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Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Monday, March 03, 2014 - 9:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There is a gathering of about 20 people, who are very serious about the purpose of the gathering and their presence there. In one corner of the room, a big strong man severely beats a tiny woman. Another man is running towards them from another corner of the room with a doll in his hands. The rest of the participants laugh.

Whats going on?

This is a true story from my own experience. All people involved are human and adults.
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Are the strong man, tiny woman and doll man part of the 20 people? Or in addition to the 20? Are there other people present besides the 20 that arrived?
Is this gathering at a house? A church? A school? A place of business? A hotel? Outdoors? Indoors?
Are any police or other law enforcement people present? If so, do they arrest anyone? If there aren't any present, is there anything going on that would lead to someone being arrested if police were there?

Is the strong man beating the woman with his hands? With an object? Or is he "beating her" as in winning some kind of contest/game?

The man that's running with the doll - is it a Barbie doll, or something similar in size/style? Or more like a large baby-type doll? Or something else? CPR rescue doll? Does the man intend to talk to any of the observers? Does he want to show them the doll? Do the observers know he's holding a doll?

Is any of this being recorded on video? Is anyone outside of the gathering watching?
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Posted on Monday, March 03, 2014 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are those laughing some sort of audience? Or are they participating in some way?
Would anyone else be beaten at this meeting? By the strong man? Or someone else?
Does this occur at every meeting?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - 9:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ixoye:
Are the strong man, Yes. tiny woman Yes. and doll man Noish. part of the 20 people? Or in addition to the 20? Doll man is there in addition to the 20.
Are there other people present besides the 20 that arrived? No more people present than 20 people and the doll man.
Is this gathering at a house? A church? A school? A place of business? A hotel? None of these places, but would work as well in school, hotel and place of business. Outdoors? Indoors? Yes.
Are any police or other law enforcement people present? No. If so, do they arrest anyone? No. If there aren't any present, is there anything going on that would lead to someone being arrested if police were there? No.

Is the strong man beating the woman with his hands? Yes. With an object? No. Or is he "beating her" as in winning some kind of contest/game? No.

The man that's running with the doll - is it a Barbie doll, or something similar in size/style? No. Or more like a large baby-type doll? Noish. Or something else?Yes. CPR rescue doll? No, but very much OTRT. Does the man intend to talk to any of the observers? Yes. Does he want to show them the doll? Yes. Do the observers know he's holding a doll? Yes.

Konnie:
Are those laughing some sort of audience? At the moment, yes. Or are they participating in some way? Generally, yes.
Would anyone else be beaten at this meeting? Possibly. By the strong man? Unlikely. Or someone else? Possibly.
Does this occur at every meeting? Please specify or rephrase.

Is any of this being recorded on video? No. Is anyone outside of the gathering watching? No.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - 3:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has this same group of people met previously? If so, was it for the same purpose as this? For a different purpose? Have they met in this same place before?

Does the doll man want to sell the doll he is carrying to one of the people? Does he want to demonstrate something with the doll? Is the doll life-size (the size of an average adult)? Is it inflatable? Is it a mannequin? Do the observers know that it is a doll, or do they think it is something else? Does the doll look like a human? Or something else?

Is the strong man trying to harm the woman? Did they both arrive at this place at the same time? Did all 20 people arrive at the same time, or at various times/over a period of time? Did the woman expect to be beaten by the man before she entered the place? Did the man anticipate seeing the woman? Did he anticipate beating her? Was he commanded to beat her? Is he spanking her? Did he say anything to her before he started beating her? Did she say anything to him?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 2:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he giving her the Heimlich? Giving her CPR? Is the doll a training dummy of some sort? Does the man think that giving the doll CPR/the Heimlich will help the woman because he had to do it on the doll in training courses?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 9:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ixoye:
Has this same group of people met previously? Noish. If so, was it for the same purpose as this? No. For a different purpose? Have they met in this same place before?
They were in that place for a couple of days, for many purposes, only on one occassion.

Does the doll man want to sell the doll he is carrying to one of the people? No. Does he want to demonstrate something with the doll? Not at that time. Is the doll life-size (the size of an average adult)? Yope. Is it inflatable? It did not look as it was, but I'm not sure. Is it a mannequin? Yes, sort of. Do the observers know that it is a doll, or do they think it is something else? They know exactly what it is. Does the doll look like a human? Yope. Or something else? No.

Is the strong man trying to harm the woman? No. Did they both arrive at this place at the same time? Yes. Did all 20 people arrive at the same time Yes., or at various times/over a period of time? Did the woman expect to be beaten by the man before she entered the place? No. Did the man anticipate seeing the woman? Possibly, but not likely. Did he anticipate beating her? No. Was he commanded to beat her? Yope. Is he spanking her? No. Did he say anything to her before he started beating her? Yes. Did she say anything to him? No.

Gregoryuconn:
Is he giving her the Heimlich? Not yet, but very much OTRT. Giving her CPR? No. Is the doll a training dummy of some sort? Yes. Does the man think that giving the doll CPR/the Heimlich will help the woman because he had to do it on the doll in training courses? The doll man certainly thinks that his actions will help the woman.
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Are the people there for some kind of training? Self defense? Police? Fire rescue? Military?

Is the man beating the woman in an attempt to help her?
Is he trying to save her life? Is he doing CPR?

Does the doll man want to talk to any of the people? Show them something? Teach them something?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 2:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ixoye:
Are the people there for some kind of training? Yes. Self defense? Police? Fire rescue? Military? None of these.

Is the man beating the woman in an attempt to help her? Noish.
Is he trying to save her life? No. Is he doing CPR? No.

