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Alice and Bob were talking. When Alice mentioned something, Bob replied: "What? That doesn't make any sense!" However, what she said made perfect sense to Alice. Can you explain what happened?
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Alice = H/A/F? Bob = H/A/M? Do they know each other? If so, are they relatives? friends? co-workers? in a relationship?

Language differences relevant? Cultural differences relevant?
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Alice = H/A/F? yes Bob = H/A/M? yes Do they know each other? If so, are they relatives? friends? co-workers? in a relationship? irrelevant

Language differences relevant? yes Cultural differences relevant? and yes
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Indonesia relevant at all? If so, is Alice from Indonesia? Bob?

Do they speak English to each other? Is English Alice's native native languge? Bob's?

American vs. British English relevant?
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Indonesia relevant at all? If so, is Alice from Indonesia? Bob? no to these, the title isn't really relevant

Do they speak English to each other? yes Is English Alice's native native languge? no Bob's yes?

American vs. British English relevant? no
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Is Alice's first language relevant? Relevant where she is from? Relevant where Bob is from?
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Is Alice's first language relevant? yes Relevant where she is from? yes Relevant where Bob is from? noish
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Is Alice from North America? South America? Africa? Europe? Asia? Oceania/Australia?
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Is Alice from North America? South America? Africa? Europe? this Asia? or this Oceania/Australia?
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Is Alice Russian? Turkish?
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Is Alice Russian? this Turkish?
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Olympics relevant? Any other current events in Russia?

Does Alice misuse an English word? idiom?
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Olympics relevant? no Any other current events in Russia? no

Does Alice misuse an English word? idiom? no to these
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HINT

Try to figure out what Alice and Bob were talking about.
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Is Alice talking about a place, a person, or another proper noun that (homonymically or otherwise) sounds like bad English to the uninitiated?

Would a native speaker of English with a level of knowledge on the subject equal to Alice's use the same words as she did, and be equally misunderstood?
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Is Alice talking about a place, a person, or another proper noun that (homonymically or otherwise) sounds like bad English to the uninitiated? no

Would a native speaker of English with a level of knowledge on the subject equal to Alice's use the same words as she did, and be equally misunderstood? no
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Were they talking about something related to Russia? If so, its history? culture? politics? cuisine? geography? sports?
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Were they talking about something related to Russia? If so, its history? culture? politics? cuisine? geography? sports? no to these
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Are they talking about politics? Sports? Education? Academics? Religion? Drugs? Sex? Art? Relationships? Medicine? Travel? Computers? Food? Drink? Smoking? Language?
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Are they talking about politics? Sports? Education? Academics? Religion? Drugs? Sex? Art? this Relationships? Medicine? Travel? Computers? Food? Drink? Smoking? Language?
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Is the Art painting? Photography? Drawing? Play? Movie? Poetry? Book of any kind?
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Is the Art painting? Photography? Drawing? Play? Movie? Poetry? Book of any kind? this
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Is the book fictional? Real? If real, relevant exactly which book it is?

Is it a novel? Or other kind of book?
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Is the book fictional? Real? this If real, relevant exactly which book it is? yes

Is it a novel? Or other kind of book? This is interesting. I've always thought of it as a novel, but apparently it's not
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Is it a Russian book? If so, a well-known one?
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Is it a Russian book? If so, a well-known one? no to these
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Is it originally an English language book? If so, American? English? Irish? Scottish? Welsh? Canadian? Australian?

Had they both read it? Is it a novella?

Is it fiction? One writer? If so, male?

Is it from 20th century? 19th? 18th? Before?

Does the book involve Russia in some way?
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Is it originally an English language book? yes If so, American? English? this Irish? Scottish? Welsh? Canadian? Australian?

Had they both read it? yes Is it a novella? no

Is it fiction? yes One writer? yes If so, male? and yes

Is it from 20th century? 19th? this 18th? Before?

