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Alexanderhamilton (Alexanderhamilton)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 3:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While rewatching The Matrix recently, I noticed an obvious mistake. I had watched the movie plenty of times, but this particular mistake never really occurred to me. A quick Internet search makes me think practically no one considers it. I wonder if you can guess it?

Obviously, a very basic knowledge of The Matrix is necessary or helpful for this quiz. It's probably solvable if you're familiar with it, but haven't seen it.
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Does the mistake occur in a scene showing the real world, or the Matrix world?
Is it a one-time mistake, or something that is repeated throughout the movie?
Is it directly related to one of the characters?
Is it an error or hole in the plot?
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Was the mistake making sequels?
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Does the mistake occur in a scene showing the real world, or the Matrix world? Real world
Is it a one-time mistake, or something that is repeated throughout the movie? It's only visible for about a scene
Is it directly related to one of the characters? Yesish
Is it an error or hole in the plot? It'd call it just an 'error'

Was the mistake making sequels? Yes!
*******SPOILER*******
Nah, I'm just kidding.
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Good comment about the sequels. I couldn't even bear to watch the 3rd one.

Is something shown that is incongruent or out of place with the other items in the scene?
Is it a filming error (an object or person moves or changes positions when the camera angle changes)?
Is something shown that contradicts information given about the scene or the environment?
Is Neo in the scene with the error?
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Is something shown that is incongruent or out of place with the other items in the scene? Noish
Is it a filming error (an object or person moves or changes positions when the camera angle changes)? No
Is something shown that contradicts information given about the scene or the environment? Yesish
Is Neo in the scene with the error? Yes
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Does the error directly concern Neo? Or another character?
Does the error occur before Neo is put into the actual Matrix? Or while he is going through training/construct? Or before any of this? Or after?
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Does the error directly concern Neo? Or another character? It was Neo
Does the error occur before Neo is put into the actual Matrix? Well he starts out in the Matrix. It happens before he first intentionally enters the Matrix, if that's what you mean. Or while he is going through training/construct? Or before any of this? Before his training, too Or after?
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Ok, so it happens between the time he takes the pill and when he learns to fight?
Is the error revealed by a spoken line? Or by the action? Or something else?
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I've never watched The Matrix, but I'll try to help out.

Is the error contradictory to something said/occurred earlier? Later?

Is this a visual error? Auditory error?
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Ok, so it happens between the time he takes the pill and when he learns to fight? Yes
Is the error revealed by a spoken line? Or by the action? Or something else? I'd say its "revealed" by two things, one a visual image and the other a spoken line

I've never watched The Matrix, but I'll try to help out.

Is the error contradictory to something said/occurred earlier? Later? Later

Is this a visual error? This Auditory error?
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Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 9:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does a character describe a charcter incorrectly (say, they called someone brunette a blonde)? Or the environment? An object? An action? A machine?
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Does the error deal with Neo's abilities or skills? His physical appearance? His life in the real world? Something else?
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Does a character describe a charcter incorrectly (say, they called someone brunette a blonde)? Or the environment? An object? An action? A machine? The relevant spoken line doesn't say anything incorrect within the logic of the movie. Rather, the visual error doesn't jibe with the spoken line.
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Does the error deal with Neo's abilities or skills? His physical appearance? This His life in the real world? And this Something else?
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Is the line spoken by Neo? Morpheus? Trinity? Someone else?
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Is the line spoken by Neo? Morpheus? Trinity? Someone else? Morpheus says it.
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Did Neo's face/body not match up to Morpheus' line? he clothing? His job? His abilities?
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Did Neo's face/body not match up to Morpheus' line? His body he clothing? His job? His abilities?
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Is he in better/worse shape than Morpheus described?
Does it have to do with fitness? Height? Weight? Skin color?
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Specific body part relevant?
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Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 10:37 pm:
Is he in better/worse shape than Morpheus described?
Does it have to do with fitness? Height? Weight? Skin color? None of these

Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 10:37 pm:
Specific body part relevant? Yes
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Is it related to the places on his arms and head where the tubes were attached?

