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Nimue (Nimue)
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My 80th poem will be published soon, so here is a passive scrund about getting poetry published, i.e., a fact you'll probably find surprising even if you've never thought about the matter. What is it?
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Is the scrund about being paid? how much you are paid? or the method used to calculate how much you are paid e.g. per line, word? Or when (on publication, monthly, etc.)? Or that you can/cannot make a living being a poet?
Or does it not have anything to do with money at all?
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Is the scrund about being paid? no how much you are paid? noor the method used to calculate how much you are paid e.g. per line, word? noOr when (on publication, monthly, etc.)? no Or that you can/cannot make a living being a poet? no, although of course I can't!!
Or does it not have anything to do with money at all? yes
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Is it to do with how poems are selected for publication? who selects them? the ratio of submitted poems to published poems?
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Is it to do with how poems are selected for publication? yesish who selects them?yesish the ratio of submitted poems to published poems? no
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HINT: The answer goes against conventional wisdom about submitting material for publication in general.
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Is it to do with the qualifications of the people who review the poems?
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Is it to do with the qualifications of the people who review the poems? no
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Time span between submitting the poem and getting a response relevant? Time span between submission and publication relevant?
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Time span between submitting the poem and getting a response relevant? noTime span between submission and publication relevant? no
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RECAP: Add the following to the puzzle statement: The answer goes against conventional wisdom about submitting material for publication in general.The conventional wisdom is probably true for most material, but I have found it to be false for light verse.
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HINT: Find out just what aspect of light verse is relevant.
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Relevant that it's shorter than most other forms of literature? That it's usually humorous? That a lot of people write it?
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Relevant that it's shorter than most other forms of literature? yes That it's usually humorous? yesThat a lot of people write it? Actually, not a lot of people write it, & that's relevant.
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Does this fact make getting a poem published harder that most of us would think? Does it make it easier than most of us think?

does it matter whether the poem rhymes or not?
is the conventional wisdom true for getting jokes published? (jokes are usually as short or shorter than poems)
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Does this fact make getting a poem published harder that most of us would think? yope Does it make it easier than most of us think?yope

does it matter whether the poem rhymes or not? It probably applies more to rhyming poems
is the conventional wisdom true for getting jokes published? I doubt it but am not sure. (jokes are usually as short or shorter than poems)
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HINT: Think about the various places that might publish poetry.
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RECAP: Add the following to the puzzle statement: This scrund applies to short, humorous (usually rhyming) poetry.
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The various places that might publish poetry... are any of the following relevant: newspapers? websites? magazines? journals? anthologies?
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The various places that might publish poetry... are any of the following relevant: newspapers? yes websites? yes magazines? yes journals? yes anthologies? yes
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Relevant how more or less likely it is to have poetry published in any of these media?
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Relevant how more or less likely it is to have poetry published in any of these media? yes
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Do people think it's more likely to have something published in a medium with a wide circulation? a narrow circulation?
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Do people think it's more likely to have something published in a medium with a wide circulation? irrel a narrow circulation? irrel
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HINT: What is the most obvious advice imaginable about where to submit work? So obvious you might consider it not worth mentioning.
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In your hint, are you referring to the most obvious place to submit poems specifically, or any writing in general?
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In your hint, are you referring to the most obvious place to submit poems specifically, or any writing in general? I'm referring to general, really obvious, advice about where to submit any type of writing. The surprise is that it doesn't seem to hold for light verse.
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Is the internet particularly relevant?
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Is the internet particularly relevant? not at all
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Is the scrund related to how many publishers you should send the poems to? How many poems you should submit at a time?
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Is the scrund related to how many publishers you should send the poems to? no How many poems you should submit at a time? no
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HINT: Why don't you submit a poem to a law journal?
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Because lawyers don't like poetry? xD

I dunno, what if they wanted a poem about lawyers? or laws? Maybe the laws would be more interesting if they rhymed ^_^
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Because lawyers don't like poetry? xD no

I dunno, what if they wanted a poem about lawyers? or laws? Maybe the laws would be more interesting if they rhymed ^_^ Well, why might you assume that they wouldn't want such a poem?
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Maybe they'd sue me if they didn't like it?
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Maybe they'd sue me if they didn't like it?No. My hint could have been to think about why you wouldn't send a poem to a math journal, or The Wall Street Journal, or. . . .
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*shrugs* I dunno...they just don't have poetry in their publications? Though I don't see why not, as poetry might liven them up.

There once was a calculus prof
Tortie's class she started off
With a smile on her face,
"This is your happy place!"
The madness just ticked Tortie off.

~Me

(For those of you who weren't here/don't remember her, Tortie is the nickname of my sibling)
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*shrugs* I dunno...they just don't have poetry in their publications? Yes, that's why!! Now the puzzle should be easy to solve!! Though I don't see why not, as poetry might liven them up.
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Is the scrund that you shouldn't send poetry to publications that usually don't have poetry?
Is it more likely to have poetry published in a publication that usually doesn't have poems?
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Is the scrund that you shouldn't send poetry to publications that usually don't have poetry? yes
Is it more likely to have poetry published in a publication that usually doesn't have poems? This has often worked for me

********** SPOILER **********
One of the most obvious rules about submitting work for publication is not to submit a type of work to a publication that normally doesn't publish that type of work. This seems sensible; you obviously wouldn't submit a short story to a math journal or a mathematical theorem to a newspaper. But I've had slightly over 80 poems published & have often had the best luck with places that don't normally publish poetry. I write short, rhyming light verse, & when I send it to a place that doesn't run poetry, the editor may think, Well, it's a change of pace & is short, & may amuse people. But if you submit poetry to a literary quarterly, you're competing with lots of other people who write poetry. Please compete to solve my new puzzle at the bottom of the page.

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