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Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 1:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

13 people in various places of business attempted to find out where the nearest bathroom was. They were all shot dead. Even though they did nothing wrong, I am very happy. Why?
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Are you happy because these specific 13 people were killed? Or did this cause something indirectly that made you happy?

13 women? men? both? Ages relevant? All adults? relevant that there were 13?

Were they shot by police officers? Military officers? Assassins? Random people?
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Are you happy because these specific 13 people were killed? No Or did this cause something indirectly that made you happy? This.

13 women? men? both? Ages relevant? All adults? Presumably adults. Other than that, irr. relevant that there were 13? It could have been more, but not less.

Were they shot by police officers? Possibly. Military officers? No Assassins? No Random people? Not random people most likely, but possibly some group of people not on this list.
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Were they killed legally? Or would this be considered murder? Country/time relevant?

Are their careers relevant? Is yours?

And we're talking literally shot to death, correct? Not like someone shot pictures of them when they were dead?
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Were they killed legally? Probably Or would this be considered murder? No CountryYope/time in the last couple decades. relevant?

Are their careers relevant? Is yours? No to all.

And we're talking literally shot to death, correct? Yes. Not like someone shot pictures of them when they were dead? No.
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Did the people directly ask someone where the bathroom was? Did they check a map? Did they ask whomever shot them?

Were they shot directly after trying to find the bathroom? Did anyone tell them where the bathroom was?

Did they somehow break a law? Enter a restricted zone? Did their question somehow imply ill intentions?

They were shot with a gun, correct?
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Did the people directly ask someone where the bathroom was? Noish Did they check a map? No Did they ask whomever shot them? Possibly.

Were they shot directly after trying to find the bathroom? Possibly, but definitely shortly thereafter. Did anyone tell them where the bathroom was? No.

Did they somehow break a law? Yes Enter a restricted zone? No Did their question somehow imply ill intentions? Yes, very much so.

They were shot with a gun, correct? Yes.
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When you say they did nothing wrong, do you mean only in asking where the bathroom was? Or did these people literally not deserve to die?

Language relevant? Did they write their question? Phone it in? Text it? Email it? Sign it?
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Did they, in fact ask where the bathrooms were? or did they try to locate the bathrooms by some other means?
If they asked, was their question misunderstood?
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Did this happen in 13 different places? Are there 13 different places in the world where this could have happened? (can it still happen?)
Did they ask where the bathroom is? or, rather, did they ask to be allowed to go to the bathroom?
Was there actually a bathroom nearby? Would going to the next bathroom involve a long trip? would it mean to go to a place where these people were not allowed to go? would it mean to cross a border?
Would it help to identify the kind of business where this happened? was it a prison? was it on a ship? was it the same kind of business in each of the 13 cases?
Did you benefit in any way from these incidents?
Did you know these people? Are their names known?
Would you have been equally happy if 13 different people were shot? if these 13 people would have died in some other way?
Were these 13 people higher than you in the succession list to the throne? (one never knows..)
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When you say they did nothing wrong, do you mean only in asking where the bathroom was? No, possible FA. Or did these people literally not deserve to die? DOYD, I guess. It might help to resolve your FA.

Language relevant? YesDid they write their question? possibly. Probably not, though. Phone it in? Text it? Email it? Sign it? None of these.

Did they, in fact ask where the bathrooms were? Yope or did they try to locate the bathrooms by some other means? No
If they asked, was their question misunderstood? Yes or yesish.

Did this happen in 13 different places? Irr Are there 13 different places in the world where this could have happened? (can it still happen?) Yope, FA.
Did they ask where the bathroom is? Yope or, rather, did they ask to be allowed to go to the bathroom? No
Was there actually a bathroom nearby? Irr, but probably. Would going to the next bathroom involve a long trip? Irr would it mean to go to a place where these people were not allowed to go? Assume no. would it mean to cross a border? No
Would it help to identify the kind of business where this happened? Not specifically. was it a prison? was it on a ship? was it the same kind of business in each of the 13 cases? No or irr to all of these.
Did you benefit in any way from these incidents?
Not directly, possible FA. Did you know these people? No, possibly FA. Are their names known? Irr.
Would you have been equally happy if 13 different people were shot? If they were shot under the same circumstances, yes. Again, FA. if these 13 people would have died in some other way? If it was for the same reason, then yes. Same FA.
Were these 13 people higher than you in the succession list to the throne? (one never knows..) No. Same FA.
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Clarification: There are two different FA's in the questions above.
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Does "13 people" = first "they" = second "they" in the puzzle statement?
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Does "13 people" = first "they" = second "they" in the puzzle statement? Yes
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Is this from a work of fiction? Is another work by the same author relevant?

Does this happen in a fictional place outside Earth? Are aliens involved? Is the behaviour of the people who need a bathroom mistaken for a sign of aggression? An attempt to flee? Were they held prisoners?
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Is this from a work of fiction? Is another work by the same author relevant? It's mostly FMOI. But the part about me being happy is true.