Does the doll man want to talk to any of the people? Yes. Show them something? Yes. Teach them something? Yes.
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Is this some sort of psychological test or experiment?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 8:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he demonstrating the Heimlich on her because they can't find the training dummy? And then doll man finds it?
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Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2014 - 9:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Solo1:
Is this some sort of psychological test or experiment? No.

Gregoryuconn:
Is he demonstrating the Heimlich on her Yes.. because they can't find the training dummy? No. And then doll man finds it? No.
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Is the man just demonstrating the Heimlich on the woman? Or did she need it to prevent choking?
Will the man with the doll demonstrate the Heimlich on the doll? Will anyone else do this?
Are the people being trained for a job? Is this training required before they can begin working for a person/company/position? Are they going to be trained in other life saving skills also?

When you say that the "rest of the participants laugh," does this mean that everyone besides the strong man, woman and doll man laugh? Or does this refer to other people? Do the 20 people know the doll man? Have the ever seen him before? Will he spend a lot of time with them? More than an hour? More than a day?
Will the people meet anyone else besides the doll man before they leave this place? Will they come back to this place another day? Before they leave will they be expected to know how to perform the Heimlich maneuver? Will they be expected to do anything else?

Is this lifeguard training by chance?
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Posted on Friday, March 07, 2014 - 9:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ixoye:
Is the man just demonstrating the Heimlich on the woman? Yes. Or did she need it to prevent choking? No, she is in perfectly good health and condition.
Will the man with the doll demonstrate the Heimlich on the doll? No. Will anyone else do this? Yes.
Are the people being trained for a job? No. Is this training required before they can begin working for a person/company/position? No. Are they going to be trained in other life saving skills also? Yes.

When you say that the "rest of the participants laugh," does this mean that everyone besides the strong man, woman and doll man laugh? The doll man laughed too. Strong man and woman were initially not so much amused, but later they laughed too. Or does this refer to other people? No. Do the 20 people know the doll man? Some of them met him before the training started, most have not. At the moment when this situation happened, everybody already knew him. Have the ever seen him before? See above. Will he spend a lot of time with them? No, just about two hours. More than an hour? More than a day?
Will the people meet anyone else besides the doll man before they leave this place? No. Will they come back to this place another day? No, that took place on the last day of training. Before they leave will they be expected to know how to perform the Heimlich maneuver? Yes. Will they be expected to do anything else? Yes.

Is this lifeguard training by chance? Yes it is. The lifeguard training was part of more complex training, but nothing more about the complex training is relevant.
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Did strong man think he was supposed to demonstrate the Heimlich on the woman, but he was meant to use the doll?
Like the doll man said, "Use the doll," and strong man thought this referred to the woman? And then once they started, doll man ran to get the doll and show him what he should be using?
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Is the lady the instructor/evaluator? And she said "Demonstrate the Heimlich for me" and he took that to mean on her?
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Konnie:
Did strong man think he was supposed to demonstrate the Heimlich on the woman, but he was meant to use the doll? No, but close.
Like the doll man said, "Use the doll," and strong man thought this referred to the woman? No. Strong man got the instruction right. And then once they started, doll man ran to get the doll That's correct. and show him what he should be using? No.

Gregoryuconn:
Is the lady the instructor/evaluator? No, not the lady. And she said "Demonstrate the Heimlich for me" and he took that to mean on her? No.
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Is doll man the instructor/evaluator? Big man?
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Gregoryuconn:
Is doll man the instructor/evaluator? Yes. Big man? No.
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Did the strong man properly demonstrate the maneuver on the lady? If not, did he injure her accidentally? Or do something embarrassing? Did the instructor get the doll so that the observers could see how to properly perform the technique?
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Ixoye:
Did the strong man properly demonstrate the maneuver on the lady? Yes. If not, did he injure her accidentally? Or do something embarrassing? Did the instructor get the doll so that the observers could see how to properly perform the technique? Yes, but his primary motive was different.
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Were the other people going to be performing other life-saving techniques? Such as mouth-to-mouth? Chest compressions? Using a defibrulator?
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Ixoye:
Were the other people going to be performing other life-saving techniques? Yes. Such as mouth-to-mouth? Chest compressions? Using a defibrulator? Yes, all of these plus some others.
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Does strong man think: the lady is in danger? The lady is a doll? does he think he is demonstrating? Or doing it for real? Is it relevant that the lady is small? Does he think that she is a child? Is the doll small?
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Galfisk:
Does strong man think: the lady is in danger? No. The lady is a doll? No. does he think he is demonstrating? Yes, and he was correct. Or doing it for real? No. Is it relevant that the lady is small? Only as it made the situation more humorous. Does he think that she is a child? No. Is the doll small? No.
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Does he think he should demonstrate on the lady? When he was supposed to use the dummy? Which is why the man comes running with the dummy?
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Galfisk:
Does he think he should demonstrate on the lady? Yes, and he was correct. When he was supposed to use the dummy? This too. Which is why the man comes running with the dummy? Yes.

That's close enough for the

********SPOILER*************
We were attending first aid trainig. The instructor organized the training in a way that participants were demonstrating techniques in pairs. Everyone in the group was once a "rescuer" and once a "victim".
All initial actions (like asking the victim what happened, judging his/her state, arranging his/her body in appropriate position) were performed on the other person in your pair, so that we could learn how to deal with a real human. The exact technique was performed on a dummy, to respect "victim"'s privacy. Only "victim" was told what the situation is, so that "rescuer" would be surprised by how it develops.

The pair described in the puzzle sequence got the situation of choking. The man (really strong man, I think he was physical education teacher) was supposed to recognize what was going on, hit the woman strongly at her back and then do the Heimlich. Instructor planned to give him the dummy (the specific one for Heimlich - only upper body) before hitting part. But he obviously was too slow and poor tiny girl got very strongly hit.


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