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Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Thursday, February 20, 2014 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A physiotherapist is monitoring a patient from an adjoining room when the patient becomes frightened. Within seconds, they are both dead. What happened?

True story, so early spoliers et caetera
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physiotherapist = H/A/M? F?
patient = H/A/M? F?

Did they both die from the same cause? Were they murdered?

Relevant what the patient was doing when he became frightened?

Would the same thing have happened if the physiotherapist had been in the same room as the patient?
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physiotherapist = H/A/M? F? HAF, although gender is irrelevant
patient = H/A/M? F? neither

Did they both die from the same cause? yes Were they murdered? no

Relevant what the patient was doing when he became frightened? before - no. During - yes

Would the same thing have happened if the physiotherapist had been in the same room as the patient? yes
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Is the patient a child? If so, less than 5 years old? 6-10? 11-14? older than 14?
Is the patient an animal? If so, a dog? a cat? a horse?

Any other people relevant?

Was the patient doing some kind of exercise? Was s/he relaxing?
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Is the patient a child? no If so, less than 5 years old? 6-10? 11-14? older than 14?
Is the patient an animal? yes If so, a dog? a cat? a horse? this

Any other people relevant? no

Was the patient doing some kind of exercise? yope Was s/he relaxing? and yope
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Does the horse (M? F?) become frightened because of something it sees? something it hears?
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Does the horse (M? F?) irrel become frightened because of something it sees? something it hears? irrel to both
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So the thing that frightens the horse is not the cause of both deaths? Or is it?
Are the deaths a result of an action taken by the therapist in response to seeing the horse become frightened?
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So the thing that frightens the horse is not the cause of both deaths? correct! Or is it? no
Are the deaths a result of an action taken by the therapist in response to seeing the horse become frightened? no
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Do both the horse and the person die from the same thing? Is it the horse's response to the scary thing that causes both deaths?
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Was the therapist killed by a kick to the head?
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Ixoye724:

Do both the horse and the person die from the same thing? yes Is it the horse's response to the scary thing that causes both deaths? yes

Balin:

Was the therapist killed by a kick to the head? No, but explore
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Does the horse trample the therapist? Break something?
Electricity involved? Water? Fire?
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Does the horse trample the therapist? no Break something? <b>yesish</b?>
Electricity involved? yesish Water? Fire? no to rest
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Is either one electricuted? Stabbed?
Are the rooms separated by a glass window, I presume? Does the horse break the window?
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Is either one electricuted? no Stabbed? no
Are the rooms separated by a glass window, I presume? fa, although not relevant Does the horse break the window? no
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Were they in a building? Or a stable? Relevant?
Relevant at all the horse's wear? A saddle? Horseshoes? Bridle?
Relevant what the therapist was testing? Was she using medical tools? Machines?
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Were they in a building? yes Or a stable? no Relevant? yes, explore
Relevant at all the horse's wear? yes A saddle? no Horseshoes? yes Bridle? no
Relevant what the therapist was testing? yesish Was she using medical tools? noish Machines? this
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Were they in a hospital? House? Multi-story building? Vet clinic? Laboratory?
Was a machine connected to the horse? Being used by the horse? Tread mill, or other exercise machine?
Did the horse break something with its horseshoes? Connect with anything electric?
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Were they in a hospital? House? Multi-story building? Vet clinic? this-ish Laboratory? no to rest
Was a machine connected to the horse? yesish Being used by the horse? yesish Tread mill, or other exercise machine? no to rest
Did the horse break something with its horseshoes? yes Connect with anything electric? no
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Is magnetism relevant? Relevant that horseshoes are made of metal? Was she using some kind of scanner? Was she testing some of the horses vital signs (pulse rate, etc?)

Did the horse break the machine?

Did they die of suffocation? Blunt trauma? Did something collapse? The building?
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Is magnetism relevant? no Relevant that horseshoes are made of metal? but yes Was she using some kind of scanner? no Was she testing some of the horses vital signs (pulse rate, etc?) these are being monitored, but the purpose of the exercise is not strictly diagnostic

Did the horse break the machine? yope

Did they die of suffocation? Blunt trauma? no to both Did something collapse? yes, strictly speaking The building? yes, strictly speaking
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Does the horse react to the scare by jumping? Rearing up on its hind legs? Kicking something?

Are the horse and therapist electrocuted?

Longshot - is this happening in space, and the horse does something to cause rapid oxygen loss in the room?
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Does the horse react to the scare by jumping? no Rearing up on its hind legs? no Kicking something? yes!

Are the horse and therapist electrocuted? no

Longshot - is this happening in space, and the horse does something to cause rapid oxygen loss in the room? No, but some aspects of your suggestion are very ORT
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Does the horse kick the machine? Window? Wall? Therapist?
Are they on a boat? Or submarine/underwater building?
Did they die from lack of oxygen?
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Does the horse kick the machine? no Window? no Wall? yes Therapist? no
Are they on a boat? Or submarine/underwater building? no to both
Did they die from lack of oxygen? no
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Did they drown? Crushed to death? Fall? Impaled? Burned?
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Did they drown? Crushed to death? Fall? Impaled? Burned? none of these were the cause of death
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Annuerism? Heart Attack? Explosion? Eardrumms exploded?

Did the horse kick anything relevant on the wall, or just the wall was enough?

Did the horse knock the wall down? Kick a hole in it? Did it kick the wall separating it and the therapist?
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Annuerism? Heart Attack? Explosion? yes Eardrumms exploded? no to rest

Did the horse kick anything relevant on the wall, yesish or just the wall was enough? no

Did the horse knock the wall down? no Kick a hole in it? yope! Did it kick the wall separating it and the therapist? irrelevant
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I wondered if you would consider "burned" and "explosion" the same. Did the explosion include fire? Or a burst of air or another gas? Did the horse kick an oxygen tank?