Or to what Morpheus says about Neo's brain/mind?
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Is it related to the places on his arms and head where the tubes were attached? Not really

Or to what Morpheus says about Neo's brain/mind? No
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Is the relevant body part his head? Hair? Hands? Arms? Legs? Feet? Face? Eyes? Chest? Inner organ(s)? Something else?

Does Morpheus say the line directly to Neo? Or to someone else, talking about Neo?
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Is the relevant body part his head? Hair? Hands? Arms? Legs? Feet? Face? Eyes? Chest? This is closest Inner organ(s)? Something else?

Does Morpheus say the line directly to Neo? This Or to someone else, talking about Neo?
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Chest is closest. So how about collarbone area? Ribcage area? Stomach? Shoulders?
And it's visible (not anything inside the body?)
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Something about the bug they put in his belly button? Something else about his stomach? His back?
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Chest is closest. So how about collarbone area? Ribcage area? Stomach? Not this exactly, but this is closest Shoulders?
And it's visible (not anything inside the body?) Yes

Something about the bug they put in his belly button? No, but... Something else about his stomach? Yesish His back? No
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Alex

Apologies for accidently filing this puzzle. The fake spoiler at the top caught me out.

Peter
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Ah, I wondered why it popped down to the bottom of the page. Well, maybe that'll get more questions going.
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Ribcage? Abdomin in general?
So Morpheus says something about Neo's stomach-ish area to Neo, then this is visibly contradicted later, correct?
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Ribcage? Abdomin in general? No to both
So Morpheus says something about Neo's stomach-ish area to Neo, then this is visibly contradicted later, correct? No, the order is that we see Neo's body, and what we see is contradicted by something Morpheus says later, along with an image shown at the same time.
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Does Morpheus make a literal comment about how Neo's stomach area looks? Should look? Or does he say something more metaphorical (ex. you have a good heart)?

Is something there that shouldn't be? Should something be there that isn't? Is the discepency in color? Shape? Condition?
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Does Morpheus make a literal comment about how Neo's stomach area looks? Should look? Or does he say something more metaphorical (ex. you have a good heart)? None of these, really

Is something there that shouldn't be? Yes Should something be there that isn't? Is the discrepancy in color? Shape? Condition? DYOD, "condition" could work
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Scar? Blemish? Belly button? Mark?
I'm totally fishing here.
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Hair? Isn't he bald when he comes out?
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Scar? Blemish? Belly button? This one Mark?
I'm totally fishing here.

Hair? Isn't he bald when he comes out? He is. Come to think of it, that's kind of odd, too...
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Wait, are people even born in The Matrix? Or do the machine things make them? In which case, Neo wouldn't have a belly button because he never had an umbilical cord?
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Wait, are people even born in The Matrix? Or do the machine things make them? In which case, Neo wouldn't have a belly button because he never had an umbilical cord? Bingo!

*****SPOILER*****
As Morpheus puts in later in the film "Human beings are no longer born, they are made." At the same time, images of massive human farms are showed, full of children being created in artificial wombs. The fetuses in the pods all lack umbilical cords. That's all good and well... but then why does Neo have a belly button?

A quick Google search told me that no one else had picked up on this mistake, probably because there is a more obvious one: Why are Neo's ears pierced? Good work to Konnie for the solve, despite having never even seen the movie!
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Wow, that's interesting. I can't believe no one's picked up on it.
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It is interesting. I guess the reason I didn't pick up on it (and I've seen the movie several times) is because when newborn babies are shown in the machines, they have numerous tubes connected to their chest and stomach area so it's not possible to see if they have belly buttons. I guess the question is if babies aren't formed in a womb but still have the nourishment they need, would they need a belly button/umbilical cord? Or do the machines have artificial cords? Or, since they are human babies after all, do they still develop the cord and the machine somehow removes it (if it doesn't naturally fall off)? In any case, this specific aspect of the human body's design is not discussed, so at the very least it is a plot hole or an overlooked detail, and thus it makes for a great lateral puzzle.

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