Does the book involve Russia in some way? no
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Did it come out in 1800s? 10s? 20s? 30s? 40s? 50s? 60s? 70s? 80s? 90s?
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Did it come out in 1800s? 10s? 20s? 30s? 40s? 50s? 60s? 70s? 80s? 90s? this
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Was it a play?
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Was the author born in England? Russia? Is it Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness?
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Was the author born in England? Russia? neither Is it Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness? no
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Was it a play? no
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Was the author born in US America? South America? Central?

Asia? Europe? Middle East? Africa? Australia?

Is it written in 1st person?
Is it poetry?
Short story?

Is the location in which Alice & Bob's conversation takes place relevant?
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Was the author born in US America? South America? Central?

Asia? this Europe? Middle East? Africa? Australia?

Is it written in 1st person? no
Is it poetry? partly
Short story? a collection of stories

Is the location in which Alice & Bob's conversation takes place relevant? no
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Was the author born in China? India? Japan? Korea?
Taiwan? Indonesia? Singapore? Malaysia? Vietnam? Cambodia?
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Is it the Jungle Book?
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Was the author born in China? India? this Japan? Korea?
Taiwan? Indonesia? Singapore? Malaysia? Vietnam? Cambodia?

Is it the Jungle Book? yes. For some reason, I didn't consider the non-Mowgli stories from "The Jungle Book" (like "Rikki-Tikki-Tavi") a part of it, and thought of it as a novel about Mowgli
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Were they talking about Mowgli?
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Were they talking about Mowgli? no
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Were they talking about a specific part of the book?
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Were they talking about a specific part of the book? no
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Were they talking about the book in general?
How it related to something else?
The life of the author?
The effect on culture?
The Russian translation?
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Were they talking about the book in general?
How it related to something else? could be this
The life of the author?
The effect on culture? or this,
The Russian translation?
but the exact topic is more or less irrelevant, what's relevant is that something from "The Jungle Book" was discussed
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HINT:

Bob has read "The Jungle Book" in the original English. Alice has read the Russian translation. This is relevant, as is a certain character from "The Jungle Book"
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Is one particular character relevant? Does this character have a different name in the Russian edition?
Baloo the bear relevant? who is described as a brown bear, but there are no brown bears in India?
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Is one particular character relevant? yes Does this character have a different name in the Russian edition? no
Baloo the bear relevant? who is described as a brown bear, but there are no brown bears in India? no, it's not Baloo
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Is the character described differently in the Russian version? Is it an animal? If so, is it a different animal in the translation? Is the character male in the English version and female in the Russian one (or the other way round)?
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Is the character described differently in the Russian version? yesish Is it an animal? yes If so, is it a different animal in the translation? no Is the character male in the English version and female in the Russian one (or the other way round)? yes, that's it - male in English, female in Russian
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Did Alice refer to Bagheera as "she"?
Was it that what Bob did not understand?
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I've watched both animated movies of the Jungle Book, the Russian version and the Disney one. And I always wondered why Bagheera was she in the Russian and he in the USian (and also the characters were completely different). But it makes sense in both versions.
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Sundowner

Did Alice refer to Bagheera as "she"? yes
Was it that what Bob did not understand? and yes

=================SPOILER==================
Alice, who is Russian, and Bob, who is American, were discussing "The Jungle Book", and Bob was really confused when Alice referred to Bagheera as "she", because he clearly remembered that Bagheera was male. However, in the Russian translation that Alice had read Bagheera is indeed female. The reason for this is purely linguistical: the word "panther" in Russian is feminine, as are most nouns ending in "-a", so it would be much easier for the translator if Bagheera the panther were female. Of course, one could consider this gender change a bad move, and I've heard someone claim that certain portions of the book make less sense with a female Bagheera, but I personally love the Russian translation of "The Jungle Book".
On another note, I'm a bit surprised they didn't change the gender in the movie dubs. I've seen the Disney version with Russian dub once and I'm sure it was long before I learned that Bagheera was originally male, and somehow I didn't notice that the voice actor was clearly not female

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