When the horse kicked the wall, did gas enter the room? And explode? Did something enter the room? Was another room next to the one with the horse? Or did it kick an exterior wall?
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I wondered if you would consider "burned" and "explosion" the same. I wouldn't consider being 'burned' to be the cause of death in this case, in much the same way I wouldn't declare a drowned former passenger on the Titanic to have died of 'hypothermia'. Did the explosion include fire? yes Or a burst of air or another gas? the effect was more incendiary Did the horse kick an oxygen tank? no, but ORT

When the horse kicked the wall, did gas enter the room? no And explode? no Did something enter the room? no Was another room next to the one with the horse? not relevantly Or did it kick an exterior wall? the specific wall it kicked was irrelevant
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I know a sudden intake of oxygen can turn a small flame into an explosion. Is this the case here? Did the horse kicked something that release a large amount of oxygen?
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I know a sudden intake of oxygen can turn a small flame into an explosion. Is this the case here? There was no pre-existing flame Did the horse kicked something that release a large amount of oxygen? no
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Was the explosion a chemical one? Nuclear? Mechanical? Electrical?
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Was the explosion a chemical one? this, no to rest Nuclear? Mechanical? Electrical?
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Relevant what chemical?
Did the horse knock over chemicals? Kick them over when he kicked the wall?
Did multiple chemicals mix together to cause the explosion?
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Relevant what chemical? A chemical reaction occurred, that was enhanced greatly by the presence of oxygen. This puzzle does not involve chemicals that cannot be found in abundance all over the world, including the room you are currently in.
Did the horse knock over chemicals? no Kick them over when he kicked the wall? no
Did multiple chemicals mix together to cause the explosion? yes, but see first response.
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Oxygen tank involved?
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Oxygen tank involved? Yes, most relevantly. Come to think of it, my answer to the previous question 'Did the Horse kick an oxygen tank?' could have been yes. But there may be an element of DOYD. Do explore
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Did the horse kick something that contained pressurized air, not necessarily an oxygen tank? Did it kick something that would rapidly release oxygen and cause an explosion?

It has been discovered that the horse kicked a hole in the wall, but is that the only damage done by the kick? Did the horse kick more than once, hitting something else besides the wall?
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Did the horse kick something that contained pressurized air, yes, strictly speaking not necessarily an oxygen tank? what it kicked could be described as an oxygen tank. But it's probably not the first thing that comes to mind when one says 'oxygen tank'. Did it kick something that would rapidly release oxygen and cause an explosion? no - the 'release' of oxygen, or any other chemical, did not occur

It has been discovered that the horse kicked a hole in the wall this is still a yope, by the by, but is that the only damage done by the kick? the explosion heard thirty kilometres away notwithstanding, yes Did the horse kick more than once, hitting something else besides the wall? no
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Was the kicked object a tire? a balloon of some type? if not, was it something else made of rubber?

Or, was the room itself filled with pressurized oxygen or air? in order to allow the horse to exercise more efficiently? or is this entire building somewhere (e.g. underwater) where there wouldn't be enough air without pumping it in?
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Was the kicked object a tire? a balloon of some type? if not, was it something else made of rubber? no

Or, was the room itself filled with pressurized oxygen or air? YES! in order to allow the horse to exercise more efficiently? Essentially, in order for it to heal more quickly. The specifics of the use of hyperbaric chambers in equine therapy are irrelevant or is this entire building somewhere (e.g. underwater) where there wouldn't be enough air without pumping it in? no
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So the whole room/building basically popped like a giant balloon? Is there more to it?
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If I've read over this thread correctly, we have established that a horse yopishly kicked a hole in the wall of a hyperbaric chamber and caused an explosion.

It looks like you're suggesting that the cause of death was explosive decompression, which it wasn't. The facts of the case suggest that the chamber was strong/well-designed enough to prevent this particular outcome. But something did go horribly wrong.
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Well if the horse was wearing metal horseshoes then it could have made a spark when it kicked something, and in a chamber filled with oxygen this would have set off an explosion. Is this what happened?
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Well if the horse was wearing metal horseshoes then it could have made a spark when it kicked something, and in a chamber filled with oxygen this would have set off an explosion. Is this what happened? Precisely.

***** SPOILER *****

Both physiotherapist and horse died when the horse she was treating in a hyperbaric chamber kicked the wall, released a spark from its horseshoes and triggered an explosion.

The wall of the chamber had been padded to prevent such an outcome, but the force of the kick was enough to breach the padding. The horse had not been sedated, as it had proven very calm and docile in all previous sessions.


Well done to all, especially Ixoye and Konnie. Time to think of some more puzzles.
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So...another case of "yesterday's tragedy is today's lateral puzzle." This was a good one, and it reminds me of something that happened in my town about 30 years ago. There is a printing facility about a mile from the house I grew up in, and in an area of the building are large tanks that store flammable gasses. One of these tanks needed to be cleaned, and part of the cleaning process involved using a propane torch. The tanks were supposed to have all gas evacuated before the cleaning process began, which started by a person climbing into the tank. When the person entered the tank, they mistakenly assumed that all gas had been removed, and they lit a propane torch which ignited the remaining fumes and set off a huge explosion which we felt at our house, and people in a 5-6 mile radius of the building also reported feeling it (some reported that it caused objects to fall, similar to what happens in an earthquake). I guess these cases prove the point that one can never be too careful or take too many precautions.

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