Does this happen in a fictional place outside Earth? Are aliens involved? No to these. Is the behaviour of the people who need a bathroom mistaken for a sign of aggression? Yes, I'd say so. DOYD of "behavior." An attempt to flee? No, but they may have attempted to walk away at some point and this may have been misinterpreted. Were they held prisoners? No.
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Have these deaths resulted in something that makes you happy? A new regulation? Or something made safer?
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Were those people terrorists? Were they taken for terrorists? Did they need bathrooms for physiological reasons?
Could they communicate in the language spoken in the places of business?
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Have these deaths resulted in something that makes you happy? Indirectly. A new regulation? No Or something made safer?No

Were those people terrorists? No Were they taken for terrorists? Yes. Did they need bathrooms for physiological reasons? As in, did they have to use the bathroom to relieve themselves? Yes.
Could they communicate in the language spoken in the places of business? NO! Good question.
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Slight blooper:

Were they taken for terrorists? Possibly, DOYD of "terrorist."
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Did they make a specific sign or gesture in order to find out where the bathroom is? Was this gesture by others understood as aggressive? violent? insulting? did it look like if they were pulling a gun?
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Did they make a specific sign or gesture in order to find out where the bathroom is? No, so no to rest. Was this gesture by others understood as aggressive? violent? insulting? did it look like if they were pulling a gun?
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Did they try to communicate in the host country's language and were grossly mistaken? Is a specific word relevant?
Did they rely on Monty Python-style dirty phrasebooks?

Are you happy because you set up a new record for most dead people in a lateral puzzle?
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Did they try to communicate in the host country's language and were grossly mistaken? Yes Is a specific word relevant? No
Did they rely on Monty Python-style dirty phrasebooks? Haha, I had to look that sketch up. You're OTRT, but not exactly right.

Are you happy because you set up a new record for most dead people in a lateral puzzle? YES! Good thinking! That was based on Wiz's puzzle from last year "48 leaves and a yahct." Now all you have to do is solve this puzzle.
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Had they had improper language training?
If so: By written words? By oral communication? By a prankster? By someone who didn't know better? By someone with a speech impediment?

Is the host country's specific language relevant? The men's native language?
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Had they had improper language training? Yes
If so: By written words? It was a book. By oral communication? By a prankster? Yes, but it probably goes beyond a "prank." By someone who didn't know better? Possible, but he would likely have been the victim of that prank himself if that's the case. By someone with a speech impediment? No

Is the host country's specific language relevant? The men's native language? Only that they weren't the same and neither spoke the other's language.
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Had they had improper language training? Yes
If so: By written words? It was a book. By oral communication? By a prankster? Yes, but it probably goes beyond a "prank." By someone who didn't know better? Possible, but he would likely have been the victim of that prank himself if that's the case. By someone with a speech impediment? No

Is the host country's specific language relevant? The men's native language? Only that they weren't the same and neither spoke the other's language.
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Can we say, for simplicity's sake, that the 13 late heroes were native speakers of English, while the host country's language was Swahili?

Was the book they learned the faulty phrase from:
mainly written in English? In Swahili? In some other language?
Was the book fiction? Non-Fiction? Relevant?
Did it contain occasional Swahili phrases to live up the story? Was one of the phrases suggested to mean "Where is the next bathroom, please" but in reality meant something like "I have a bomb and I'll take you hostage" or something else which suggested that the speaker was about to commit a violent crime?

Is it relevant who wrote the book? Did the author intend to cause trouble?

Is it relevant how they acquired the books? Did they just buy them in ordinary bookstores?
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Can we say, for simplicity's sake, that the 13 late heroes were native speakers of English, while the host country's language was Swahili? Sure.

Was the book they learned the faulty phrase from:
mainly written in English? In Swahili? Almost exactly half and half. In some other language?
Was the book fiction? Non-Fiction? this, I guess. Relevant?
Did it contain occasional Swahili phrases to live up the story? Was one of the phrases suggested to mean "Where is the next bathroom, please" but in reality meant something like "I have a bomb and I'll take you hostage" or something else which suggested that the speaker was about to commit a violent crime? Yes, except that that was pretty much the whole book. It was a phrasebook.

Is it relevant who wrote the book? Did the author intend to cause trouble?

Is it relevant how they acquired the books? Did they just buy them in ordinary bookstores?I don't even need to answer these. You got it.


*****SPOILER****

These 13 people bought a translation book for visiting Swahili speaking countries. However, the writer was either incompetent or malicious and the phrase for "Where is the bathroom" actually meant "I have a bomb and will take you hostage" or something to that effect. The people either shot the speakers dead in self defense or called the police who did the same thing. And then I made this lateral puzzle and set the record for most dead people in a lateral thinking puzzle, so I was happy.
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Reminds me of a commercial where the guy mixed up the phrase for "I need a doctor" with "I am a spy" (one was right above and the other right below the foreign phrase in the translation book). I don't even remember what the commercial was for.
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Oh God, now I want to break that record... well, maybe I have, as I've had puzzles about battles and plane crashes! There's a classic Monty Python sketch like this story, is that where you got the idea?
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Oh God, now I want to break that record... well, maybe I have, as I've had puzzles about battles and plane crashes! There's a classic Monty Python sketch like this story, is that where you got the idea? No. I hadn't even seen it until it was referenced above.

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