card (without realizing the card had changed)? No

Were the callers annoying, Yope and Adam realized that they would not have his "real" number, FA which meant they could not annoy him once he went back to using it Yes (but would probably annoy Brad instead haha) No ?
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Telemarketers relevant? Other unwanted calls?
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Telemarketers relevant? No Other unwanted calls? Yes
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Are the unwanted callers trying to collect money owed by someone? Did they have a personal dispute with Adam or Brad?

Are the phone numbers themselves (besides the fact that they correspond with the cards) relevant? Do the callers think they belong to someone famous or otherwise well known, like in the rather recent puzzle on here about some "Jenny" from a song?
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Are the unwanted callers trying to collect money owed by someone? No Did they have a personal dispute with Adam or Brad? No

Are the phone numbers themselves (besides the fact that they correspond with the cards) relevant? Like, the digits in the number? See next answer Do the callers think they belong to someone famous or otherwise well known, Yes like in the rather recent puzzle on here about some "Jenny" from a song? But not like this
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HINT: Brad did another relevant action besides swapping the SIM cards.
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The other relevant thing: did he give the new number to anyone relevant? Or the old number? Relevant where he got the new SIM card? or how? Or when? did the SIM really belong to someone famous before? Did Brad swap the cards intentionally? did he mean to cause the temporary inconvenience? Did he mean to prevent the greater inconvenience?
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The other relevant thing: did he give the new number to anyone relevant? Yes Or the old number? No
Relevant where he got the new SIM card? No or how? No Or when? No did the SIM really belong to someone famous before? No
Did Brad swap the cards intentionally? Yes did he mean to cause the temporary inconvenience? Yes Did he mean to prevent the greater inconvenience? Irrel
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Did he give the number to one person? A group? The public+ Did he publish it? Did he do it as a joke? Prank? Revenge?
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Did he give the number to one person? A group? Yes The public+ Well, a group of the public Did he publish it? Did he do it as a joke? Yes Prank? Yes Revenge?

This is basically solved now.

****SPOILER****

This was a prank from RTX 2013 (video here). One panelist ("Brad") staged an argument with another ("Adam"), then gave out Adam's phone number, apparently as revenge. Adam then reappeared at the panel, having been inundated with phone calls. However, Brad had swapped out Adam's SIM card beforehand and gave out that number, meaning Adam wouldn't have the bigger inconvenience of having to change his phone number later.

Nice work Galfisk on working through this puzzle.

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